Forums > General Industry > When meeting a model (Shake, Hug, Kiss)

Model

Kizzy

Posts: 12249

Tulsa, Oklahoma, US

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Whatever you do meeting any person with the same familiarity level.  Some you nod to, others get a hug. 

After a shoot, depending on how it went, I usually do hug the model or she hugs me.  Again, depends on comfort or discomfort level.

There aren't any rules about this and photo school had nothing to say about it.

Now I'm old and fat and ugly, so if the determiner is how cute the photographer is, I should be waving at the models, but I like the affirmation that the shoot was comfortable and things went well as much as the next guy.  If the model seems reluctant...well, I guess I'd have to back off.

Interesting question.

But you know, there's something really nice about a pair of boobies pushed against one's chest.  Or back.

-Don

Actually, the old, fat, ugly ones get the biggest hugs coz they are usually the nicest!  Of course, I haven't ever personally worked with anyone with that description...ALL of the photographers I have worked with have been gorgeous!   ;-)

Oct 07 06 09:55 am Link

Photographer

Frank McAdam

Posts: 2222

New York, New York, US

In NYC, a handshake is always best when first meeting a new model.  Always keep it professional -- it's a business meeting, not a date -- and act accordingly.

Oct 07 06 10:06 am Link

Model

Sandra

Posts: 830

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I say a handshake is always good... can never go wrong with that...

From the moment she or he walks in the door... between the model and photographer trust and comfort should be establishing itself.


Just cus you hug me doesnt mean I am all of a sudden going to think to myself wow I feel more trust and comfort... lol

hehe

just my opinion


*s

Oct 07 06 10:11 am Link

Photographer

Scott Einuis

Posts: 337

New York, New York, US

Gigi Model wrote:
once i met with a photog and when he firsst met me, to tinroduce himself he tried to have sex with me. I said no. he said sorry he was just so happy to see me. i said still it was not the way i do things. so we had the shoot

Why would you continue this shoot?

Oct 07 06 10:14 am Link

Photographer

Eric Haywood

Posts: 8247

Jim Ball wrote:
I reserve my hugs for my loved ones.  Hugging is an intimate act.  I wouldn't hug anyone in the office where I work. (Inappropriate as hell, and a bucket of trouble if unwelcomed by the huggee)  How can hugging a model in the studio or on location be appropriate?  It's just another work environment, and the model is in the role of either co-worker or employee.

Exactly what I was thinking.  I always begin and end with handshakes.  Better to err on the side of caution than go in for a hug and have the model awkwardly pull back, put her hand on your chest to stop you, and say "Um, what are you doing?"

But whatever happens, do NOT start things off by attempting to stick a folded dollar bill in the model's thong.  Trust me, they HATE that...

Oct 07 06 10:14 am Link

Photographer

wishingtree photography

Posts: 1042

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

JM Dean wrote:

That was my hope wink. But actually I’m old enough to be most models father. I usually meet with a handshake and end with a hug after they find out I’m harmless smile

ditto.   i rarely state things absolutely, but i believe a handshake is the right way to start a shoot with a new model you have never met.  usually the shoot ends with a hug, but that is a mutual thing.  it is always best if the photographer does not initiate anything that is unwanted!

Oct 07 06 10:21 am Link

Photographer

Mark Reese Photography

Posts: 21622

Brandon, Florida, US

Kizzy  wrote:

Actually, the old, fat, ugly ones get the biggest hugs coz they are usually the nicest!  Of course, I haven't ever personally worked with anyone with that description...ALL of the photographers I have worked with have been gorgeous!   ;-)

So THAT'S why you won't shoot with me huh? Just 'cause i'm not "GORGEOUS!" (Just so everyone knows, this is said with tongue firmly planted in cheek).

Oct 07 06 10:25 am Link

Photographer

johnkphotography

Posts: 78

New York, New York, US

Shoots are business, handshakes all around.  If I shoot friends then they might get a hug.  But otherwise its all business.  I cant remember the last business meeting that I saw where all the execs gave each other big hugs at the end of the meeting.

Oct 07 06 10:32 am Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

I shake their hands. 



Make sure to squeeze her hand very, very hard.  How hard you squeeze is directly related to the size of your... well, y'know... and you want to send the right message.  Speak very loudly, too, and always in sports anecdotes.  It's a sign of virility.  She'll swoon.  On the shoot, only give directions in a huddle.  Also, give lots of high fives and when she gets a pose right, slap her on the ass and shout "Way to show 'em how it's done!!"  I've found it helpful to carry a clipboard when doing this. 

You'll fairly ooze machismo.  She won't know what to do with herself.  If you can't bag her that way then you have a serious problem... probably something to do with the size of your car (not big enough).


Or you could, y'know, treat it like the business endeavor that it is and shake her hand the way you would any other person.  I find it difficult to believe that she'd find your professionalism insulting...

Oct 07 06 10:42 am Link

Model

Kelly Kooper

Posts: 1240

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

I don't have a problem with any of the above options. I don't get too worried about it but I can see how it could be a problem with the wrong girl. Handshakes are safest until you get to knoe the person better. You can be sure you won't offend them upfront with a handshake and then you can get an idea of who they are and judge whether or not a hug or kiss on the cheek is ok by them.

Oct 07 06 11:04 am Link

Photographer

Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Eric Haywood wrote:
Better to err on the side of caution than go in for a hug and have the model awkwardly pull back, put her hand on your chest to stop you, and say "Um, what are you doing?"

Then you can put your own hand on your chest and start shouting "Here comes the big one! I'm coming home, Elizabeth!

Then she'd feel guilty!

Oct 07 06 12:18 pm Link

Photographer

Kas_

Posts: 11110

Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada

I appreciate the honest comments, it's what I was thinking and leaning towards anyways.  The uh...forum troll comments not so much lol...but keep em coming.  Is it true about the shirt and 1000 posts?

Hurray for being 1% there, 990 to go ='(

Oct 07 06 01:28 pm Link

Photographer

Moraxian

Posts: 2607

Germantown, Maryland, US

When I first meet up with a model, I usually shake hands (although it is up to her) as well as shake hands with her escort.

At the end of the shoot, it's usually hugs all around.  It's rare that a model doesn't give me a hug when we're done.  smile  We have fun at my shoots.

Oct 07 06 01:39 pm Link

Photographer

Jon Pike Photography

Posts: 6

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Vestige wrote:
I think a nice handshake is best. Instead of coming across and friendly, a hug definitely might come across as sexual, even though you've stated that that's not what you want. Or it might make you come off as a bit strange and socially awkward. I know I've felt awkward when I was hugged by a someone I was just meeting and thinking: "Man, what's this person's problem? Are they drunk or something?"

But a friendly smile and a "Hey! Nice to meet ya!" while shaking a model's hand should help the friendly environment you want to create

The only time I was actually hugged by a stranger they *were* drunk.

Oct 07 06 01:44 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45475

San Juan Bautista, California, US

A handshake is safe and professional.  After you get to know her better, say after the first shoot or second ... then go for the hug.  You seem like you are a really nice guy, but there is always someone who will make more out of your intentions even when it is just a hug.  When you just meet someone, hold back enough so that you don't come accross as overly friendly ... or creepy.

I am also a photographer who shoots weddings, and I would NEVER hug the bride (or groom, LOL) when I "first" meet them.  But after they hire me, it has happened that if they hire me, we do an engagement shoot, and we get to know each other pretty well ... by the time the wedding is over, I will most likely be giving the bride a hug, and even the groom in cases where he seems confortable hugging the guys too. 

If you are not sure, then don't hug.  I watch Jay Leno on the Tonight Show!  He sometimes hugs his guests, both female and male ... depending on the comfort level or how well he knows the guest.  He may even give some female guests a kiss on the cheek.  Otherwise it's a handshake.  Go with your instinct and how well you know them.

Oct 07 06 01:48 pm Link

Photographer

C R Photography

Posts: 3594

Pleasanton, California, US

lavive wrote:
When meeting a model (Shake, Hug, Kiss)

I shake until the crack wears off and the Jack Daniles kicks in wink

Oct 07 06 01:51 pm Link

Photographer

J & X Photography

Posts: 3767

Arlington, Virginia, US

I do the old Atlanta Falcons "Bird" dance....it always a great ice breaker!

Oct 07 06 01:54 pm Link

Photographer

SKPhoto

Posts: 25784

Newark, California, US

Of course what really sucks is when you move in for the handshake and they move in for the hug and depending on your heights you either get  finger in the bellybutton or boob grab.

smile

Oct 07 06 02:02 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

Am I the only one - this seems like such an obvious thing to me....

You shake hands when meeting someone new. It doesn't matter if they are a new model, or whatever....

Affection (kisses, hugs), evolves based on the relationship between two people. It's just way too obnoxious and fake hollyweird, to greet a new person with a kiss or hug..

I think the reason why people often depart a shoot with a hug, is because the photographer/model relationship can be more intimate and can evolve a little faster, than a typical business relationship. Kind of like the hairdresser/client, or the masseause/client, or therapist/client.

John

Oct 07 06 02:04 pm Link

Photographer

j-shooter

Posts: 1912

San Francisco, California, US

I don't touch at all. Extending your hand for a shake is actually a sign of your insecurity.

I start with just a smile and friendly chat. Offer water or food. Talk about the shoot and get started by looking at what the model has brought to the set.

But at the end of the shoot we (at the very least) give each other a real nice hug:)

Oct 07 06 02:06 pm Link

Photographer

C R Photography

Posts: 3594

Pleasanton, California, US

SKPhoto wrote:
you either get  finger in the bellybutton or boob grab.

How does a boob grab suck?.. wink

Oct 07 06 02:06 pm Link

Photographer

Rafa Andreu

Posts: 661

Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain

Well, I think it depends on where you are, I don't know if you can generalize how to start. At least in Europe depends on the country how you say hi, and it depends on where the model's are from, where you are from... In my case depends on the chemistry and my mood that day, I just try to be very polite and nice in the way I talk to the model and to the whole team, so the way I say hi or goodbye comes to a secondary level. But also depends on your personality, the kind of images you want to get, etc.
I normally don't hug unless they hug me after the shoot, just two kisses and that's it, you can be warm enough with your words.

Oct 07 06 02:17 pm Link

Model

KAT-SUI

Posts: 67

San Francisco, California, US

handshake it is smile

Oct 07 06 02:21 pm Link

Photographer

Hecates_illusion

Posts: 281

Columbus, Ohio, US

Some people hate to be touched. Its hard to know that when you are just meeting someone new. It depends on the model for me.

Oct 07 06 02:24 pm Link

Photographer

Miles Chandler

Posts: 647

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

I don't touch a new model AT ALL unless she initiates it, or until I've asked and been given permission. When somebody's going to be modelling for you, let them set the comfort level.. if they're a friend, it's different, but it's no excuse to say that you're trying to create a comfortable feeling. They'll touch you if they feel like it, right?

Oct 07 06 02:27 pm Link

Photographer

S

Posts: 21678

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

We've usually talked enough by the time we shoot that we already have a sense of familiarity with each other.  Even so, I always offer a handshake.  (I generally try not to enter people's personal space without invitation.)  More often than not the model ignores that and gives me a big hug.

Oct 07 06 02:31 pm Link

Photographer

JT Hodges

Posts: 2191

Austin, Texas, US

lavive wrote:
Well it's late at night, and I'm looking foward to shooting with a few models over the weekend and beginning of the week, provided I dont get weighed down by my classes (gogo BScBiol) and it got me thinking.  The models I have dealt with have all been friends or people I know through friends, and when we first meet for the first time or for a shoot I usually give them a hug.

Now, for someone I didn't know, in the interest of being professional I would probably opt out for the hand shake.  But, from a models point of view, what I want to create is an atmosphere of trust and comfort, and the hand shake comes off as strict, formal and organized, and thats not necessarily what I want to portray in the photos.  A hug on the other hand through the physical contact and embracing, creates that relaxed, warm atmosphere.  The more comfortable the model is with me, the better the photos will turn out, it's about creating that trust, and comfort.  Kiss?  Meh, out of the question haha, I just put that in there so someone would read my thread haha.

I think im cute lol... or at least that's what I tell myself in the mirror, it's not meant so allude to anything sexual, but to break the ice and discomfort some may feel when working with someone new.

So my question to the all wise knowing MM community, what do you do, expect, or think about it?  When you first meet a new model/photographer hand shake, hug?  Comments, concerns...  Happy discussions!

Sex is always a good ice-breaker, and helps to foster a bond between the model and photographer. wink

Oct 07 06 02:34 pm Link

Model

Naomi M

Posts: 53

Jackson, Alabama, US

Frank McAdam wrote:
A handshake is always best, Always keep it professional -- it's a business meeting, not a date -- and act accordingly.

Oct 07 06 02:38 pm Link

Photographer

Marshall Arts

Posts: 621

Los Angeles, California, US

Yep...it's all about chemistry.  I've done all three and then some but only when it was initiated by the model.  ;-)

Oct 07 06 02:39 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

C R Photography wrote:
How does a boob grab suck?.. wink

Well, if he's got boobs to grab, I'd say that's certainly a problem...

Oct 07 06 03:07 pm Link

Model

Brandy

Posts: 1353

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

To me a handshake at the beginning is going to earn my trust more than a hug... you definitley aren't going to get any reciprocation from me if you hug me from the get go.

At the end, a quick friendly hug is fine... do not hold on to me like you're my mother or boyfriend though...

Oct 07 06 03:16 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

Thuy Anh wrote:
I meet with mine in a Coffee Shop at any time before 7:00pm.  smile  It's a public atmosphere, relaxed, and we can sit down to some nice coffee as we go over the papers and the details for the shoot! smile  I start with a firm handshake and I am a pretty tiny lady so I have my bf close by somewhere for safety for myself.  I do not give hugs because I'm not a very open person when you first meet me, I'm friendly but I keep my distance until I know more about them.  I stay pretty professional and keep everything to business.

Ahhh...I was wondering who that strange guy staring at us through the binoculars and talking into a walkie-talkie was smile I thought the IRS had finally caught onto me. I'm sure glad I didn't opt for the hug greeting. Whew.

Oct 07 06 03:23 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

Frank McAdam wrote:
In NYC, a handshake is always best when first meeting a new model.  Always keep it professional -- it's a business meeting, not a date -- and act accordingly.

I think this might be my problem. I give a handshake on a date. But since I usually buy the models dinner or at least a coffee before our shoots, I expect more. And God forbid they order an extra shot. *okay...sarcasm over* smile

Oct 07 06 03:26 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

INever wrote:
I don't touch at all. Extending your hand for a shake is actually a sign of your insecurity.

I used that line on my last job interview. I don't understand why I didn't get it?!

Oct 07 06 03:28 pm Link

Photographer

Phil Edelstein

Posts: 663

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

shake the first time you meet the model. On a shoot that goes well, usually a hug will end the shoot (always initiated by the model.)

If your pics were good, a hug starts the next shoot smile

Oct 07 06 03:35 pm Link

Photographer

Vivus Hussein Denuo

Posts: 64211

New York, New York, US

There's no one formula that's right for all occasions.  With a new model, I shake hands as a friendly gesture...not too distant, not to close.  After a few shoots, it's usually a hug and/or a cheek kiss.  But it depends on the chemistry.  I get along instantly with some models.  Others seem distant, no matter how many shoots.

Oct 07 06 03:36 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45475

San Juan Bautista, California, US

John Allan wrote:
Am I the only one - this seems like such an obvious thing to me....

You shake hands when meeting someone new. It doesn't matter if they are a new model, or whatever....

Affection (kisses, hugs), evolves based on the relationship between two people. It's just way too obnoxious and fake hollyweird, to greet a new person with a kiss or hug..

I think the reason why people often depart a shoot with a hug, is because the photographer/model relationship can be more intimate and can evolve a little faster, than a typical business relationship. Kind of like the hairdresser/client, or the masseause/client, or therapist/client.

John

Hey John,  As another Californian, I completely agree with you!  Hugs with people you've "just met" is far too Hollyweird unless your Dr Phil or something.

Oct 07 06 05:10 pm Link

Photographer

photosbydmp

Posts: 3808

Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia

1st time a handskake, 2nd time a hug ,3rd time bed , no seriously i seem to find that 9 times out of 10 a hug is actually expected on photoshots, in the past i offered my hand but usually just found it got grabbed and i was then pullled into a hug, but hey who is complaining ,lol, photoshoots that work should revolve about being comfortable with those involved.

Oct 07 06 05:19 pm Link

Model

Kizzy

Posts: 12249

Tulsa, Oklahoma, US

Mark Reese Photography wrote:

So THAT'S why you won't shoot with me huh? Just 'cause i'm not "GORGEOUS!" (Just so everyone knows, this is said with tongue firmly planted in cheek).

I said that coz so many of them I worked with are on here...just trying to get brownie points!  LOL

Oct 07 06 06:41 pm Link

Photographer

Tied And Taped

Posts: 4735

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I say...cut to the chase.  Start with sex, then shoot.

Just kidding.

Actually, I do handshakes, unless the model moves for a hug first.

Oct 07 06 06:47 pm Link