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Photographer

BTHPhoto

Posts: 6985

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

Model showed up for a shoot this evening.  I told her we'd start out with some portaits with the view camera, then shoot some 120 flim.  She objected, said she didn't want any "old fashioned" stuff.  She thought a professional should know how to use modern equipment.  Pulled out the 20D and she was happy as a jay bird.  Kinda made me feel old.

Aug 18 06 10:41 pm Link

Photographer

Ray Savage

Posts: 926

Encinitas, California, US

SHE objected?   lol   What an amazing world.

R

Aug 18 06 10:44 pm Link

Photographer

MF productions

Posts: 2064

San Jose, California, US

should have told her to bail.

Aug 18 06 10:44 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

yep... and when they tell you they don't like the final images because they're not over sharpened, over saturated and generally trashed, you'll feel older still.

this is part of why i retired, and one reason even for personal projects i dont tfp.

Aug 18 06 10:45 pm Link

Model

e-string

Posts: 24002

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Equipment makes a difference to me if I show up and he has a point-and-shoot and a bright light on a tripod he got at Menards. smile

Aug 18 06 10:48 pm Link

Photographer

Platow

Posts: 18

Garfield, New Jersey, US

Thats so outta the town?  I'm Ditital and my husbands Film, people of all ages feel more comfortable with his then mine. People are just Weird, I guess that what it all comes down to.

Aug 18 06 10:50 pm Link

Photographer

Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

Wow, that's a little scary! I had a model express concern because my "camera is weird looking." I had a digital Rebel with Stroboframe bracket for the flash. She was also concerned that I didn't know that you don't need to use a flash when shooting outside in the sun. Happily she liked the pictures and I hope learned a bit about photography.

Aug 18 06 10:51 pm Link

Photographer

Andre Knudsen

Posts: 206

REGO PARK, New York, US

One of the hottest high fashion shooters here in NYC swings around a big view camera on a big tripod.

Aug 18 06 10:53 pm Link

Photographer

Arobeck

Posts: 175

Perth, Western Australia, Australia

you ARE the photographer
She is the model
establish that from the start and get on with the project.

If the model has a degree in photography and talks 'smack' then there may be room for debate.

Aug 18 06 10:56 pm Link

Photographer

James Graham

Posts: 741

Brooklyn, New York, US

WKOSFQIT?

Don't make me tell you wht it means, Theda WILL send me a warning...

Aug 18 06 10:58 pm Link

Photographer

BTHPhoto

Posts: 6985

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

Arobeck wrote:
you ARE the photographer
She is the model
establish that from the start and get on with the project.

If the model has a degree in photography and talks 'smack' then there may be room for debate.

I'd agree, except that she was paying for a portfolio shoot, which makes her a paying client as well as a model.   She want's digital, she gets digital.  Still made me feel old, though.

Aug 18 06 11:00 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

James Graham wrote:
WKOSFQIT?

Don't make me tell you wht it means, Theda WILL send me a warning...

*snort

Aug 18 06 11:01 pm Link

Photographer

Photografika

Posts: 73

Utica, Michigan, US

Suzan  Illustration wrote:
I'm Ditital and my husbands Film...

Ditital? Is that a female-exclusive camera? I've gotta get one of those for my wife...

Aug 18 06 11:01 pm Link

Photographer

BTHPhoto

Posts: 6985

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

James Graham wrote:
WKOSFQIT?

Don't make me tell you wht it means, Theda WILL send me a warning...

Theda, please give him a pass this time... I need to know. smile

Aug 18 06 11:02 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

Starview Studio wrote:
Ditital? Is that a female-exclusive camera? I've gotta get one of those for my wife...

this is a typo. it's diddletal. and as to hubbies film... ummm ... just eww

edit... ps if we are going to judge the quality of the potential by a photographer's package, just what kind of models are we raising here?

Aug 18 06 11:04 pm Link

Model

K-A

Posts: 724

Healdsburg, California, US

Models, does equipment make a difference to you?
depends what kind of "equipment" you're referring to. tongue

Aug 18 06 11:06 pm Link

Photographer

BTHPhoto

Posts: 6985

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

Kristin Anne wrote:
Models, does equipment make a difference to you?
depends what kind of "equipment" you're referring to. tongue

Take your pick.  I meant cameras, but if you've got something else in mind, I'm open to suggestions. smile

Aug 18 06 11:08 pm Link

Model

Lucrecia

Posts: 121

Austin, Texas, US

I think it's all abou the result...It doesn't matter if its with a disposable camera tongue

Lucrecia

Aug 18 06 11:08 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

Tim Hammond wrote:
Model showed up for a shoot this evening.  I told her we'd start out with some portaits with the view camera, then shoot some 120 flim.  She objected, said she didn't want any "old fashioned" stuff.  She thought a professional should know how to use modern equipment.  Pulled out the 20D and she was happy as a jay bird.  Kinda made me feel old.

LOL.

This happened to me once, specifically.   I had a manual camera out (leica) and the model's eyes got wide.  She said, "you're not going to shoot me with that are you?"
I was like, "Uh yeah, why not?" 
"I wasn't expecting you were going to use a toy camera."


So now before I work with models I kinda go through the litany of weirdo shit I use for lighting, funky toy and manual cameras, etc.  If I catch any attitude I take it as another part of an early warning system to abort.

Aug 18 06 11:13 pm Link

Photographer

Arwendur

Posts: 35

Worcester, England, United Kingdom

Lucrecia wrote:
I think it's all abou the result...It doesn't matter if its with a disposable camera tongue

Lucrecia

Good point there, I use a DSLR, a disposable after a couple of years smile

Aug 18 06 11:13 pm Link

Photographer

JimNew

Posts: 844

Los Angeles, California, US

In my experience the old gear has a mystique to it; models and others that see my old Deardorff or Widelux or Kodak Stereo camera are usually enamored by them. Most people I know think the old school stuff is cooler. As was just stated, all that matter is the final product, not the equipment.

I guess one could have samples of brilliant photos taken with $20 cameras, view cameras, etc. and show the model the result without saying which camera was used. Ask which print they like best and use that camera. But digital defintely makes sense for a model needing a portfolio.

Aug 18 06 11:13 pm Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

Tim Hammond wrote:
Model showed up for a shoot this evening.  I told her we'd start out with some portaits with the view camera, then shoot some 120 flim.  She objected, said she didn't want any "old fashioned" stuff.  She thought a professional should know how to use modern equipment.  Pulled out the 20D and she was happy as a jay bird.  Kinda made me feel old.

You sir, are a true professional and if I had a hat I'd doff it to you..

I shoot all digital, and in spite of that I don't think I would have been able to stop laughing at this person..

The fact that you not only held composure, but completed the shoot without having an aneurism from suppressed hysteria is commendible!

Aug 18 06 11:17 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

just watch the expression when out comes the TRL

Aug 18 06 11:18 pm Link

Photographer

Ryan Colford Studios

Posts: 2286

Brooklyn, New York, US

James Graham wrote:
WKOSFQIT?

Don't make me tell you wht it means, Theda WILL send me a warning...

Oh man, I need to know that that means...epecially if it'll getcha a warning.

Aug 18 06 11:22 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

oldguysrule wrote:
just watch the expression when out comes the TRL

I imagine she'd want to be on Total Request Live...

Aug 18 06 11:29 pm Link

Photographer

Done and Gone

Posts: 7650

Chiredzi, Masvingo, Zimbabwe

oldguysrule wrote:
just watch the expression when out comes the TRL

You mean TLR? Used to use a Mamiya. It took great pictures plus you could create openings in brick walls with it!! Couple of good tosses and it went right through!!

Aug 18 06 11:32 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Diaz

Posts: 65617

Danbury, Connecticut, US

oldguysrule wrote:
just watch the expression when out comes the TRL

I wish I could find a photo of Philippe Halsman's lare format TLR...

Aug 18 06 11:33 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

Michael L. wrote:

You mean TLR? Used to use a Mamiya. It took great pictures plus you could create openings in brick walls with it!! Couple of good tosses and it went right through!!

lol yep... intentional tease... i have a rollei tlr 2.8 (zeiss planar)
i love it

Aug 18 06 11:36 pm Link

Photographer

Dean Solo

Posts: 1064

Miami, Arizona, US

oldguysrule wrote:
ps if we are going to judge the quality of the potential by a photographer's package, just what kind of models are we raising here?

Tim Hammond wrote:
Pulled out the 20D and she was happy as a jay bird.

I was just thinking the same, did she gasp when you pulled out the old 20D!

I guess she won't be doing any Gucci campaigns with Terry Richardson (he used a point and shoot for one of their campaigns).

Aug 18 06 11:42 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

Dean Solo wrote:

oldguysrule wrote:
ps if we are going to judge the quality of the potential by a photographer's package, just what kind of models are we raising here?

I was just thinking the same, did she gasp when you pulled out the old 20D!

I guess she won't be doing any Gucci campaigns with Terry Richardson (he used a point and shoot for one of their campaigns).

always happy to have my package compared to Terry's.... and they always gasp when it's pulled out.

Aug 18 06 11:45 pm Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

oldguysrule wrote:

always happy to have my package compared to Terry's.... and they always gasp when it's pulled out.

I believe gasping through clenched teeth is actually called snickering.. wink

Aug 18 06 11:47 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

W.G. Rowland wrote:

I believe gasping through clenched teeth is actually called snickering.. wink

shhhh... the vocab test isn't until next tuesday!

Aug 18 06 11:49 pm Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

oldguysrule wrote:

shhhh... the vocab test isn't until next tuesday!

I'm STILL waiting for your essay question!

Aug 18 06 11:50 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

if the artist is good, anything will work, including a pencil

Aug 18 06 11:51 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

W.G. Rowland wrote:
I'm STILL waiting for your essay question!

my equipment... ummm... mean pencil broke

Aug 18 06 11:52 pm Link

Photographer

Dean Solo

Posts: 1064

Miami, Arizona, US

Click Hamilton wrote:
if the artist is good, he can use anything, including a pencil

Not familiar with those, is a pencil digital or film?

Aug 18 06 11:53 pm Link

Model

litlaur

Posts: 18

Atlanta, Georgia, US

If I like the photographer's work, I don't care what they use.

Aug 18 06 11:53 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

Dean Solo wrote:

Not familiar with those, is a pencil digital or film?

analog

Aug 18 06 11:55 pm Link

Photographer

Dean Solo

Posts: 1064

Miami, Arizona, US

litlaur wrote:
If I like the photographer's work, I don't care what they use.

I think H R PuffinStuff used a Bananacam.

Aug 18 06 11:55 pm Link

Photographer

Click Hamilton

Posts: 36555

San Diego, California, US

My favorite is a Kodak Duaflex II with Kodet Lens, and I never put film in it.

https://mishilo.image.pbase.com/o4/58/623858/1/54768891.2006010917733w.jpg

Aug 18 06 11:57 pm Link