Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
Imho, the "line" is totally subjective, not olny open to interpretation, but the product of interpretation.

If it's appropriate in your eyes, than what others think really shouldn't matter.

I'm curious though...why do you ask?

said the spider to the fly ... LOL I am just kidding, Melvin

I have heard it is porn if you are looking into the camera , i have one in my port where i am looking into the camera... my legs are spread , and if you look close enogh you may be able to see a few pixels of pink ... I do not think this is porn... but I do think it would be in viewed totally different if i was looking away...

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
Imho, the "line" is totally subjective, not olny open to interpretation, but the product of interpretation.

If it's appropriate in your eyes, than what others think really shouldn't matter.

I'm curious though...why do you ask?

I agree with my good buddy melvin...porn is a word, people apply it as they choose to.

It really is as simple as that.

Porn is intended to arouse sexual desire, but then so is erotica, and so are ferrari's.

Porn really only has a negative connotation among open minded people I know because it is so often so poorly executed...when it is well done (say, like melvin's), they are more apt to call it "erotica" (and buy it).

Sweetspinsugar wrote:
You are correct on the image being a product of interperation because any conservative grandmother might be shocked at a photo of a woman in a nice dress with maybe "too much" cleavage showing.

However, between models and photographers when is it one thing and then something else entirely?

As a model, can I pass a frontal sqatting, knees open, doing the whole inverted "V" with my fingers in the pubic area pose as artistic nude or should I advertise I'm into erotic modeling as well?

Same for a photographer, what would he/she call that kind of photographic style and should he/she advertise that style as part of their realm?

Ask 100 photographers, you'll get 99 different answers, (and 1 just staring intently at your chest unable to articulate).

Perhaps it would be better to approach this from the standpoint of what you do not wish to do with whom (I have read your profile)....for even if you take the tamest route and say you do only "artistic nudes" with "exceptional photographers" you are STILL going to attract attention from the clowns you probably wish to avoid.

Call it what you wish, and carefully filter whom you wish to work it with.

e-string wrote:
So essentially, I won't do anything with legs spread.

nothing? *wink

oldguysrule wrote:

nothing? *wink

Off camera is a different story. lol

studio L wrote:
I agree with my good buddy melvin...porn is a word, people apply it as they choose to.

It really is as simple as that.

Porn is intended to arouse sexual desire, but then so is erotica, and so are ferrari's.

Porn really only has a negative connotation among open minded people I know because it is so often so poorly executed...when it is well done (say, like melvin's), they are more apt to call it "erotica" (and buy it).

What have you done with Studo L?

The line about ferraris is classic...I need to steal that for something or other.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

What have you done with Studo L?

The line about ferraris is classic...I need to steal that for something or other.

What ?!?

Sweetspinsugar wrote:
At what point is the line crossed from artistic into porn?

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studio L wrote:
Ask 100 photographers, you'll get 99 different answers, (and 1 just staring intently at your chest unable to articulate).

Sweetspinsugar wrote:
At what point is the line crossed from artistic into porn?

I think the exact moment is at insertion. Prior to that it technically is only titillation and NOT porn. Titillation is a technique many fine art photographers have used since the very beginning of the Roman empire  and dates from the discovery of cement which was used to pave the Apian Way, an historic event that was saved for the ages by the leading recordist of the times, Hermes, who later went on to discover the hand bag.

jimmyd wrote:
For the purpose of defining porn, as opposed to glamour and/or erotic photography, I've developed a self-explanatory checklist to help anyone determine whether an image is pornographic, that is, pornographic in terms of its sexual content or sexually implicit content. I call this checklist The Three P's.

Here they are:

Penis (Erect)
Pink (You know what I mean.)
Penetration (Again, you know what I mean.)

If your image contains any or all of the above, it is, more than likely, a pornographic image. If it does not, it probably is not... porn, that is.

So what you're saying is if I'm standing tall next to a female rockstar and I'm staring with conviction into the camera, I'm porn. I resent that!

Sweetspinsugar wrote:
Hello all, I as a model have a question to pose to photographers and to models who regularly (or not) shoot/pose nudes...

At what point is the line crossed from artistic into porn?

I have seen shots of a model's crotch area up close yet it was still tasteful and very feminine. I believe since it was a frontal shot and not, shall we say down in-between, it conveyed femininity without the raunchy feel of crotch in your face.

But am I wrong in thinking if the shot requires open leg shots, it has now ventured into questionable territory? I understand the model and photographer have to have an agreement beforehand on what type of shoot they are after e.i. classic nude verses erotic nudes and should adhere to the style.

But from a photographer’s point of view-what is appropriate and what is not?

And from a model’s point of view-what is going too far for a model who didn’t sign up for an erotic photoshoot?

Thanks for your responses.

-Spin

It's all in the eye of the beholder, like beauty.  It also depends heavily on the viewers religous/cultural background, because everybody has different standards of morality and values.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

So what you're saying is if I'm standing tall next to a female rockstar and I'm staring with conviction into the camera, I'm porn. I resent that!

interesting spin on my words.

Sweetspinsugar wrote:
Hello all, I as a model have a question to pose to photographers and to models who regularly (or not) shoot/pose nudes...

At what point is the line crossed from artistic into porn?

I have seen shots of a model's crotch area up close yet it was still tasteful and very feminine. I believe since it was a frontal shot and not, shall we say down in-between, it conveyed femininity without the raunchy feel of crotch in your face.

But am I wrong in thinking if the shot requires open leg shots, it has now ventured into questionable territory? I understand the model and photographer have to have an agreement beforehand on what type of shoot they are after e.i. classic nude verses erotic nudes and should adhere to the style.

But from a photographer’s point of view-what is appropriate and what is not?

And from a model’s point of view-what is going too far for a model who didn’t sign up for an erotic photoshoot?

Thanks for your responses.

-Spin

I believe what you are asking is similar to someone asking the difference between sex and making love.  Not only will you get different answers from everyone questioned, but ask them in another 10 years and you will, more than likely, another set of totally different responses.  Not that many years back it was considered pornographic to show any pubic hair of a woman, any bit of a man's penis or anything that implied that a mans genitals were touching a woman's at all. 

Society changes, individuals change and grow in understanding.  The bottom line is what feels right to you.  Are you going to be governed by what others tell you is the static line between Artistic and Porn...or...are you going to be a person with a mind and heart of their own and make a decision based on your own feelings, insight and comfort zone; which is always constantly in a state of flux as well depending on any given situation.

This is one case where you have to search your own soul and make your own decision about how you view your body and others bodies.  The only advice I could even start to give you is to constantly examine and re-evaluate your opinions and then realize them for what they are....your opinions. 

You stated in the beginning your opinion, "I believe since it was a frontal shot and not, shall we say down in-between, it conveyed femininity without the raunchy feel of crotch in your face."  Here is my opinion, "I believe the female genitalia is beautiful, no two are exactly the same and yet all speak of femininity where life as we know it begins.  To me it is like the bud of the human orchid, varying in size, coloration and texture...some are open, some are closed, but all are beautiful." 

Two opinions of the same exact thing, different as night and day, neither right and neither wrong...simply opinions of how two different individuals view life.