Jessalyn_54 wrote:
if she states in her profile that she has tattoos and piercings then how does that information become outdated? It's not like "I have long hair" and then you have short hair.

She fully discloses that information in her profile so that is the photographers fault for not reading it.

and regarding me not showing images of my nipple rings you say that you wont work with someone who wont display images related to the style they are working in, well what style is that? I would say that images displaying nipples with piercings would either be artistic nudes or bondage, neither of which is my style. therefore I have no need to display them.

You are either privvy too info I missed, or do not have, or you are guessing, either way, it makes no difference to me.

Again on your nipples & rings, if you do not work those styles, what the heck are you bringing it up for ? (never mind answering as I was only using them as an example)  I do not particularly care what styles you do or do not work in, the original poster obviously has such things that are visible in styles she works in, I will not explain any more as it is all pretty obvious.

gregausit wrote:
You are either privvy too info I missed, or do not have, or you are guessing, either way, it makes no difference to me.

are you just not going to her profile?

it says:

"And yes, I have 2 tattoos. One on my hip and one on the back of my neck. I have my nose/belly button/tongue pierced. If you do not want the piercings to show, I can take them out for the shoot."

Jessalyn_54 wrote:
are you just not going to her profile?

it says:

"And yes, I have 2 tattoos. One on my hip and one on the back of my neck. I have my nose/belly button/tongue pierced. If you do not want the piercings to show, I can take them out for the shoot."

I'm guessing she wisely added that to her profile after this incident to prevent further miscommunication.

No it wasn't stated very diplomatically and I didn't personally like that he seemed to be scolding her for mutilating her body. I happen to think body art is an adornment. But it's no more offensive than a model walking into an agency and being told her ass is too large for the catalog project.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
I'm guessing she wisely added that to her profile after this incident to prevent further miscommunication.

No it wasn't stated very diplomatically and I didn't personally like that he seemed to be scolding her for mutilating her body. I happen to think body art is an adornment. But it's no more offensive than a model walking into an agency and being told her ass is too large for the catalog project.

I did state in one of my earlier posts "this is assuming that you had this information available during negotiations" so I know she could have added it after the fact but I have been working under the assumption that she had it there the whole time. And I seem to remember viewing her port a week or 2 ago and seeing it there but I could be wrong

Lohkee wrote:
A lot of people are calling the photographer judgmental. Sounds pretty judgmental to me. Ya just gotta love the irony of it all.

O the pain,  the agony

Ironic how much suffering some words about pins and needles and ink and blood o my.

Probably hurts a lot more than the piercings or the ink stains ever did.

Can't iron out those ironic wrinkles with logic,  it just doesnt mesh.

Alisha B wrote:
I have yet to encounter any model represented by a reputable land-based agency that has piercings or tattoos.

First, a disclaimer:  I don't personally like tattoos or piercings.

That said . . . .

His experience with "reputable land-based agency" models must not be very great.  I just did a search througha large database of commercial models, and found that 11% of them had tattoos, and 13% had piercings.

Agencies don't like tatoos and piercings any more than I do, but they are a fact of contemporary life, and don't necessarily prohibit a model from doing mainstream client work.

Alisha B wrote:

I dunno... I just think he should have stated it better.

People waste far too much time being offended.  In the grand scheme that life is, do you really care what they think?

Alisha B wrote:
Ok so I just an email back from him about what I said about covering them up/taking out piercings and this was his reply:

Alisha, the best solution for me to tattoos, and piercings, is to find models that don't have them. I want to photography only models that I can recommend to others based upon their behavior and abilities. I can not, in good conscious, recommend a model with tattoos, and piercings, to others. Good models take care of their appearance; and that care usually begins with skin care. I need models that could work as "main stream" models if they cared to. And, I have yet to encounter any model represented by a reputable land-based agency that has piercings or tattoos. Unfortunately, piercings and tattoos have become all to common with models on OMP and MM.

I am not comfortable talking with someone that has a pin through their tongue. I want to remove it every they open their mouth and I can see it. And, my wife also finds it to be gross. I was downtown when a fellow hit on me for some money to buy some food. He had a pin in his tongue. I said, "You have money to pay someone to put a pin through your tongue, but you have no money for food! That makes no sense. Take the pin out and I will give you $20.00". To my surprise, he took out the pin and threw it in the trash -- I guess he was hungry. But, that illustrates how I feel about piercings; and especially pins through a tongue. To me, it demonstrates a lake of self-respect -- and respect for one's own body.

I had the same experience with another model recently. I scheduled a shoot before I discovered that she had a piercing in her nose. She said that the pin could be removed (she now discloses her piercings, on her profile, and states that they can be removed). Yet, shortly before the shoot she started arguing that she didn't want to remove the pin and became adamant about it; as if it would take something away from her "looks". Thus, I had to cancel that shoot.

I have been working with models for over 20 years. I have elected to cancel only three scheduled shoots during that time; two for piercings and tattoos, and one because of a boyfriend. In the case of the boyfriend, it was Holly Dorough from Atalia, AL. She went on to become the Playmate for April of this year. She informed me at the last minute that her boyfriend was coming with her (in addition to her parents), that he was also a model, and that he would be bringing his wardrobe. I had never seen a photo of him. Well, he was not a model. And, he was covered with tattoos. They split not long after that, even though they were engaged. She probably discovered that she couldn't drag her boyfriend along with her as she pursued her modeling ambitions -- and she was ambitious.

You seem to be someone that I would have enjoyed working with. But, tattoos and piercings are a problem for me; even if they are hidden during our shoot. I hope that you can understand. I need models that have clear, beautiful, skin -- that could be signed by a reputable land-based agency -- and could work in the "main stream" if they desired to. To me, for a model to have tattoos, or piercings, and them conceal them represents a lack of full disclosure. It is a minor case of mis-representation. Therefore, I would prefer that any model that I photographed with tattoos not have them covered. It is not like changing makeup, because makeup is not permanent -- and not an integral part of the model. It is more like a model saying that she weighs 140 lbs. when she actually weighs 150 lbs.; even though it is easier to loose 10 lbs. than to get rid of a tattoo.

Wow is all I can say to that.

Alisha B wrote:
Ok so I just an email back from him about what I said about covering them up/taking out piercings and this was his reply:

Alisha, the best solution for me to tattoos, and piercings, is to find models that don't have them. I want to photography only models that I can recommend to others based upon their behavior and abilities. I can not, in good conscious, recommend a model with tattoos, and piercings, to others. Good models take care of their appearance; and that care usually begins with skin care. I need models that could work as "main stream" models if they cared to. And, I have yet to encounter any model represented by a reputable land-based agency that has piercings or tattoos. Unfortunately, piercings and tattoos have become all to common with models on OMP and MM.

I am not comfortable talking with someone that has a pin through their tongue. I want to remove it every they open their mouth and I can see it. And, my wife also finds it to be gross. I was downtown when a fellow hit on me for some money to buy some food. He had a pin in his tongue. I said, "You have money to pay someone to put a pin through your tongue, but you have no money for food! That makes no sense. Take the pin out and I will give you $20.00". To my surprise, he took out the pin and threw it in the trash -- I guess he was hungry. But, that illustrates how I feel about piercings; and especially pins through a tongue. To me, it demonstrates a lake of self-respect -- and respect for one's own body.

I had the same experience with another model recently. I scheduled a shoot before I discovered that she had a piercing in her nose. She said that the pin could be removed (she now discloses her piercings, on her profile, and states that they can be removed). Yet, shortly before the shoot she started arguing that she didn't want to remove the pin and became adamant about it; as if it would take something away from her "looks". Thus, I had to cancel that shoot.

I have been working with models for over 20 years. I have elected to cancel only three scheduled shoots during that time; two for piercings and tattoos, and one because of a boyfriend. In the case of the boyfriend, it was Holly Dorough from Atalia, AL. She went on to become the Playmate for April of this year. She informed me at the last minute that her boyfriend was coming with her (in addition to her parents), that he was also a model, and that he would be bringing his wardrobe. I had never seen a photo of him. Well, he was not a model. And, he was covered with tattoos. They split not long after that, even though they were engaged. She probably discovered that she couldn't drag her boyfriend along with her as she pursued her modeling ambitions -- and she was ambitious.

You seem to be someone that I would have enjoyed working with. But, tattoos and piercings are a problem for me; even if they are hidden during our shoot. I hope that you can understand. I need models that have clear, beautiful, skin -- that could be signed by a reputable land-based agency -- and could work in the "main stream" if they desired to. To me, for a model to have tattoos, or piercings, and them conceal them represents a lack of full disclosure. It is a minor case of mis-representation. Therefore, I would prefer that any model that I photographed with tattoos not have them covered. It is not like changing makeup, because makeup is not permanent -- and not an integral part of the model. It is more like a model saying that she weighs 140 lbs. when she actually weighs 150 lbs.; even though it is easier to loose 10 lbs. than to get rid of a tattoo.

I can't believe this guy. Why does he feel he needs to say all of this to you? wasn't "I'm not going to shoot with you" enough? there was no need to carry this on.

I relate this to me finding out that a photographer is a strict conservative catholic. That's not something he discloses on his profile and then I find out so I cancel our shoot. I could have just said "I found out you were a strict conservative catholic so I am no longer wanting to shoot with you." or I COULD take it one step further and write him an essay on why I think it's a terrible life choice to be what he is.

obviously being a strict conservative catholic has nothing to do with how our pictures will come out (whereas a tattoo or piercing will) but what I'm trying to point out is that he could have left it at "no more photoshoot" but he instead took it too far.

shame on him and I am sorry you are having to deal with such an ass.

Alisha B wrote:
Ok so I just an email back from him about what I said about covering them up/taking out piercings and this was his reply:

Alisha, the best solution for me to tattoos, and piercings, is to find models that don't have them. I want to photography only models that I can recommend to others based upon their behavior and abilities. I can not, in good conscious, recommend a model with tattoos, and piercings, to others. Good models take care of their appearance; and that care usually begins with skin care. I need models that could work as "main stream" models if they cared to. And, I have yet to encounter any model represented by a reputable land-based agency that has piercings or tattoos. Unfortunately, piercings and tattoos have become all to common with models on OMP and MM.

I am not comfortable talking with someone that has a pin through their tongue. I want to remove it every they open their mouth and I can see it. And, my wife also finds it to be gross. I was downtown when a fellow hit on me for some money to buy some food. He had a pin in his tongue. I said, "You have money to pay someone to put a pin through your tongue, but you have no money for food! That makes no sense. Take the pin out and I will give you $20.00". To my surprise, he took out the pin and threw it in the trash -- I guess he was hungry. But, that illustrates how I feel about piercings; and especially pins through a tongue. To me, it demonstrates a lake of self-respect -- and respect for one's own body.

I had the same experience with another model recently. I scheduled a shoot before I discovered that she had a piercing in her nose. She said that the pin could be removed (she now discloses her piercings, on her profile, and states that they can be removed). Yet, shortly before the shoot she started arguing that she didn't want to remove the pin and became adamant about it; as if it would take something away from her "looks". Thus, I had to cancel that shoot.

I have been working with models for over 20 years. I have elected to cancel only three scheduled shoots during that time; two for piercings and tattoos, and one because of a boyfriend. In the case of the boyfriend, it was Holly Dorough from Atalia, AL. She went on to become the Playmate for April of this year. She informed me at the last minute that her boyfriend was coming with her (in addition to her parents), that he was also a model, and that he would be bringing his wardrobe. I had never seen a photo of him. Well, he was not a model. And, he was covered with tattoos. They split not long after that, even though they were engaged. She probably discovered that she couldn't drag her boyfriend along with her as she pursued her modeling ambitions -- and she was ambitious.

You seem to be someone that I would have enjoyed working with. But, tattoos and piercings are a problem for me; even if they are hidden during our shoot. I hope that you can understand. I need models that have clear, beautiful, skin -- that could be signed by a reputable land-based agency -- and could work in the "main stream" if they desired to. To me, for a model to have tattoos, or piercings, and them conceal them represents a lack of full disclosure. It is a minor case of mis-representation. Therefore, I would prefer that any model that I photographed with tattoos not have them covered. It is not like changing makeup, because makeup is not permanent -- and not an integral part of the model. It is more like a model saying that she weighs 140 lbs. when she actually weighs 150 lbs.; even though it is easier to loose 10 lbs. than to get rid of a tattoo.

I think this garbage about agencies is a way to deflect possible accusations of being prejudice.  The guy is simply a stuffed shirt.  Proof of that is this ridiculous need to yank the "pin" from someone's tongue if they have one while talking to him.  The guy's a tool. And if he's reading this thread, YEAH, I CALLED YOU A TOOL!!  Seriously dude, if you don't like tatoos and piercings, just say you don't like them and won't shoot them.  You don't need to lecture those people on how they are mangling their bodies.  Wouldn't surprise me one bit if your wife actually finds them exciting and would want one herself if she wasn't so worried that you'd divorce her because she's decided to destory herself.

Jessalyn_54 wrote:
I have my nipples pierced but I'm not going to go and post a photo of my nipples.

That's OK Jessalyn, send me the photos and I'll post them for ya.
I like to find win/win solutions whenever possible. ;-)

CO Model Amber wrote:
Does he not know how many main stream FAMOUS models have tats and pins :Laughing: he doesn't seem to be up on things in this age.

he must have never heard of Omahyra Mota, what a hottie!

CO Model Amber wrote:
Does he not know how many main stream FAMOUS models have tats and pins :Laughing: he doesn't seem to be up on things in this age.

yea thats what I was thinking