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Christopher N.
Posts: 657
Troy, Michigan, US
Webspinner wrote:
http://pics.livejournal.com/infamouslap … 047sw5.jpg
I really would like to know (and since I can't upload on mm right now) does this pic look cheap? No...actually I think it works well. But then I tend to have alot foot/shoe inagery in my photos as you well know ;-)
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bobby sargent
Posts: 4159
Deming, New Mexico, US
I like them either way. If you do not like shoes or heels then do not shoot them that way. Simple. bs
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Coarse Art
Posts: 3729
Lexington, Ohio, US
Enter the Devil's Advocate ... Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
It's another device, cliche, what-have-you, as well-loved as it tends to be. And it says usually says "cheap." And like most ready-made, easy and popular devices - such as trying to copy the editorial fashion of ten years ago - it either works or ends up looking cheap.
It could be argued that the advantage with camp is that when it works, it really works but when mimicking 'art' or old fashion, even the successes are pretty lame.
It all depends upon whether one prefers a wide, easy success window or tightrope.
Shoot what interests you and hope that others do the same.
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La Seine by the Hudson
Posts: 8587
New York, New York, US
Tom deL wrote:
Enter the Devil's Advocate ...
And like most ready-made, easy and popular devices - such as trying to copy the editorial fashion of ten years ago - it either works or ends up looking cheap.
It could be argued that the advantage with camp is that when it works, it really works but when mimicking 'art' or old fashion, even the successes are pretty lame.
It all depends upon whether one prefers a wide, easy success window or tightrope.
Shoot what interests you and hope that others do the same. He's alive. ;-)
You were pretty far off-base from the beginning with me, but I think you've made up your mind. So be it...
BTW to all. In one of those many "cliche" threads we get like 3 of per day, it was yesterday or the day before I'd said that as lame as cliches can be, there's no need to be truly ideologically against then. Same with this one. This is just one that's rarely mentioned and well-liked in a number of genres, but 9 times out of 10 puts my bullshit detector into full alert. There are good pictures made in spite of it. There are even some (not many) made because of it.
Most of the time, it's a device that people throw in because they think it reads "sexy." That's the very definition of a "cliche" that people are always referring to.
I hate many of the cliches that people use to immediately say "editorial fashion" without putting anything into the picture as well. (That's for Tom.)
The fact is, cliches make things a quick read. Also a forgettable read. Without them, pictures very often DO read slower, and not quite as universally. And I think they're remembered a little more.
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TroisCouleurs
Posts: 1021
Dublin, California, US
Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
What does your sensibility tell you? Nevermind what I say. I tend to agree with you 99% of the time but not in this one. Doesn't always have to be cheap if cliche presents ...
What do you think of that image?
![https://img-2006-11.photosight.ru/17/1769605.jpg]()
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La Seine by the Hudson
Posts: 8587
New York, New York, US
Not my favorite (and it's not just the shoes) but it's not horrible.
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lll
Posts: 12295
Seattle, Washington, US
Why do people go bare feet in clothed pictures? It really troubles me.
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TroisCouleurs
Posts: 1021
Dublin, California, US
TroisCouleurs wrote:
I tend to agree with you 99% of the time but not in this one. Doesn't always have to be cheap if cliche presents ... There was another one I do not seem to be capable to find right now ...
She is sitting on the couch nude, lighting a cigarette. Clothing is all over the floor. Her look and drops of sweat on her forehead clues on what was going on couple minutes ago. And her shoes are still on ...
This was one of the most sensual images I have seen.
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Daniel
Posts: 5169
Brooklyn, New York, US
I don't get the shoes thing either. I've never worn heels in my nudes.
(shrug)
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Glamour Boulevard
Posts: 8628
Sacramento, California, US
Kaos Beauty Klinik wrote:
Because sometimes the contrast between the natural and the constructed can be part of the allure of an image. No wonder I like your work so much 
So many see contrast only as light and dark.
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La Seine by the Hudson
Posts: 8587
New York, New York, US
Those are nice shoes. And a pretty girl. And she's naked. And it's not working.
BTW, as I said before, I'm not religious about this. I've seen instances when it works, and I'd probably do it myself at the right moment. The problem in my eyes is that lots and lots and lots of people do this by default all the time, and you heard the reasons why above. They like the look of women in high heels and they like the implications. It's a preference to them.
If that's the way they like it, so be it. It tends to set off my bullshit detector in the same way that a whole bunch of other cliches that people rant about tend to. But I know that this is one that a lot of people actually like.
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
mphot wrote:
I have never understood, perhaps I am naieve as to why so very many nude shots are not "Barefoot" Nudie shoots with long spiked heels look weird, maybe the models need a quick getaway and theres broken glass everywhere..?? Pretty feet can be expressive. Heels help soften the curveature of the hip & pop out the calf muscles.
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TroisCouleurs
Posts: 1021
Dublin, California, US
Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
The problem in my eyes is that lots and lots and lots of people do this by default all the time, and you heard the reasons why above. They like the look of women in high heels and they like the implications.... Why did I even read this topic [cry]????
Even very hardly I can imagine myself going out naked but not without my high heels ...lol....
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lll
Posts: 12295
Seattle, Washington, US
Please, no posting 18+ pictures in forum!
Leo - Moderator
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La Seine by the Hudson
Posts: 8587
New York, New York, US
TroisCouleurs wrote:
Why did I even read this topic [cry]????
Even very hardly I can even imagine myself going out naked but not without my high heels ...lol.... Oh don't cry! Smile. It's easy. :-)
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Coarse Art
Posts: 3729
Lexington, Ohio, US
Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
He's alive. ;-) Yes, thank you. Miracles of modern science and all of that.
Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
You were pretty far off-base from the beginning with me, but I think you've made up your mind. So be it... Surely I am being obtuse - can you enlighten me (off-baseness as well as what you think that you know of my mind). PM would be fine ...
Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
BTW to all. In one of those many "cliche" threads we get like 3 of per day, it was yesterday or the day before I'd said that as lame as cliches can be, there's no need to be truly ideologically against then. Same with this one. This is just one that's rarely mentioned and well-liked in a number of genres, but 9 times out of 10 puts my bullshit detector into full alert. There are good pictures made in spite of it. There are even some made because of it.
Most of the time, it's a device that people throw in because they think it reads "sexy." That's the very definition of a "cliche" that people are always referring to.
I hate many of the cliches that people use to immediately say "editorial fashion" without putting anything into the picture as well. (That's for Tom.) My point was that using those cliches is the safe walk. A failure is simply a tad less boring than success.
Marko Cecic-Karuzic wrote:
The fact is, cliches make things a quick read. Also a forgettable read. Without them, pictures very often DO read slower, and not quite as universally. And I think they're remembered a little more. You will see people doing things like 'Maxim Style' or 'W Style' and smacking themselves on the back for being so cutting edge. What they don't get is that cliche is precisely what Maxim (Playboy, Vogue, W, on and on) wants. That is what sells. Magazines don't care any more about quality photography than restaurant chains care about good food. They want predictable, comfortable cliches so's folks won't be frightened away from the goods that they exist to sell.
If magazine photography is your goal and you can be the one who defines the next cliche, great. Otherwise you are sort of stuck aping the latest cliche, eh?
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KS24
Posts: 563
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Christopher Ambler wrote:
![https://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h230/catiel08/cat_platz_fhm1-1.jpg]() I guess that tells everyone how I feel about it! 
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La Seine by the Hudson
Posts: 8587
New York, New York, US
Tom deL wrote:
You will see people doing things like 'Maxim Style' or 'W Style' and smacking themselves on the back for being so cutting edge. Much to my chagrin, the point that people sometimes miss in what I say and do is that I don't like or aspire to that, either.
Tom deL wrote:
What they don't get is that cliche is precisely what Maxim (Playboy, Vogue, W, on and on) wants. That is what sells. Magazines don't care any more about quality photography than restaurant chains care about good food. They want predictable, comfortable cliches so's folks won't be frightened away from the goods that they exist to sell. And so goes about half of the difficulties I have to deal with in day-to-day life.
Tom deL wrote:
If magazine photography is your goal and you can be the one who defines the next cliche, great. Otherwise you are sort of stuck aping the latest cliche, eh? That would be one way of looking at it, and while not inaccurate, it's not my preferred way of looking at it. Fortunately, the game still isn't over yet. :-)
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j-shooter
Posts: 1912
San Francisco, California, US
I believe artists who are original seers we owe to ourselves to be true to our own unique vision. Find that and do that. If you're called to nudes barefoot, with shoes, or whatever, just be true to your self.
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11987
Costa Mesa, California, US
mphot wrote:
I have never understood, perhaps I am naieve as to why so very many nude shots are not "Barefoot" Nudie shoots with long spiked heels look weird, maybe the models need a quick getaway and theres broken glass everywhere..?? Pretty feet can be expressive. 1. I want my models to be safe and as comfortable as possible and bare feet are often dangerious in my favorite locations.
2. Cold feet suck and end a session quicker than cold buns.
3. I HATE form nudes and want as much aboutthe model's personality in the nude imges i make as possible. Shoes are very much a reflection of the wearer.
4. Did I mention it's safer than stepping on sharp things in nature? Better balance too...granted i rarely use high heels.
5. I think feet are ugly
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Mark Reese Photography
Posts: 21622
Brandon, Florida, US
Mike Walker wrote:
5. I think feet are ugly You've never seen mine, have you Mike? Mine are just as smooth and soft as a baby's feet. LOL(those that know me understand the joke, I think).
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Jason McKendricks
Posts: 6025
Chico, California, US
I've shot them both ways...it really depends on the model, environment and what I'm trying to accomplish with the photo.
Women wear sexy shoes. Is this a big enough problem to warrant a thread about it?
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Class Act Photography
Posts: 6376
STUDIO CITY, California, US
mphot wrote:
I have never understood, perhaps I am naieve as to why so very many nude shots are not "Barefoot" Nudie shoots with long spiked heels look weird.... Huh?!? WHAT? how!!! (shakes head) thinks "what did he just say???"
Long red spiked heels are more beautiful than the colors of a rainbow,
a sunset in Hawaii, a cool ocean breeze, or the plaintive call of the nightingale.
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AndrewG
Posts: 5850
Mesa, Arizona, US
LanaV wrote:
I need all the help I can get ;-) Trust us.. you need no help in looking absolutely beautiful...
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Savvy1007
Posts: 796
So a model can say "I wasn't nude, I was wearing shoes!"
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Kimberley
Posts: 175
Brighton, Alabama, US
Eikona wrote:
And depending on the kind of shoe, it's just plain sexy. Again, as pointed out above, that's a matter of taste and opinion. I love bare feet in nudes, but I also love expensive, tasteful heels. I agree! x
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Bob Helm Photography
Posts: 18922
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US
It is a matter of taste, so there is no right or wrong, but in general in bed i prefer barefoot or in reclining poses barefoot. out of bed either or
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NovoCain
Posts: 192
Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada
mphot wrote:
Pretty feet can be expressive. Sure, if the feet are the focus of the shoot.
Speaking for myself only, the right shoes on a nude model is like strawberries, powdered sugar and syrup on pancakes - is just that little bit of visual accentuation that gives the subject matter a bit of extra appeal. Sure, looks great without, but looks just THAT much more appetizing with the garnish. 
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TroisCouleurs
Posts: 1021
Dublin, California, US
lll wrote:
Please, no posting 18+ pictures in forum!
Leo - Moderator Opps. My bad. I will remember this.
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TroisCouleurs
Posts: 1021
Dublin, California, US
Savvy1007 wrote:
So a model can say "I wasn't nude, I was wearing shoes!" Good one!
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Bob Bentley Photography
Posts: 15141
Westcliffe, Colorado, US
mphot wrote:
I have never understood, perhaps I am naieve as to why so very many nude shots are not "Barefoot" Nudie shoots with long spiked heels look weird, maybe the models need a quick getaway and theres broken glass everywhere..?? Pretty feet can be expressive. Yes. They need cowboy boots.
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
J n X Photography wrote:
heels give women a better posture and makes their rear ends look sexier and their legs longer (even when lying down) Exactly. Calf muscles look tighter, etc...
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Smak
Posts: 5
pw-gii photographics wrote:
Just let it go. Shoot what you like to shoot and let others shoot what they like to shoot. There's room here for everyone. I agree - totally. I hate it when everything needs be pigeonholed and categorized.
http://www.macsfocus.com/Jamie/jsep4.html
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Scott Nathan
Posts: 131
Los Angeles, California, US
Even if I'm shooting a pro tennis player in her tennis outfit. I'll put her in the tallest heels wardrobe has brought, then shoot it as a 3/4. Heels are key to a womans body looking it's best. This is irrespective of what she's wearing. Unless she's lying down, then it's just sexy.
Capische?
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LanaV
Posts: 213
Los Angeles, California, US
AndrewG wrote:
Trust us.. you need no help in looking absolutely beautiful... Why thank you Andrew, you just made my whole day ;-)
Lana
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