Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Shelli, by now you probably realized your not involved in a modeling site, you joined a zoo. At least most of the forums are a zoo. And you posted some things that hurt the feelings of most of the animals. You should go over to the little dispenser, stick in a quarter and get some pet feed. Bring it back over and feed a little bit to everyone and try not to get bit. You might start with that orangutan RBDesign because its way past feeding time and he sounds hungry.

lol... Thanks for the advice

Shyly wrote:

Woof!

Meow!

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Shelli, by now you probably realized your not involved in a modeling site, you joined a zoo. At least most of the forums are a zoo. And you posted some things that hurt the feelings of most of the animals. You should go over to the little dispenser, stick in a quarter and get some pet feed. Bring it back over and feed a little bit to everyone and try not to get bit. You might start with that orangutan RBDesign because its way past feeding time and he sounds hungry.

lol..thanks for the advice

Shyly wrote:

Woof!

I would have thought to hear some kind of cat snarl out of you.

urheartsdesire2 wrote:
I like when people are honest, and give constructive criticism.  People have been honest with me.  Hold my head straight, get a better photographer, MUA, work on facial expressions.  By them being honest with me this allowed me to know where I needed to make changes.  I call it making room for improvement.  If your not honest with someone they continue to think their work is ok.  When you know you can push them to do better. Letting them know where their mistakes are.  That's how people learn.  You can agree or disagree.

Go get a job as a roofer. Then I'll know how much you make.

Hair By Shelli wrote:

You obviously didn't understand what I was getting at hear. I wasn't implying that we be mean to people. I can handle some constructive criticism, which was not what you just gave. I am just at the beginning stages of my career as a fashion stylist, therefor I know I need to learn and grow, but to tell me that I need to give up is simply said out of spite because you didn't like what I said for some reason. You have to realize that there is a difference: an artist can improve on their work where as a model cannot grow 4 inches or become prettier (unless they go under the knife).

True, except a LOT of pro models aren't "pretty" either.  And there are plenty of shorter ones, depending upon what is being modeled.  When I watch one of those runway shows I see maybe 1-2 I consider to be pretty.

Doug Jantz wrote:

True, except a LOT of pro models aren't "pretty" either.

THAT'S for damn sure!

Melissa Lynnette wrote:

THAT'S for damn sure!

LMAO!!  It is much more than about being pretty.

Hair By Shelli wrote:

You obviously didn't understand what I was getting at hear. I wasn't implying that we be mean to people. I can handle some constructive criticism, which was not what you just gave. I am just at the beginning stages of my career as a fashion stylist, therefor I know I need to learn and grow, but to tell me that I need to give up is simply said out of spite because you didn't like what I said for some reason. You have to realize that there is a difference: an artist can improve on their work where as a model cannot grow 4 inches or become prettier (unless they go under the knife).

Honest with no subterfuge and no making fun of you at all:

1) one you are narrow minded so your ability to grow is limited.
2) there are 1000's of models out there that do not meet your specs that make a very decent income from full time modelling
3) hear is actually here.

RB

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

Go get a job as a roofer. Then I'll know how much you make.

Get a job as a bartender serving pina coladas in a wet bar with a hawaiin skirt on doing the jingle.  Then I will know how much you make.

urheartsdesire2 wrote:
I like when people are honest, and give constructive criticism.  People have been honest with me.  Hold my head straight, get a better photographer, MUA, work on facial expressions.  By them being honest with me this allowed me to know where I needed to make changes.  I call it making room for improvement.  If your not honest with someone they continue to think their work is ok.  When you know you can push them to do better. Letting them know where their mistakes are.  That's how people learn.  You can agree or disagree.

Yo, ifin uuu be critizizin uuu better make suurrrr that youu be critizzin rightly

RB

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Shelli, by now you probably realized your not involved in a modeling site, you joined a zoo. At least most of the forums are a zoo. And you posted some things that hurt the feelings of most of the animals. You should go over to the little dispenser, stick in a quarter and get some pet feed. Bring it back over and feed a little bit to everyone and try not to get bit. You might start with that orangutan RBDesign because its way past feeding time and he sounds hungry.

welcome to the jungle....

Lora wrote:
Critiques are rarely welcomed out of the blue. If I didn't ask for one, I probably don't care for it in the first place.

And some want to give it, but can't accept it in the forum.    So they bow out.

wishingtreephotography wrote:

welcome to the jungle....

It gets worse here all the time...


Name the artist

urheartsdesire2 wrote:

Get a job as a bartender serving pina coladas in a wet bar with a hawaiin skirt on doing the jingle.  Then I will know how much you make.

Damn urheartsdesire2, thats a great idea. I would love to get you drunk to find out what you're paying that guy down in TX to shoot you and how much you make being a model. Plus the bonus is we would find out that we loved one another and would want to get drunk every night of our lives. Whats a jingle. I had an uncle named urheartsdesire2, he was gay.

RBDesign wrote:

It gets worse here all the time...


Name the artist

Guns n Roses

Colin Rowe wrote:
The thing is, for the most part your right, there are some people who aren't meant to be models, they will find out someday and the sooner they do, the quicker they can move on with thier lives (who knows, maybe i'm one of them). 

Telling them out of the blue on a forum or thier profile won't really help though.  PM's are the best way, but honestly many are not willing to listen, why put yourself out to try and point something out to someone who doesn't want to hear it?  Even in the critique section when people ask for opinions they're probably often looking for encouragement, not critique.  So really, in the end, why bother, if someone asks, give them your honest opinion...

that being said i'm always happy for honest opinions and critiques, out of the blue or not..

1. Are you seriously suggesting this poor woman start PMSing to models that she thinks aren't any good. We'll be brushing aside strips of her flesh just to get out of the Mayhem forums with our lives. Are you crazy.

2. Get a real job.

3.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

Bob, that's so cute!

Lora wrote:
Critiques are rarely welcomed out of the blue. If I didn't ask for one, I probably don't care for it in the first place.

And Lora who is stunning, will know this isn't directed at her.  Regardless of how wonderful you look, or shoot photos for that matter, we all need thick skins out here.  If we deliver critiques they're likely better delivered in PM's, and they should balance good w/bad in the spirit of critique which isn't a put down session.

Lora wrote:

Bob, that's so cute!

God damn I love those little cartoony things. I copy everyone I see.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
God damn I love those little cartoony things. I copy everyone I see.

It's not animated like yours, but I like the shot. Nice concept, hot model. Awesome styling. That's the truth!

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

Damn urheartsdesire2, thats a great idea. I would love to get you drunk to find out what you're paying that guy down in TX to shoot you and how much you make being a model. Plus the bonus is we would find out that we loved one another and would want to get drunk every night of our lives. Whats a jingle. I had an uncle named urheartsdesire2, he was gay.

You still trying to find out how much I'm paying.  Damn Bob how could you still be stuck on that?  What I make as a model doesn't matter, but I will tell you I get mine.  If we found out we loved one another I would simply have to tell you to get a life cause you drink to damn much.  That's the jingle. Your uncles name was urheartsdesire2 that means he was happy ("GAY").  I'm happy for him.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

God damn I love those little cartoony things. I copy everyone I see.

one of my favs




Some much emo in so few pixels

RB

urheartsdesire2 wrote:

You still trying to find out how much I'm paying.  Damn Bob how could you still be stuck on that?  What I make as a model doesn't matter, but I will tell you I get mine.  If we found out we loved one another I would simply have to tell you to get a life cause you drink to damn much.  That's the jingle. Your uncles name was urheartsdesire2 that means he was happy ("GAY").  I'm happy for him.

How do you make money as a model if you are paying for photogs. I am so confused. I thought that Bob Randall wanted to know how much you are paying not how much you are making. F' it let us see the business plan for all of it.

RB

RBDesign wrote:
How do you make money as a model if you are paying for photogs. I am so confused. I thought that Bob Randall wanted to know how much you are paying not how much you are making. F' it let us see the business plan for all of it.

RB

He asked both?  How much do I make as a model, and how much I'm paying photog. There was a previous thread you may have missed out on.  It will work out fine.  Ummm I do work.  Hello!

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

Colin Rowe wrote:
The thing is, for the most part your right, there are some people who aren't meant to be models, they will find out someday and the sooner they do, the quicker they can move on with thier lives (who knows, maybe i'm one of them). 

Telling them out of the blue on a forum or thier profile won't really help though.  PM's are the best way, but honestly many are not willing to listen, why put yourself out to try and point something out to someone who doesn't want to hear it?  Even in the critique section when people ask for opinions they're probably often looking for encouragement, not critique.  So really, in the end, why bother, if someone asks, give them your honest opinion...

that being said i'm always happy for honest opinions and critiques, out of the blue or not..

1. Are you seriously suggesting this poor woman start PMSing to models that she thinks aren't any good. We'll be brushing aside strips of her flesh just to get out of the Mayhem forums with our lives. Are you crazy.

2. Get a real job.

3.

1. Based on what I see, that is what I think, I'm not suggesting anything, she or you can pm, tag, or do whatever you please as far as I care.  Though i'd say anyone who searches through this entire site to critique people via pm or not is a tad crazy, so i'm not sure where you're going there...

2.  No, who wants a real job anyways?

3. Nice smileys, and rating your points from 1-3...next time standard syllogistic form would be fun and then I can guess at the premises and use a strawman arugement...lol

Colin Rowe wrote:
3. Nice smileys, and rating your points from 1-3...next time standard syllogistic form would be fun and then I can guess at the premises and use a strawman arugement...lol

You had me to here and then you blew it. "arugement". I would have a least spell checked if I was gonna get all superior about this stuff.

And where in the world does syllogistic form of logic come in to play here. I've stated no case for either a major or minor premise and didn't even attempt to front a conclusion. I was just fuckin with ya.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

You had me to here and then you blew it. "arugement". I would have a least spell checked if I was gonna get all superior about this stuff.

And where in the world does syllogistic form of logic come in to play here. I've stated no case for either a major or minor premise and didn't even attempt to front a conclusion. I was just fuckin with ya.

Actually, I think he was just asking for his appetizer.  That's "arugula", right? 

-- rick

RBDesign wrote:
Honest with no subterfuge and no making fun of you at all:

1) one you are narrow minded so your ability to grow is limited.
2) there are 1000's of models out there that do not meet your specs that make a very decent income from full time modelling
3) hear is actually here.

RB

Actually, I am a very open minded person. If you believe that a certain model on HERE (thank you for correcting my grammer mistake, by the way) has potential, than by all means, be supportive, compliment them as much as your heart desires. I just have a problem with people that might give compliments that are insincere in order to be nice or to repay for a compliment given to them. I just want people to be honest, not to hurt people's feelings or dash their dreams. If you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all, unless of course, you are asked for your opinion.

Mikel Featherston wrote:
Go ahead, to each portfolio, and give them the cold hard truth. Start here: https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=2809

Tell her that she has no place in modelling. Tell her that the success she has actually had was not real.

Honesty:

I think you're a lump of shit for posting this.