Melissa Lynnette wrote:
Someone recently dubbed me "coke bottle shaped".  It was an eye opener. 
But on topic, the girls who usually want to be referred to as curvy most times should be called chubby.  This also applies to girls who refer to themselves as thick when they should be called fat.  To me thick is Beyonce, Melyssa Ford, etc.  Toned bodies that are larger but well proportioned and nice to look at and envy.

Finally!  Someone who knows the difference!!

UdoR wrote:
wondering if KFC, McD and the King have anything to do with it

This isn't insulting??  Not all "meatier" bodied folk scarf fast food Udo.  I know that's not your "quarrel" but. . .why must poor diet and lack of exercise constantly flow from your fingertips when describing individuals that are more flesh endowed?  If your beef (no pun intended) is with people misjudging the slender. . .let's not follow suit and misjudge the heavier.

Jayne Jones wrote:

Finally!  Someone who knows the difference!!

Of course I know the difference.  I've thrown that in some people's faces before.

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
What category do girls like Kaitlin and myself, who don't have the "booby curves" but have the hip curves, fall into?

..Just wondering.

The kind I'd like to shoot..?

Jayne Jones wrote:

This isn't insulting??  Not all "meatier" bodied folk scarf fast food Udo.  I know that's not your "quarrel" but. . .why must poor diet and lack of exercise constantly flow from your fingertips when describing individuals that are more flesh endowed?  If your beef (no pun intended) is with people misjudging the slender. . .let's not follow suit and misjudge the heavier.

Oh... I am sorry Jayne!

I don't mean to put eating habits into the simple equation of "energy in vs. energy out" and deep fried "soul food" (it's called soul food because it sends your soul faster to heaven!) as a cultural food is extremely high in fats! Unless you have a VERY RARE genetic condition or a severe malfunction of your glands in which you gain incredible fatty tissue out of salad while exercising, then there is no excuse for individual obesity.

However, there are definite distinctions in body composition and genetic makeup, which tends to have slender athletic people, or bigger people in proportion because their body just retains more bodyfat and I am not denying that, but... PLEASE, don't tell me that a big "boned" (I soo hate that bullshit expression!) is big boned because of a healthy diet.

A girl, being all T&A and in proportions with a few "extra" pounds can certainly be healthy, attractive and a knockout..., yet, if there are more jelly rolls on the body... then it's for certain a matter of "energy in" (food and calories) vs. "energy out" (caloric expenditure such as metabolism and physical demands) and as much as I like you Jayne, you just don't have a concept of health and nutrition.

I am willing to discuss those concepts with your physician and I can guarantee you that he/she will agree with what I have to say after I finished my discussion with him/her. It's not the first time that I educate physicians about matters of nutrition...

Rhiannon Rose wrote:
A B cup??? Lol. How is that curvy??

Some B cups are close to C cups. . .so in THAT sense. . .they are indeed bountiful.  Even a small B compared to a AA cup would be curvy.  Let's not be closed minded about breasts.

W.G. Rowland wrote:

The kind I'd like to shoot..?

Sweet!

[You know, I'll be in San Diego next month..]

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
What category do girls like Kaitlin and myself, who don't have the "booby curves" but have the hip curves, fall into?

..Just wondering.

You fall into the MBCBSKAM... Chapter 7.. paragraph 8 subsection 1-A of PK Digital Imaging guide to model types.

Chapter 7 - Body Types

Paragraph 8:
In reference to said body types in which curves and natural proportion seem to be lacking but the ability of a model to perform is not hindered by any means may fall into one of the following categories:
      1-A) MBCBSKAM (Missing Boob Curve But Still a Kick Ass Model)
      1-B)...

-PKD

p.s.  But what do I know

Wynd Mulysa wrote:

Sweet!

[You know, I'll be in San Diego next month..]

I know.. You're staying with one of my closest friends..

Jayne Jones wrote:

Some B cups are close to C cups. . .so in THAT sense. . .they are indeed bountiful.  Even a small B compared to a AA cup would be curvy.  Let's not be closed minded about breasts.

I didn't mean to make it sound like that. Sorry. I was a b cup for a while, I just never saw it as curvy is all. Not to myself.

Shyly wrote:
I don't get it.  What's with all the hostility?  Seriously.  I've been on the receiving end of enormous amounts of crap from thin girls, just like some thin girls have been on the receiving end of enormous amounts of crap from fat girls.  Why?  Who the fuck cares?

I am so over it.  Seriously.

GET OVER IT!

Shyly is the coolest ever.

And now I feel guilty for participating in this thread.  :0/.  But I can't help it!  I'm a MM addict.  It doesn't matter what the thread is about.. Odds are I'll respond.

Shyly wrote:
I don't get it.  What's with all the hostility?  Seriously.  I've been on the receiving end of enormous amounts of crap from thin girls, just like some thin girls have been on the receiving end of enormous amounts of crap from fat girls.  Why?  Who the fuck cares?

I am so over it.  Seriously.

GET OVER IT!

Shyly;

I hope you know that I am fighting against the hostility against slender girls and not against "big" girls... but I am sure YOU know what I am talking about, since we have been discussing this for a long time already!

P.S.: Why are you not in NYC??? I thought you've planned your trip up here months ago and that we can finally shoot together.

PK Digital Imaging wrote:

You fall into the MBCBSKAM... Chapter 7.. paragraph 8 subsection 1-A of PK Digital Imaging guide to model types.

Chapter 7 - Body Types

Paragraph 8:
In reference to said body types in which curves and natural proportion seem to be lacking but the ability of a model to perform is not hindered by any means may fall into one of the following categories:
      1-A) MBCBSKAM (Missing Boob Curve But Still a Kick Ass Model)
      1-B)...

-PKD

p.s.  But what do I know

This actually made me laugh.. A lot.  Thanks.

W.G. Rowland wrote:

I know.. You're staying with one of my closest friends..

.  I'm very excited about it.

Christopher N. wrote:
If a photographer doesn't step out of his or her box and works with women bigger than size 0 he (or she) is either closed minded, scared or no good.

Could say the same about tats....but that's another story.....

I don't remember ever having shot a size 0 model, size 1, YES, size 12, yes... but I know size 0 models who have awsome bodies (Ever heard of Nerlande?)!

I think that the "box" includes every size...

Just stop the friggin' bashing of the models on the other end of the weight scale...

That is what my rant is about Christopher!

UdoR wrote:
Double Post!

I'm sorry Udo. . .I forgot you were a licensed dietitian.  I may not be the "perfect picture" of health. . .but from the nutrition class I took. . .depending upon how you metabolize food. . .vegetarians can also be obese.  Not even going to talk about how much "natural sugar" there is in fruit.  And if you eat enough veggies and don't expend the calories from those veggies out. . .that would put you into the same "calories in vs calories out" scenario that you speak of.  I'm merely stating that one shouldn't gaze upon someone and say "hmmm. . .she's portly. . .wonder how many trips to fast food restaurants she makes".  If you aren't adult enough to acknowledge that is stereotypical. . .for the same reason as it is wrong to look at a muscle bound man and say "boy. . .he sure is built. . .wonder what steroids he's taking". . .then that's perfectly fine and your prejudiced opinion.

I'm not even going to touch the "soul food" comment.

Sarah Deathriage wrote:
oh jesus..not this again.

Yes,  sweeeet  Je-sus-uh, this again.  btw,  do you require an escort?? If so, why?

ChrisCorbettPhotography wrote:

Yes,  sweeeet  Je-sus-uh, this again.  btw,  do you require an escort?? If so, why?

this is off topic, but no I don't.

Sarah Deathriage wrote:
Udor! what the hell is this crap about "soul food" comment towards Jayne? now you just sound crazy.
That doesn't come across very politically correct if you ask me. But I guess this entire post can be filed under Udor is not PC.

Sarah he was just trying to be funny.  I agree with him that it is very wrong for people to pick on slender folk.  Just as it is to pick on not so slender folk.  But Udo has an uncanny knack for assuming things when it comes to not so slender folk. . .which boils down to the pot calling the kettle black IMO.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

Shyly has tried to get him to stop assuming people's lifestyles based on their appearance many times.  I honestly don't know why I even bothered to make the same plea. . .clearly he has never listened to her and she is far more reputable and known than I.

UdoR wrote:
I don't remember ever having shot a size 0 model, size 1, YES, size 12, yes... but I know size 0 models who have awsome bodies (Ever heard of Nerlande?)!

I think that the "box" includes every size...

Just stop the friggin' bashing of the models on the other end of the weight scale...

That is what my rant is about Christopher!

I agree UdoR....sometimes something gets lost in translation in a message post :-)

I've just heard alot of stories from the models I've worked with.....of all sizes.

And yes, believe me just as there are size 12 models who are 'da bomb' there are size 0s.

I can only speak from my relatively novice (5 years) experience on this one. I've been fortunate to work with ALOT of different types of models. Slim, curvy....makes me better.....

Jayne Jones wrote:
I'm sorry Udo. . .I forgot you were a licensed dietitian.  I may not be the "perfect picture" of health. . .but from the nutrition class I took. . .depending upon how you metabolize food. . .vegetarians can also be obese.  And if you eat enough veggies and don't expend the calories from those veggies out. . .that would put you into the same "calories in vs calories out" scenario that you speak of.  I'm merely stating that one shouldn't gaze upon someone and say "hmmm. . .she's portly. . .wonder how many trips to fast food restaurants she makes".  If you aren't adult enough to acknowledge that is stereotypical. . .for the same reason as it is wrong to look at a muscle bound man and say "boy. . .he sure is built. . .wonder what steroids he's taking". . .then that's perfectly fine and your prejudiced opinion.

I'm not even going to touch the "soul food" comment.

The whole point is that overweight people are, part of the time, unhealthy because of their diet.
Underweight people are also, part of the time, unhealthy because of their diet.
That's why there is the "average weight" idea.  But it's taken a little too seriously and shoved down our throats through a lot of media and people who live by that media, making a lot of people insecure or giving them false ideas.
I wouldn't say that just because someone is the "correct weight" for their size, they are of perfect health.

People are also underweight or overweight because of genetics.  I would go so far as to guess that someone who eats too much of the wrong things or too little of the right things can maintain a "healthy weight" because of their metabolism as well. 

Anyway, I'm not sure of the statistics, but it's possible to be healthy and not be the suggested weight for your age/height, and it's also possible to be that way because of a poor diet.
Someone find out the statistics for us, please.

Jayne Jones wrote:
I'm sorry Udo. . .I forgot you were a licensed dietitian.

Dear Jayne;

Could you please point me to the reference where I EVER made a reference to being a licensed "dietician"!

Would appreciate it!

Regardless, I am concerned with nutritional health for nearly a quarter of a century with intense study of the subject, also being a high performance athlete for 30 years and personal trainer and coach in full contact martial arts (as well as having been a vegetarian for 24 years). With that background, I do have an extensive knowledge and after having had serious discussions with several physicians who agreed with me after I provided them with facts I had access to I am secure enough in my live long knowledge to discuss that matter with your personal physician.

If you want, I'll email you my phone number and have a talk with your doc... free of charge!

Then he/she will tell you what the deal is!

I am serious, simply because I know what I am talking about!

Sarah Deathriage wrote:
Udor! what the hell is this crap about "soul food" comment towards Jayne? now you just sound crazy.
That doesn't come across very politically correct if you ask me. But I guess this entire post can be filed under Udor is not PC.

Uh-oh...so we have to be politically correct here?

Sarah Deathriage wrote:

this is off topic, but no I don't.

Sorry, a lame attempt at an off topic joke.

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
The whole point is that overweight people are, part of the time, unhealthy because of their diet.
Underweight people are also, part of the time, unhealthy because of their diet.
That's why there is the "average weight" idea.  But it's taken a little too seriously and shoved down our throats through a lot of media and people who live by that media, making a lot of people insecure.
I wouldn't say that just because someone is the "correct weight" for their size, they are of perfect health.

People are also underweight or overweight because of genetics.  I would go so far as to guess that someone who eats too much of the wrong things or too little of the right things can maintain a "healthy weight" because of their metabolism as well. 

Anyway, I'm not sure of the statistics, but it's possible to be healthy and not be the suggested weight for your age/height, and it's also possible to be that way because of a poor diet.
Someone find out the statistics for us, please.

I agree with everything you've said. . .I just thought that the point of his post was that people were picking on the slender models and calling them curvaceously challenged.  So for him to say what he said about fat people was just as insulting.  That's the point I was trying to make.

The CDC says that America is vastly overweight due to "inactivity and sedentary lifestyles" not diet.  NOT that diet doesn't play a role in the whole scheme of things, because it does. . .but there are just as many skinny people in lines at these fast food giants as there are fat people. . .and THAT fact shouldn't be overlooked.  Us big folk don't own any more stock in fast food than slim folk.

Sarah Deathriage wrote:
Udor! what the hell is this crap about "soul food" comment towards Jayne? now you just sound crazy.
That doesn't come across very politically correct if you ask me. But I guess this entire post can be filed under Udor is not PC.

Hey Sarah;

As someone who lives among people who enjoy "soul food", as someone who was married to one Jamaican and one AA woman with close contact to the rest of the families and not caring about the ethnicity of someone I love... I will not get into any "PC" bullcrap with you, since you don't know the platform I am speaking from...

K!