Cspine wrote:
I discriminate against illiterate transgendered homosexual eskimo dwarfs. I'd feel uncomfortable sharing a drinking fountain with one, they should have their own.







-kidding-

Can I just say that I love you?

FemmeArt wrote:
I just wonder why that is?  Heck, even my portfolio speaks to this trend, but certainly not intentionally.

Are you racist? Do you discriminate against black people?

StarlaMeris wrote:
Can I just say that I love you?

edited crude comment

Cspine wrote:
I discriminate against illiterate transgendered homosexual eskimo dwarfs. I'd feel uncomfortable sharing a drinking fountain with one, they should have their own.







-kidding-

They're illiterate, so would have a tough time reading the signs. I guess they'll get the point when the fountains are 2 feet off the ground. And that water better be coooollllddd.

Cspine wrote:
Are you racist? Do you discriminate against black people?

This point is kind of valid. What are you talking about? Are you saying that because you don't have a page full of black models, that you are following this trend of discrimination in the modeling industry?

Come on, why did you start this thread? So what you don't have many black models in your MM port. If you did, say have a page full of black models would that in turn make you racist against all those Asian, and Native American models I don't see on your page?

This thread is a borderline excercise in silliness.

FemmeArt wrote:
I'm a black photographer and model.  I can definitely tell you that it is much tougher for black models to find work.  I just wonder why that is?  Heck, even my portfolio speaks to this trend, but certainly not intentionally.

Well, American society (and this is a major generalization) views white features as being attractive. Even many of the famous black models have fairly "white" shaped faces and certainly don't have the darkest skin possible.

T H Taylor wrote:
This site is ladened with racist people (much like the world)... the difference is:  These ignorant bastards have the luxery of hiding behind the veil of the internet and, are too chicken sh*t to state their narrow mindedness to people of colour face to face.
Racism has also become more palitable to the general populace because it has been re-shaped and twisted into a form of "Patriotism."

Next time I see an illiterate transgendered homosexual eskimo dwarf, I'm gonna kick him in his little nuts.

God fukin bless America.

FemmeArt wrote:
I'm a black photographer and model.  I can definitely tell you that it is much tougher for black models to find work.  I just wonder why that is?  Heck, even my portfolio speaks to this trend, but certainly not intentionally.

Take the first step and shoot more black models.  I discriminate against stupidity in all races.

FemmeArt wrote:
Do photographers discriminate against black models?

Do black models discriminate against white photographers? That's just as valid a question and from my own personal experience is even more valid. I've had a number of black models initiate contact with me and after they learned I'm white I never hear from them again. I'm located in the metro Atlanta area and with a more than 50% black population, so why are 90% of the ladies who choose to shoot with me non black? I'm a very competent retired pro photographer with a good reputation and an international publication/exhibition history, so isn't that 'model' discrimination?

Cspine wrote:
Next time I see an illiterate transgendered homosexual eskimo dwarf, I'm gonna kick him in his little nuts.

God fukin bless America.

Oh shit! I have never felt the urge to laugh at any of you before! Even during that Amber Dean craziness, but damn. That shit is funny!

Beach Photography wrote:
I've never dated a black woman. I've never shot a black model. Racist? nope.

If you lived in Wyoming I'd say no big deal...but you live in SC, you should plenty of opportunities to shoot black people.  Ask yourself why you haven't shot any black girls?

dating is a separate issue involving personal taste, not racism, so that's understandable.  Have you ever turned down a shoot from a black person?

Cspine wrote:

You say that, but will you sleep on the wet spot?

I think that convinced me that this better be a platonic sort of love...  Yes, definitely the sort that doesn't involve "the wet spot."

FemmeArt wrote:
I'm a black photographer and model.  I can definitely tell you that it is much tougher for black models to find work.  I just wonder why that is?  Heck, even my portfolio speaks to this trend, but certainly not intentionally.

Not intentionally.  Right.  So do you think other people do it intentionally?

Photographers shoot the type of model the client wants.  Or, if there is no client, they shoot the type of model they want. 

I can honestly say that I have not had a single job in the past two weeks and every time I look through castings, here or elsewhere, they usually specify wanting non-"white" models.  The most popular models are Asians, I think.

Is it because photographers hate all races besides Asian races?
No.

J n X Photography wrote:

If you lived in Wyoming I'd say no big deal...but you live in SC, you should plenty of opportunities to shoot black people.  Ask yourself why you haven't shot any black girls?

dating is a separate issue involving personal taste, not racism, so that's understandable.  Have you ever turned down a shoot from a black person?

That's pretty funny. I should go seeking black models because there are many black people near me, just so I don't appear to be racist? I should do some soul searching to determine if maybe deep down I'm a bigot? Please.

FemmeArt wrote:
I'm a black photographer and model.  I can definitely tell you that it is much tougher for black models to find work.  I just wonder why that is?  Heck, even my portfolio speaks to this trend, but certainly not intentionally.

I dont think it has to do with being racist, i think it has to do more with the target market. for instance you're not going to put a "posh , snooty, stuck up" caucasian  male / female in an ad for say sean jean, ecco, fubu ...apple bottom ... 

majority of the target market for your "everday" items is not race or genre biased so that why i think its less black / indian/ latin models in those jobs.   now u go to say africa... hmm would they ask the same for white models?

CICADA MOTION PICTURES wrote:
This thread is a borderline excercise in silliness.

Borderline?

BlindMike wrote:
Sometimes I'll underexpose black people, crop through joints, and shoot unflattering angles just to spite them.

Seriously wtf. What a weird ass question to ask.

that's funny


people who are racist miss out on having more friends, it's their loss for being stupid

FemmeArt wrote:
I'm a black photographer and model.  I can definitely tell you that it is much tougher for black models to find work.

Can you indeed?  Let me suggest to you two observations:

1.  Actual industry statistics show that your statement is false.  It is not "much tougher for black models to find work".  In fact, it's somewhat easier on average.  www.newmodels.com/race.html

2.  Photographers don't hire models, clients do.  Oh, I know, on this whacky world of the Internet there are photographers who hire models - but that's a very small part of the modeling marketplace.  Clients (and advertising agencies) make decisions about who "finds work", not photographers.  So the question is kind of silly anyway.

StarlaMeris wrote:
I think that convinced me that this better be a platonic sort of love...  Yes, definitely the sort that doesn't involve "the wet spot."

edited crude comment

Ben Schneider com wrote:
some white people are prejudiced and some black people are prejudiced.

it goes both ways.

the point is to find the good people and work with them.

What, bad people don't deserve work too?

he hee =cough= cough=

Alana Skye wrote:
I don't understand why the people on this board are replying with a defensive tone.

The issues you raise are not the same as the question raised in the original post.

Yes, it is possible to have a reasoned, dispassionate discussion of racial differences, and preferences as they are related to racial characteristics, but that's not at all likely on this forum, and impossible if you start off with the question as asked.

Alana Skye wrote:
I don't understand why the people on this board are replying with a defensive tone. It is a valid question and it IS important to have a serious dialogue about it among people who project images of beauty via photography or whatever. It may not be intentional but there is such a thing as being institutionalized and socialized into believing that only one type look is held as a standard of beauty. You DO NOT see that many minorities being held as the standard or beauty nor due you see a broad spectrum of representation of minorities - especially in the American market. It's okay to joke around and make a discussion lighthearted and its another to disregard it all together as if it's a figment of one's imagination.

Uh, look. I don't know how to put this out to you, but minorities are the minority in this country. If they were the majority then this conversation wouldn't be taking place at all. At least not from the perspecive in which it was originally posed. There is no defense. Name one country in which the majority of the people represent through advertising, any group of that populace on equal terms with said majority. It's rhetorical, there is no such place! In fact, there are places where until as recently as 1992 (South Africa), that were ruled by a minority set per capita, and still only represented themselves.

People who are in control wish only to excentuate those things that are most closely related to them, period. What society would represent it's minority group on equal standing with the majority. None. Would you be complaining if this were a primarily black nation that chose to mostly represent itself above it's minority white population. Probably not.

Now is any of that shit right or fair? Fuck no it isn't! But, that's how they get down, here on planet earth. In fact that's how they've always gotten down, here on planet earth. The concept behind it is not new. The applications behind it are not new. Conversations like this one, are not new. Guess what though? That is the way it is going to be. Here on planet earth, and most assuredly in America, until that ol' scale gets tipped in the Latino favor in about 35 years or so. Then it'll be the same argument, just from a different perspective.