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theda

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Wes Hall wrote:
Skinny Models have no power. Those responsible for placing them on a platform to be showcased to the world as a standard for beauty are in power and should be removed due to lack of compentency and responsibility. It would be nice if people would take resonsibility for their own actions, but they don't. The human mind is a big sponge. If it is bombarded with a certain model ,or idealogy, it's natural reaction is to attempt to accept, if not totally conform to it's source of influence.
The fact that we are having this discussion proves my point. If we would not have chosen to accept English as our language, or the fact that cars must be driven on a certain side of the street, there would be chaos. Therefore, it is human neccecity that warrants our desire for uniformity, conformity, or basic acceptance.

The media plays into this WAY more than most are willing to acknowledge.

Eating Disorder Solution: EAT!!! Very simple task. You come naturally equipped with all the tools required. Anything more complx is conjecture. Need a tissue?

Your first statement is mildly offensive.  I'm a skinny model. I'm pretty sure I have power over my life and my decisions.  If you mean we have no power over the preferences of the industry, that's essentially true. But the same can be said about any model.  We don't make the rules.  We are the bottom rung.

Of course people are influenced by what they see around them, including the media, but it is an oversimplification to attribute too much of our psyche's make up to the media, or worse yet, one element of the media.  There's a tremendous number of factors that influence what psychological ills we do or do not develop and to place too much emphasis on one factor is a disservice to the mjaroty who are primarily triggered by oehr factors. Remember, we all see the images the media bombards us with, but only a small minority develops an ED.  See diathesis stress model.

Oh, and bulemics eat quite a bit. I see your simple solution doesn't really work for for many eating disorders.  It's only one flaw of trying to oversimplify complex issues.

Sep 13 06 11:56 am Link

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theda

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New York, New York, US

C R Photography wrote:
The only good thing to come out of Spain is Christopher Columbus and even he was lost big_smile

And Italian.

Sep 13 06 11:59 am Link

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Kemmie T x10

Posts: 7489

Atlanta, Georgia, US

bear_mkt wrote:
I just saw a news story on Reuters about the first ban on "skinny models" in Spain. They're using a body-mass ratio to ban models with figures similar to Kate Moss and Esther Canadas from appearing in fashion shows, with the threat of legislation if the designers don't cooperate voluntarily. (I always knew government was fat and bloated, but I didn't think they'd try to impose it on the private sector.)

Yeah, its Europe, but how long will it be before some political tweetie in the US adds this to his election campaign?

"Madrid's fashion week has turned away underweight models after protests that young girls and women were trying to copy their rail-thin looks and developing eating disorders."

"Organizers say they want to project an image of beauty and health, rather than a waif-like, or heroin chic look."

So, what do you think about the waif look? Or as the designers prefer call it, models with naturally gazelle-like bodies.

Are u serious?? Nothing against the issue, but there are far more bigger issues...

Sep 13 06 12:01 pm Link

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1Body

Posts: 57

Los Angeles, California, US

theda wrote:
Your first statement is mildly offensive.  I'm a skinny model. I'm pretty sure I have power over my life and my decisions.  If you mean we have no power over the preferences of the industry, that's essentially true. But the same can be said about any model.  We don't make the rules.  We are the bottom rung.

Of course people are influenced by what they see around them, including the media, but it is an oversimplification to attribute too much of our psyche's make up to the media, or worse yet, one element of the media.  There's a tremendous number of factors that influence what psychological ills we do or do not develop and to place too much emphasis on one factor is a disservice to the mjaroty who are primarily triggered by oehr factors. Remember, we all see the images the media bombards us with, but only a small minority develops an ED.  See diathesis stress model.

Oh, and bulemics eat quite a bit. I see your simple solution doesn't really work for for many eating disorders.  It's only one flaw of trying to oversimplify complex issues.

1. I see that you are intelligent enough to comprehend the intent of the first sentence. However, I do not apologize for offending anyone, espcially on this issue.
Did you read what I said about boob implants? Whoo!!!
And yes, I did mean that the model is not in control.  Moving on...

2. What other medium has fashion used to publicize itself? I want to know what they use outside of the media; tv, print, radio, and in person. Truth be told, we all are capable of believing whqtever we want. The problem is when people cease to think as a responsible individual within a larger group or body. Hence, the issue at hand.

3. Eating disorders...there are only three and here are their solutions:
          A. Anorexia: Eat!
          B. Bullemia:  Eat!...And you better not throw up!
          C. Obeisity: Stop eating so much!!!

The one thing that unifies these is EATING. You have to do it, so stop acting like it is not a mandatory requirement for STAYING ALIVE!

Oversimplify...No, just waiting on a real answer to the issue of "why do it?"

Ever heard of Ohkam's Razor ?

Sep 13 06 12:27 pm Link

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Halcyon 7174 NYC

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New York, New York, US

C R Photography wrote:
The only good thing to come out of Spain is Christopher Columbus and even he was lost big_smile

Don't forget Miles Davis. Of course, he was only visiting.

Wait a minute, Columbus was Italian!

Sep 13 06 12:29 pm Link

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1Body

Posts: 57

Los Angeles, California, US

Tumbleweed rolling across the street...

Sep 13 06 12:30 pm Link

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1Body

Posts: 57

Los Angeles, California, US

Kem Wilkerson wrote:
Are u serious?? Nothing against the issue, but there are far more bigger issues...

Why in the hell did you even write that? Issues like THIS are what forums like this are/were intended for.

Sep 13 06 12:30 pm Link

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Fifi

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Gainesville, Florida, US

I hate people who think they know all the answers but just come across looking like jerks. If you were to ask most of the people who have had eating disorders (myself included), they won't say because of the media. Like someone pointed out before, it's a control isssue. A lot of times, the person has a variety of problems in their life that they can't control. So, they look at what they eat and their weight as something they can control. And considering a lot of magazines are putting down the actress who are ridiculously skinny, I don't see how they are promoting an unhealthy body image. If anything, all these people (who are morbidly obese, not plus sized) saying that big is beautiful and people should be happy with themselves are just pushing our countries obesity rate through the roof, instead of helping it.

Edit: To add on, I never thought of myself as "fat"... I've always been a small person. My eating disorder started because I liked the fact that I was "strong enough" to keep myself from eating. I loved the sense of control it gave me because the rest of my life felt like it was spiraling out of control. I not once looked at myself and said, "Hey, I wanna look like Kate Moss". Most girls/guys don't when they have an eating disorder.

Sep 13 06 12:45 pm Link

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Star

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Los Angeles, California, US

the women who are complaining, what is your muscle mass? The idea is that a great percentage of models do drug and starve themselves to reamin at the weight needed to model. Spain has decided that it doesn't want that to influence its girls on how they look.

Not everyone who reads the anarchist's cookbook is going to make a bomb. But there is a reason it isn't on shelves.

Does no one remember when Kate Moss admitted to an eating disorder?

Or when Yolanna on ANTM was told that she had to lose more weight since a size 3 was much too large?

Dancers smoke not to gain weight, but they have to fly through the air. What is exactly is the need for a size 2, 5 foot 9 inch girl?

from USA today: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/spo … tis-_x.htm

"The pressure was if I didn't get into that dress size someone else would – someone else would get the job," Otis explains. "I had dropped out of school and was a runaway, so I didn't have family to fall back on if I didn't work. I didn't have a lot of other options of making money other than modeling."

"But I can't blame it all on modeling," Otis adds. "Anorexia was there for me before I got into modeling, but because of the arena and the demands, the disease really got out of control for me. It's like being an alcoholic and going and being a bartender."

http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0102/Mar18_02/12.htm

Meeting photographers and modeling for such magazines as Vogue, Elle and Allure, Dillon said, “In many ways it was as glamorous and cool as it sounds.” But, she said, the pressure to be thin began to take its toll, both physically and mentally.

“I was being told I needed to lose anywhere from 10–20 pounds all the time,” Dillon said. She said she got her first reality check when a man from Harper’s Bazaar approached her after a fashion show to tell her she looked fantastic. “This alarm finally went off in my head after seven years,” Dillon said. “I thought, ‘this is a little nutty here—they’re finally telling me I look wonderful, and I haven’t eaten in 2 weeks.’”

from msnbc.com
Children predisposed to eating disorders are uniquely sensitive to media messages about dieting and health. And their interpretation can be starkly literal.

Famous people who have DIED from EDs:

Karen Carpenter (musician)- Went on a water diet to lose weight and, as she put it, to appear more attractive. Continued to diet even after losing 20 lbs, until her death at the age of 32. She died of cardiac arrest due to anorexia and weighed only 80 lbs.

Theresa Marie "Terri" Schiavo (December 3, 1963 – March 31, 2005)  Her physician failed to recognize and diagnose bulimia

Margaux Hemmingway: actress, model, suffered with bulimia

Christy Henrich (gymnast)- In 1988, Christy was told by a U.S. judge that she had to lose weight in order to make the Olympic team. She died of multiple organ failure, as a result of anorexia, at the age of 22. She weighed only 60 lbs.

Heidi Guenther (ballet dancer)- After being told by a theatre company that at 5'5" in height and 96 lbs in weight she was too chunky, she developed an eating disorder. She collapsed and died at the age of 22 due to complications from her eating disorder.

Leila Pahlavi  The youngest daughter of the late Shah of Iran stole prescriptions from the desk of her doctor in order to feed her fatal addiction to barbiturates, an inquest heard yesterday. Princess Leila Pahlavi, 31, died alone in her suite at a London hotel after taking prescription drugs and cocaine. She was found in bed, her body emaciated by years of anorexia and bulimia.

Anne Sexton American poet Anne Sexton (1928-1974), who was sexually abused in childhood and committed suicide at the age of 46, suffered from anorexia and depression. 




Famous celebrities who have spoken publicly about their suffering with EDs: (this list is constantly being updated)


Paula Abdul (musician)  Dancer, choreograph and singer Paula Abdul (American Idol Judge) battled bulimia and decided to check herself in a clinic, back in 1994. Her negative feelings about her own body image came as early as seven years old when she began dancing, but "it didn't manifest into a full-blown eating disorder until I was in high school."

Today Paula Abdul is a spokesperson for the National Eating Disorders Association (NEDA). Paula courageously speaks out about her own past battles, in hopes of encouraging young women to take the scary, but necessary, steps to seek help. "It is one of the toughest things to talk about, bar none, and it is one of the hardest disorders to deal with because it's not black or white. Eating disorders really have nothing to do with food, it's about feelings."

Maria Conchita Alonso  Beauty pageant winner and actress Maria Conchita Alonso, the first contemporary international Latina superstar, recently began speaking out about her struggle with bulimia.

Struggling with the condition for nearly a decade, resulting in damage to her esophagus and her teeth, she eventually sought help for the self-destructive syndrome. With the help of a balanced diet, exercise, and a physician specializing in eating disorders, Maria has learned to control her condition. She also shares her story with audiences across the country in hopes of helping the millions of people afflicted with eating disorders.

Christine Alt  Model Christine Alt (Carol Alt's sister) developed an eating disorder under the pressure to slim down from modeling agencies and clients. "I think that half the women in this world who are plus-size would not be if they never went on a diet."

Magali Amadei  Magali Amadei has appeared on the covers of fashion magazines. She's been on TV commercials, billboards and even in movies! With all that success, you'd think that she would have tons of confidence. But for many years, Magali suffered from bulimia.

Fiona Apple  Singer and songwriter Fiona Apple became anorexic after being raped outside of her mother's home at the age of twelve. She says she was not anorexic out of a desire to be thin, but as a reaction to being raped. She also admitted to having self-injurious behaviors in the past.

The Barbie Twins  Pinup and model sisters Sia and Shane Barbi - known as the Barbi Twins - battled anorexia and bulimia. The sisters have written a book about their struggles with an eating disorder (Barbi Twins - Dying To Be Healthy: Millennium Dieting and Nutrition) and are touring through schools and colleges, raising eating disorder awareness.

Justine Bateman Former 'Family Ties' actress Justine Bateman struggled with bulimia. Justine is now an activist for recovery and speaks from time to time at eating disorder support groups about her experiences with an eating disorder.

Victoria Beckham  Victoria Beckham (Victoria Adams, former Posh Spice from the Spice Girls) publicly admitted struggling with an eating disorder in the early days of the Spice Girls, after years "in denial". "I was very obsessed. I mean, I could tell you the fat content and the calorie content in absolutely anything," she told ABC's 20/20 in 2003. While being a Spice Girl, Victoria was under a lot of pressure from the management to lose  weight and stay slim. Beckham also said that bandmate Geri Halliwell (Ginger Spice) encouraged her and Melanie C (Sporty Spice) to do sports and take liquid meal substitutes. Victoria eventually started to binge eat and in one passage from her autobiography she describes eating 10 bowls of cereals at once. In her book "Learning To Fly", which also contains a lot of pictures of the star, Victoria talks about her obsession with her appearance and describes her illness.

Kate Beckinsale  Actress Kate Beckinsale (Underworld, Pearl Harbor) struggled with an eating disorder during her teen years, before she decided to start acting. She has frankly spoken in interviews about her eating problem. Thanks to the support of her family and therapy Kate was able to recover from anorexia. "People keep asking me about it but I don't want to be famous for being a former anorexic."

Catherine Bell  'JAG' actress Catherine Bell struggled with an eating disorder in the past.

Melanie Chisholm  Singer Melanie Chisholm (Melanie C - former Sporty Spice from the Spice Girls) publicly admitted suffering from an eating disorder and depression. Throughout the time she was in the "Spice Girls", Melanie alternated between starving herself and excessive exercise. "My mum assumed my tiny body was a result of being busy with the band and working out regularly."

Nadia Comaneci (gymnast)

Sandra Dee Model and actress Sandra Dee struggled with an eating disorder and had a drinking problem for decades. "I was anorexic for many, many years -- even before people knew what it was .They didn't even have a name for it back then."

Susan Dey (actress) Actress Susan Dey battled anorexia and bulimia. Susan was so underweight and malnourished she stopped having menstrual periods and her fingers turned orange from eating almost nothing but carrots.

Diana, Princess of Wales Princess Diana struggled with an eating disorder and also admitted that she used to self-harm herself. The following is an extract of an interview of Princess Diana about her battle with bulimia - "I had bulimia for a number of years. And that's like a secret disease. You inflict it upon yourself because your self-esteem is at a low ebb, and you don't think you're worthy or valuable. You fill your stomach up four or five times a day - some do it more - and it gives you a feeling of comfort. It's like having a pair of arms around you, but it's temporarily, temporary. Then you're disgusted at the bloatedness of your stomach, and then you bring it all up again. And it's a repetitive pattern, which is very destructive to yourself." Diana also admitted in a television interview that she intentionally cut her arms and legs and had thrown herself down a flight of stairs on more than one occasion.

Kate Dillon  Model Kate Dillon struggled with anorexia for seven years while working as a top print and runway model. Even though she was underweight, she was told by photographers to lose some more weight. She quit modeling for a while and worked on her body image and recovery. Kate now works as "plus-size" model and is a spokesperson for an eating disorder organization. "I weigh myself every week to make sure I'm not losing any weight. I love my body." ... "I've done better as a 'big' girl than most 'skinny' girls do as skinny models, so it's been amazing. But what’s more amazing is that I did it on my own terms."

Jamie-Lynn Sigler Jamie-Lynn is one of Hollywood’s most popular young actresses and is best known for her role on the hit HBO series The Sopranos as Meadow Soprano. A survivor of Anorexia and Exercise Bulimia.

Elisa Donovan  Actress Elisa Donovan (Sabrina - The Teenage Witch, Clueless) suffered from an an eating disorder in the past.

Sally Field  Actress Sally Field struggled with an eating disorder in the past. Sally began her three-year battle with anorexia and bulimia at the age of 20. "Everybody then was Twiggy, except me."

Calista Flockhart  Actress Calista Flockhart admitted after years of being in denial that she struggled with anorexia while filming the TV show 'Ally Mc Beal'. "I started under-eating, over-exercising, pushing myself too hard and brutalizing my immune system."

Jane Fonda Award-winning actress Jane Fonda revealed several years ago that she had been a secret bulimic from age 12, and struggled with anorexia and bulimia for 30 years. Jane became one of the first Hollywood actresses to break the silence and talk openly about eating disorders and campaigned to raise awareness about anorexia and bulimia. In her autobiography "My Life So Far", Jane honestly talks about her 30 year battle with eating disorders.

Cynthia French  Singer, songwriter and publisher Cynthia French struggled with eating disorders in the past and has begun touring the country speaking publicly about her experiences with eating disorders and how she overcame them. Cynthia wrote a book called "Humanville" which is spiritually based novel about a young women who tries to become a famous singer and also struggles with both, bulimia and anorexia.

Anna Freud (Sigmund Freud's daughter), who was also a psychotherapist, documented that she struggled with anorexia when she was younger.

Zina Garrison (tennis player)

Tracy Gold (actress from growing pains) Actress Tracey Gold suffered from an eating disorder and was first diagnosed with anorexia at the age of 12. She went into treatment and recovered after only a couple of months. But at the age of 19, in 1988, she relapsed and fell back into the vicious cycle of anorexia. Tracey eventually recovered and resumed her acting career which was effected negatively by her eating disorder. In 1994 Tracey played a young woman suffering from anorexia in the TV movie "For the Love of Nancy" which based on the true story of anorexia victim Nancy Walsh.

Geri Halliwell   Singer Geri Halliwell (former Ginger Spice from the Spice Girls) publicly admitted suffering from bulimia and binge eating for several years. "I realised I couldn't control this monster anymore. I needed to find help." Her piece of advice for those who are struggling - "I can honestly tell you from personal experience, that worrying about an eating disorder really can get you down. There's nothing to be  ashamed about. You'll be amazed at the difference it'll make to your whole life if you tell someone you trust. There are lots of people who want to help and you really CAN'T fight this one on your own. It might be a hard decision to make, to tell people and to seek help but, trust me it's nowhere as hard as trying to deal with it on your own." Geri has written a book called "Just For The Record" in which she talks with brutal honesty about her life, including battling and overcoming eating disorders, which she has struggled with since childhood.

Amy Heckerling  Director-writer: In high school, she was anorexic. And, more recently, she said, "I had an eating disorder because I was going through something that was depressing me. And I didn't feel like eating. It wasn't that I thought I'd look cuter and be more popular. That certainly was long gone. I come from a family of heavy women, so I've always been really scared."

Mariel Hemingway  Actress Mariel Hemingway (granddaughter of famed novelist Ernest Hemingway) was born into a troubled family. She was growing up under the shadow of her grandfather's suicide, and years later also Mariel's middle sister Margaux committed suicide. Mariel Hemingway had a turbulent life and also struggled with a severe eating disorder. In her book "Finding My Balance: a Memoir with Yoga", Mariel taks about her life, childhood and family relationships, early success and fame, personal battles with her own inner demons, and how yoga and motherhood helped her reconnect with herself and become centered.

Audrey Hepburn  Actress Audrey Hepburn struggled with anorexia and depression - which was unknown to the public during her career. She was known to lose weight under pressure and to be "strange" about food. Rumor has it that current actresses are being "harassed" by the media who points to Audrey as an example of a thin woman without an eating disorder, but that was NOT the case!

Felicity Huffman Actress Felicity Huffman (Desperate Housewives) battled both bulimia and anorexia from her teens into her 20s.

Janet Jackson  Singer Janet Jackson has been quoted in the media as having an ongoing battle with an eating disorder.

Elton John (bulimia) Elton John has gone public about his struggles with bulimia, as well as a less common eating disorder of chewing and spitting.

Daniel Johns (musician)

Wynonna Judd Country singer and songwriter Wynonna Judd (one half of the legandary mother-daughter duo 'The Juddds', and sister of actress Ashley Judd who does not struggle with an eating disorder but was in therapy because of major depression), who also suffered sexual abuse as a child, struggles with emotional eating and is on her journey towards healthy eating. "It's not about size, I'll let that take care of itself. The work I'm doing is inside. The physical will follow the mental and spiritual and emotional." In her book "Coming Home To Myself", Wynonna tells her story and gives readers an honest insight in her life and emotions.

Franz Kafka Poet Franz Kafka, who wrote the short story "The Hunger Artist", suffered from anorexia.

Gelsey Kirkland (ballet dancer)

Mary McDonough Actress (The Waltons) struggled with an eating disorder.

Katherine McPhee  Singer Katharine McPhee, American Idol runner-up, struggled with bulimia while auditioning for American Idol in San Francisco in August 2005. She suffered from an eating disorder for 6 years, since she was 17 years old. After her audition was successful, Katharine decided to get help. "My bulimia was really getting out of control." She enrolled at Los Angeles's Eating Disorder Center of California, where she spent three months undergoing group and individual therapy six days a week. Katharine says today that American Idol has saved her life. She believes that if she didn't audition for the show, she would probably still struggle. Katharine has learned that there is no "bad" food - you can have everything as long as you watch how much you eat.

Kellie Martin  Actress Kellie Martin developed anorexia when she was cast in "Life Goes On". Actress Tracey Gold (who also struggled with an eating disorder in the past) convinced her to seek help.

Alanis Morissette  Canadian singer Alanis Morissette has admitted that she has struggled with anorexia and bulimia between the ages of 14 and 18 when she was trying to break into the music business. She wrote the song "Perfect" (from Jagged Little Pill album), inspired by her eating disorder recovery. Click here to go to the "Perfect" lyrics.

Barbara Niven actress www.barbaraniven.com

Mary-Kate Olsen  Actress Mary-Kate Olsen ('The Olsen Twins') checked into an eating disorder treatment center and underwent treatment for anorexia after months of speculation and rumors about her thin appearance and denying of being anorexic. Mary-Kate celebrated beating her eating disorder by giving away clothes that no longer fit her. She donated thousands of dollars worth of designer clothes to a thrift store in Hollywood. Mary-Kate has gained a bit of weight again and is happy with her new-found curves and also decided to keep the weight on and to get rid of her skinny wardrobe.

Sharon Osbourne (married to Ozzy Osbourne), who has survived deadly colon cancer in the past, has confessed she has been suffering from bulimia for 35 years and she is still struggling. "I've been able to conquer just about everything except bulimia." Sharon had gastric bypass surgery but still battles with her eating disorder.

Carre Otis  Top fashion model and actress Carrie Otis starved herself for about 17 years and nearly died in her quest for thinness. Today, she is healthy and trying to educate other women about the deadly dangers of eating disorders. “I had been on this insane diet for almost 17 years to maintain the weight that was demanded of me when I was modeling. My diet was really starvation. I am not naturally that thin.”

Catherine Oxenberg  Actress Catherine Oxenberg (daughter of Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia and a distant relative of Britain's royal family; she played Princess Di in 'The Royal Romance of Charles and Diana' in 1982, and also 1992 in 'Charles and Diana: Unhappily Ever After'), who was also sexually abused within the family as a child, struggled with an eating disorder for 20 years and finally found the strength to beat bulimia and successfully won this battle. "I really thought I would never get through it. I'd put myself in rehab and I would be fine for nine months and then I'd blow it again." Catherine also said that her bulimia had massive physical repercussions on her body. "I destroyed my teeth because you're vomiting hydrochloric acid so that acid eats away at the enamel in your teeth, so I've had horrendous problems with my teeth."

Alexandra Paul  Actress Alexandra Paul (Baywatch) struggled with an eating disorder in the past.

Syliva Plath  Poet and author Syliva Plath struggled with an eating disorder and depression.

Scarlett Pomers 'Reba' actress Scarlett Pomers spoke openly about her battle with anorexia and road to recovery on the Tyra Banks Show in February 2006. She didn't speak about her weight and didn't reveal any methods of her weight loss because she doesn't want other sufferers to use them as diet tips. Now, Scarlet is a spokesperson for The National Eating Disorder Association (NEDA) and has established her Arch-Angels Fund within the National Eating Disorders Association to raise awareness and funds for eating disorders advocacy, education and treatment.

Tara Reid  American Pie actress Tara Reid struggled with anorexia after the breakup with fiance MTV DJ Carson Daly.

Christina Ricci  Actress Christina Ricci (who also admitted to cutting herself in the past) has commented on her anorexia by saying, "I had a brief flirtation with anorexia and when I was recovering from that, I put on a lot of weight, which was very difficult for me. In a way, I was trying to get rid of my breasts. Everyone my age wanted them, so it was like, whoo-ooo. Then I started hating them. And for all of my movies, I was supposed to be younger, so I'd have to strap them down."

Cathy Rigby (gymnast)

Joan Rivers (comedian) Comedian and author Joan Rivers battled bulimia for years.

Portia de Rossi  Former 'Ally McBeal' actress Portia de Rossi admitted to an eating disorder and blamed Hollywood's pressure to stay skinny for developing an eating disorder.

Ally Sheedy Actress Ally Sheedy (best known for her role in the 1985 hit "The Breakfast Club") struggled with anorexia and bulimia in the past and at one point also was addicted to pain killer medications.

Jamie-Lynn Sigler Actress Jamie-Lynn Sigler (The Sopranos) battled with an eating disorder and spoke publicly about her eating problem and her addiction to exercising. She uses her celebrity to raise awareness about eating disorders and is now a spokesperson for the National Eating Disorder Association (NEDA). Jamie wrote a book called " Wise Girl - What I’ve Learned About Life, Love, and Loss" and openly shares her story about her struggles with an eating disorder, how her obsession with weight nearly destroyed her career and the dark side of overnight success. "It is a tough thing to talk about it, but it is actually therapeutic for me."

Richard Simmons  Fitness and diet guru Richard Simmons suffered from an eating disorder in the past.

Ashlee Simpson (musician) Singer Ashlee Simpson (sister of singer and actress Jessica Simpson) has publicly admitted that she battled with an eating disorder during her pre-teen years. "I was around a lot of girls with eating disorders."

Yeardley Smith   Actress and voice talent Yeardley Smith (the voice of Lisa Simpson on "The Simpsons) suffered from bulimia for 25 years. Her eating disorder started when she was about 13 years old. Coincidentally, her character Lisa Simpson suffered through an eating disorder in the episode "Sleeping with the Enemy". She is currently performing in a one-woman show called "More" where she exposes her eating disorder. 

Courtney Thorne-Smith  Former 'Ally Mc Beal' actress Courtney Thorne-Smith battled an eating disorder. Courtney developed anorexia due to the pressure to be thin. Her slide into anorexia led her to quit the television show 'Ally Mc Beal'.

Meredith Vieira Former 'The View' co-host Meredith Vieira said that she had an eating disorder and body images issues when she was younger. Meredith now has a yearlong series called 'Meredith's Club' which designed to help educate children on healthy eating and the importance of exercise.

Peta Wilson  Actress and model Peta Wilson (La Femme Nikita) suffered from an eating disorder. She developed her eating disorder because of her parents' divorce and the pressure of modeling.

Oprah Winfrey  The most influential person on TV, Oprah Winfrey, who was raped at the age of nine by her nineteen year old cousin and repeatedly sexually abused, struggled with disordered eating. Oprah, who said about her weight "It's always a struggle. I've felt safer and more protected when I was heavy. Food has always been comforting.", is in the process of writing a book about her weight loss battle to share her struggles with the world. The book is expected to come out in January 2007.

Kate Winslet British actress Kate Winslet (Titanic, Sense and Sensibility) has admitted to struggling with eating disorders and Kate is honest and outspoken about her life-long weight problems. "My uncle is a chef. My mother is a fantastic cook. We're all big eaters. It was kind of unavoidable."
In high school, she was a bit heavier and classmates called her "Blubber." The criticisms led to depression and eating disorders. Today, Kate Winslet is healthy, she loves her body and her curves and refuses to play the 'super-skinny game'. "I'm happy with the way I am. I'm not like American film stars. I'm naturally curvy. This is me, like it or lump it. People think that if a woman isn't rail-thin, then there must be something wrong with her - it's such nonsense."

Sep 13 06 01:06 pm Link

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theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

Wes Hall wrote:

1. I see that you are intelligent enough to comprehend the intent of the first sentence. However, I do not apologize for offending anyone, espcially on this issue.
Did you read what I said about boob implants? Whoo!!!
And yes, I did mean that the model is not in control.  Moving on...

2. What other medium has fashion used to publicize itself? I want to know what they use outside of the media; tv, print, radio, and in person. Truth be told, we all are capable of believing whqtever we want. The problem is when people cease to think as a responsible individual within a larger group or body. Hence, the issue at hand.

3. Eating disorders...there are only three and here are their solutions:
          A. Anorexia: Eat!
          B. Bullemia:  Eat!...And you better not throw up!
          C. Obeisity: Stop eating so much!!!

The one thing that unifies these is EATING. You have to do it, so stop acting like it is not a mandatory requirement for STAYING ALIVE!

Oversimplify...No, just waiting on a real answer to the issue of "why do it?"

Ever heard of Ohkam's Razor ?

Heard it, but I understand it's not a good maxim by which to live your life or answer most questions.  Charming, but false.

Eating habits are the symptom of an underlying mental illness, and there are infinite variations on those three. None actually include obesity as an eating disorder. The third is actually ED NOS, which roughly translates to "we don't even have a name for what's wrong with you."

The answer for "why do it?" is different for everyone, but almost universally comes down to control.  ED's are very closely related to OCD.  Why do you have to turn around three times before you open the car door? Why do you pull out your eyebrows?  Why do you do anything that has no real benefit and makes you unhappy?  If you find a quick answer for that, the APA would love to hear it. Or maybe not, because it would put them out of work.

Sep 13 06 01:08 pm Link

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Lamonica wrote:
I hate people who think they know all the answers but just come across looking like jerks. If you were to ask most of the people who have had eating disorders (myself included), they won't say because of the media. Like someone pointed out before, it's a control isssue. A lot of times, the person has a variety of problems in their life that they can't control. So, they look at what they eat and their weight as something they can control. And considering a lot of magazines are putting down the actress who are ridiculously skinny, I don't see how they are promoting an unhealthy body image. If anything, all these people (who are morbidly obese, not plus sized) saying that big is beautiful and people should be happy with themselves are just pushing our countries obesity rate through the roof, instead of helping it.

Edit: To add on, I never thought of myself as "fat"... I've always been a small person. My eating disorder started because I liked the fact that I was "strong enough" to keep myself from eating. I loved the sense of control it gave me because the rest of my life felt like it was spiraling out of control. I not once looked at myself and said, "Hey, I wanna look like Dean Johnson". Most girls/guys don't when they have an eating disorder.

WHAT? Right...(Sarcastically) If you were "strong", you wouldn't have a "disorder."

Still, no legitimate explanation has been given.

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Wes Hall wrote:
WHAT? Right...(Sarcastically) If you were "strong", you wouldn't have a "disorder."

Still, no legitimate explanation has been given.

And thus we see that you are incapable, either by lack of empathy or by choice, to understand the thought process behind eating disorders. Therefore, there is no reason to further attempt to "explain."

Sep 13 06 01:15 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:

WHAT? Right...(Sarcastically) If you were "strong", you wouldn't have a "disorder."

Still, no legitimate explanation has been given.

Hence "strong enough" was in quotation.  Meaning,  I thought I was when I really wasn't. Are you completely illiterate. I gave you an explanation, you are obviously one of those people that think only what they believe is correct and everyone else doesn't make sense. Just like in the last thread you say everyone should be natural and be happy with the way they are, but how many hours exactly do you spend at the gym every week. I highly doubt those muscles came to you naturally. Everyone changes their body be it exercise or surgery, just becuase it's not the way you do it, doesn't make it wrong.

Sep 13 06 01:16 pm Link

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theda wrote:

And thus we see that you are incapable, either by lack of empathy or by choice, to understand the thought process behind eating disorders. Therefore, there is no reason to further attempt to "explain."

Once again Theda, you are brilliant. I love ya! smile

Sep 13 06 01:19 pm Link

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Theda, some physicians say that anorexia is common in bi-polar patients who have high seratonin levels. The chemicals, can't remember their names, put out by hunger/starvation "normalize" the way they feel by neutralizing the extra seratonin.

They have said that it is a way of self medicating in order not to suffer the severe depression these levels of seratonin inflict.

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Sep 13 06 01:23 pm Link

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Christopher Bush wrote:
up until a few years ago (at age 27 or so), i was about 130 lbs at 6ft tall (and i'm a guy!).  my waist was like a 28".  i could eat an entire pizza in one sitting, and often did.  now that i'm old, i'm more like 150 lbs - still thin, but no longer skinny.

I beat you.  I am older (I believe), I still weigh under 120lb.  smile  27-inch waist.  smile

lol

Sep 13 06 01:24 pm Link

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theda wrote:

And thus we see that you are incapable, either by lack of empathy or by choice, to understand the thought process behind eating disorders. Therefore, there is no reason to further attempt to "explain."

Don't run...!!!

Furthermore, I have more than enough evidence to support my position. And... I have repeatedly asked for a concrete answer, not solution, to the issue.

Another thing...the degrees( B.S. and M.B.A.) I have on my wall should prove as reference to my "capabilities."

Where are you getting your info from?

Sep 13 06 01:27 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:

Don't run...!!!

Furthermore, I have more than enough evidence to support my position. And... I have repeatedly asked for a concrete answer, not solution, to the issue.

Another thing...the degrees( B.S. and M.B.A.) I have on my wall should prove as reference to my "capabilities."

Where are you getting your info from?

Just because you have a B.S. and M.B.A doesn't mean you are all knowing. You claim to have evidence, but don't show any of it yourself. A degree means nothing if you can't back up your claims.

Sep 13 06 01:30 pm Link

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Lamonica wrote:

Hence "strong enough" was in quotation.  Meaning,  I thought I was when I really wasn't. Are you completely illiterate. I gave you an explanation, you are obviously one of those people that think only what they believe is correct and everyone else doesn't make sense. Just like in the last thread you say everyone should be natural and be happy with the way they are, but how many hours exactly do you spend at the gym every week. I highly doubt those muscles came to you naturally. Everyone changes their body be it exercise or surgery, just becuase it's not the way you do it, doesn't make it wrong.

I'm not illiterate or blind, so it makes it real easy for me to see a dumbass coming a mile away.

Can you swallow that?

I spend hours in the gym become I am an Athlete. First!
Secondly, exercise is healthy, unlike binging and purging yourself.
Anything done in excess can be harmful, but some shit shouldn't be done at all. You know...like all previously stated "ED's."

Sep 13 06 01:32 pm Link

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Lamonica wrote:

Just because you have a B.S. and M.B.A doesn't mean you are all knowing. You claim to have evidence, but don't show any of it yourself. A degree means nothing if you can't back up your claims.

I never said I was. Read... Back it up...it's right here. All you have to say is that you couldn't control yourself...

Sep 13 06 01:34 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:
Don't run...!!!

Furthermore, I have more than enough evidence to support my position. And... I have repeatedly asked for a concrete answer, not solution, to the issue.

Another thing...the degrees( B.S. and M.B.A.) I have on my wall should prove as reference to my "capabilities."

Where are you getting your info from?

You presented no evidence and no actual position You asked a question and decided the answers weren't to your liking, so they weren't answers at all.

An MBA does not indicate any expertise in psychology, nor does where you hang it. What's your BS in?

If you want to know where my "info" comes from, my BS is in psychology with a focus on psychopathology. I worked in a juvenile psychiatric facility for a while. If I get a little cloudy on the stats, I can always look them up in my DSM IV-TR or in one of my abnormal, personality, clinical or developmental texts.

Sep 13 06 01:35 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:
I never said I was. Read... Back it up...it's right here. All you have to say is that you couldn't control yourself...

Obviously you have reading comprehension problems because  I never said I could control myself. I simply stated that eating disorders give you a sense of control. Even though it's a false one.

Sep 13 06 01:37 pm Link

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theda wrote:

You presented no evidence and no actual position You asked a question and decided the answers weren't to your liking, so they weren't answers at all.

An MBA does not indicate any expertise in psychology, nor does where you hang it. What's your BS in?

If you want to know where my "info" comes from, my BS is in psychology with a focus on psychopathology. I worked in a juvenile psychiatric facility for a while. If I get a little cloudy on the stats, I can always look them up in my DSM IV-TR or in one of my abnormal, personality, clinical or developmental texts.

I completely agree with you. I can't stand when people throw around degrees that have nothing to do with what they are trying to argue. I'm not spouting what I think I know... I am speaking from personal experience. Not only have I dealt with it myself, I have counseled other young girls. Granted, I may not have my degree yet, but I at least have some idea of what I am talking about.

Sep 13 06 01:43 pm Link

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theda wrote:

You presented no evidence and no actual position You asked a question and decided the answers weren't to your liking, so they weren't answers at all.

An MBA does not indicate any expertise in psychology, nor does where you hang it. What's your BS in?

If you want to know where my "info" comes from, my BS is in psychology with a focus on psychopathology. I worked in a juvenile psychiatric facility for a while. If I get a little cloudy on the stats, I can always look them up in my DSM IV-TR or in one of my abnormal, personality, clinical or developmental texts.

First of all...You are right, this is all opinion. Very good.

My B.S. is in Communications/ RTV Broadcasting, with a Minor in Psycology. The MBA is just to let you know that I am not some novice with a laptop.
My mother is a shrink, also. Any questions...?


Finally, a substantiated position. For this, I thank you. Seriously. I am not out to destroy that which I don't understand, I seek to understand it. Anytime you want, to converse, I am availble and open. Thank you,  theda

Sep 13 06 01:44 pm Link

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Lamonica wrote:

Obviously you have reading comprehension problems because  I never said I could control myself. I simply stated that eating disorders give you a sense of control. Even though it's a false one.

Petty...

And...you did say that it was a manner of control...

Don't get mad. :-)

Sep 13 06 01:47 pm Link

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Lamonica wrote:
I completely agree with you. I can't stand when people throw around degrees that have nothing to do with what they are trying to argue. I'm not spouting what I think I know... I am speaking from personal experience. Not only have I dealt with it myself, I have counseled other young girls. Granted, I may not have my degree yet, but I at least have some idea of what I am talking about.

All you can do is "agree". Wonder why. Get a degree before you try to throw it.
And furthermore, the degree flaunting was in response to the inquery about my literacy and comprehension.  It was not as an authoritative-position proclamation.

Experience is worthless without wisdom gained and applyed. Good luck to you.

Sep 13 06 01:53 pm Link

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Christopher Bush wrote:
up until a few years ago (at age 27 or so), i was about 130 lbs at 6ft tall (and i'm a guy!).  my waist was like a 28".  i could eat an entire pizza in one sitting, and often did.  now that i'm old, i'm more like 150 lbs - still thin, but no longer skinny.

lll wrote:
I beat you.  I am older (I believe), I still weigh under 120lb.  smile  27-inch waist.  smile

I wonder if you two would be good grilled with peanut sauce and some little triangles of white toast....

Sep 13 06 01:53 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:

Petty...

And...you did say that it was a manner of control...

Don't get mad. :-)

Yes, I did... I see I have to break it down for you...

Most of the time, people start an eating disorder because it's the one thing in their life that they feel they can control.

It gives you a false sense of control, because you control when you eat, how much you eat, or if you eat at all.

Most of the time, they develop from underlying problems: depression, abuse (physical or sexual), etc.

Do you understand what I'm saying now? Or should I break it down further?

Sep 13 06 01:54 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:

All you can do is "agree". Wonder why. Get a degree before you try to throw it.
And furthermore, the degree flaunting was in response to my literacy and comprehension.  It was not as an authoritative-position proclamation.

Experience is worthless without wisdom gained and applyed. Good luck to you.

What is so wrong with agreeing with someone who actually made sense and could back up all the they were saying?

Sep 13 06 01:56 pm Link

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Lamonica wrote:

Yes, I did... I see I have to break it down for you...

Most of the time, people start an eating disorder because it's the one thing in their life that they feel they can control.

It gives you a false sense of control, because you control when you eat, how much you eat, or if you eat at all.

Most of the time, they develop from underlying problems: depression, abuse (physical or sexual), etc.

Do you understand what I'm saying now? Or should I break it down further?

It took me insulting you before you actually had something credible to say. WOW.
My concern is this: How does destroying your body help one to gain a better sense of control. To me, it shows the direct contrary. Capiche?

Seeing as you are 5'5" and 102 lbs. you don't need break down anything else. The only thing I would concider would be a salad, or maybe a bowl of cereal. No, no, a croissant. Hmm? Do you like croissants?

Sep 13 06 02:02 pm Link

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Lamonica wrote:

What is so wrong with agreeing with someone who actually made sense and could back up all the they were saying?

Back it up...? This is all Opinions...hello. You claim to be the expert, with experience, not me.

Sep 13 06 02:05 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:
It took me insulting you before you actually had something credible to say. WOW.
My concern is this: How does destroying your body help one to gain a better sense of control. To me, it shows the direct contrary. Capiche?

Seeing as you are 5'5" and 102 lbs. you don't need break down anything else. The only thing I would concider would be a salad, or maybe a bowl of cereal. No, no, a croissant. Hmm? Do you like croissants?

You know what... you are sooo quick to call someone else petty, and you have no problems making fun of someones weight. I know there is no name calling, but you are a complete asshole. As, I said in my previous post, I have always been a small person, and my eating disorder had nothing to do with weight. But for you to sit there and make fun of me because of my weight just shows your ignorance. There is no point in arguing with you because no matter what, you will always think you're right and you will always be a tool.

Edit: I never once claimed to be an expert, I just stated that I have had experience with this certain situation.

Sep 13 06 02:09 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:
It took me insulting you before you actually had something credible to say. WOW.
My concern is this: How does destroying your body help one to gain a better sense of control. To me, it shows the direct contrary. Capiche?

You're right--that sort of thinking is destructive and doesn't doesn't make sense. That's why it's a sickness. That's why people need treatment.

Wes Hall wrote:
Seeing as you are 5'5" and 102 lbs. you don't need break down anything else. The only thing I would concider would be a salad, or maybe a bowl of cereal. No, no, a croissant. Hmm? Do you like croissants?

That is so wrong. What do you hope to gain from taunting people like that? You're making yourself look really bad.

Sep 13 06 02:12 pm Link

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this thread seems to be off subject now....

maybe a new thread on anorexia is in order?

Star

Sep 13 06 02:14 pm Link

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Wes Hall wrote:
First of all...You are right, this is all opinion. Very good.

My B.S. is in Communications/ RTV Broadcasting, with a Minor in Psycology. The MBA is just to let you know that I am not some novice with a laptop.
My mother is a shrink, also. Any questions...?


Finally, a substantiated position. For this, I thank you. Seriously. I am not out to destroy that which I don't understand, I seek to understand it. Anytime you want, to converse, I am availble and open. Thank you,  theda

My father was an engineer, but I'm not going to tell you how to build a bridge. I don't buy education by osmosis. But you did at least make it past 100 level courses in the topic, so that's something. Still not impressed by the MBA.

You're trying to squeeze, pathological irrational behavior into a your personal view of logic. This approach is futile and until you abandon it, you're unlikey ever to get that explanation you seek.

Sep 13 06 02:19 pm Link

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Lamonica wrote:

You know what... you are sooo quick to call someone else petty, and you have no problems making fun of someones weight. I know there is no name calling, but you are a complete asshole. As, I said in my previous post, I have always been a small person, and my eating disorder had nothing to do with weight. But for you to sit there and make fun of me because of my weight just shows your ignorance. There is no point in arguing with you because no matter what, you will always think you're right and you will always be a tool.

Edit: I never once claimed to be an expert, I just stated that I have had experience with this certain situation.

Oh...did I upset the baby?

And check this...Asshole I may be, but I'm a 6'5" 215lbs. healthy asshole, and proud of it. Are you proud of your weight? I insulted you because you insulted me. As long as you respond in those tones, I will continue to ride you into the sunset. I don't think I'm right...fact is, I don't care.

Tool...
I am a proud asshole, but the one thing I'm not is a tool. Damn Right! Because I have a mother and other I care about, I will refrain from calling you a "Bitch" like I want to.

But, hate to run...I'm hungry as hell.

Until later...Wes
Obviously you need to calm that shit out. Cause the next time you come at me like that, you better have an army behind you. I hope that you can gain something from this, because I sure have.

Sep 13 06 02:21 pm Link

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_Cinnamon_ wrote:

Wes Hall wrote:
It took me insulting you before you actually had something credible to say. WOW.
My concern is this: How does destroying your body help one to gain a better sense of control. To me, it shows the direct contrary. Capiche?

You're right--that sort of thinking is destructive and doesn't doesn't make sense. That's why it's a sickness. That's why people need treatment.


That is so wrong. What do you hope to gain from taunting people like that? You're making yourself look really bad.

She started it.  (Little puppy face) :-)

Sep 13 06 02:22 pm Link

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Sep 13 06 02:23 pm Link

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They should only ban models that are on illegal drugs and/or have eating disorders. I know a lot of girls and some guys that are rail-thin naturally, thats just not fair to them. Leave the healthy ones alone.

I'm not a rail-thin model, hell, I have a hard time losing weight. Just recently I started to maintain a certain weight, I wish I could lose a little but I know its not going to happen because I just gain it back no matter what.

Sep 13 06 02:23 pm Link

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theda wrote:

My father was an engineer, but I'm not going to tell you how to build a bridge. I don't buy education by osmosis. But you did at least make it past 100 level courses in the topic, so that's something. Still not impressed by the MBA.

You're trying to squeeze, pathological irrational behavior into a your personal view of logic. This approach is futile and until you abandon it, you're unlikey ever to get that explanation you seek.

It is a rationale I seek. Nothing more...

Sep 13 06 02:23 pm Link