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Photogs shot at, beaten up by model's boyfriends?
Fellow photographers, just curious about your experiences getting threatened/assualted by neanderthal boyfriends/dads of girls you approach to shoot or shoot with, especially if you haven't touched the girls or gotten them naked. For example, gave out my card to a gorgeous Russian (I know, I know I am just asking for it) girl and 10 mins later.. yep neanderthal on the line calling me and threatening me. I wont stop doing it (scouting for new girls) and I imagine my appearance will change as a result, but think it's an issue that needs to be publicised more. Funny gals ask to bring their BF's to shoots sometimes but what about the photographers safety in this business? I will be buying some pepper spray/mace though. all the best Mark Jul 16 06 01:31 pm Link Tazer; keep it close. Jul 16 06 01:35 pm Link The heart of a man can be strange, The heart to control what they feel is their own always come into play. Low self esteem, posessiveness, general insecurity and self hatred plus the model's own heart to be posessed plays part. Perhaps she is insecure as well and used it to fight or anger him for what she may be thinking he is doing on the side... Just be careful, but its all possible in the game... I would make sure to meet in public places and not bring them in studio until you are sure they are safe to have around. Jul 16 06 01:38 pm Link HK USP compact .40 and Concealed Carry Weapons permit. I have yet to be threatened though. I imagine it will happen eventually. Aaron Jul 16 06 01:38 pm Link I have heard of more than one photographer who keeps a Glock handy for just such emergencies. I have been truly lucky to have not experienced this phenomenon yet, but if and when Wisconsin passes a "conceal & carry" law I would consider adding one more tool to my camera bag. Jul 16 06 01:39 pm Link Not everyone wants to be a model.. More importantly.. Not everyone with the person wants that person to be a model.. It's stories like these that will keep me looking for my models in MM land.. After all I'd rather have a flake call and tell me she broke a nail than have to call an ambulance..  Jul 16 06 01:40 pm Link Just finished a shoot a couple of hours ago. Model was on time... boyfriend was 40 minutes late.. and guess what? He turned out to be a very able helper with my reflector. Nice guy. I have had bad experiences but decided to share a good one to counter act the 100s of bad stories that I am sure to follow. ;o) Jul 16 06 01:40 pm Link I got a nasty call from a husband asking if I was shooting nudes of his wife. It was hot as hell and she was wearing a tube top and since she is tall and lanky .. and the headshot photo was cropped it did look like she could have been nude.. But.. it her husband doesn't trust her.. I figure that's his issue not mine Jul 16 06 01:40 pm Link Bullhead Photography wrote: funny.. he did not trust her so he decided to ask you, the photographer? Jul 16 06 01:43 pm Link My fiance trusts me and has been there a couple times for a shoot I think that it is the models responsiability to have a healthy relationship or warn the photographer that their could be an issue. Afterall this is a job right? Jul 16 06 01:45 pm Link lol. The boyfriend/protector clown can threaten me all he wants ... I GOT GUNS!!!  Jul 16 06 01:45 pm Link Bryan Benoit wrote: Maybe she has a history.. or he is very insecure. she is gorgeous Jul 16 06 01:46 pm Link I was in Denver airport in 1989 and there was a young girl there, about 14 years old. She was sitting in a pool of light and looked exactly like Vermeer's "girl with pearl earring" - in blue jeans and with a red bandanna twined in her hair. She was captivating. I walked over and asked her if I could take her picture (I had my Hasselblad 500cm with me) and she got all giggly and said "OK" -- and then I felt their breath on the back of my neck. It turned out she was a cheerleader and the entire football team of a mormon high school had gathered behind me and were deciding which body-part to rip off first. The whole situation was defused when the faculty member responsible for the team came over and I told him about the Vermeer thing and the teacher looked at her and said, "Wow! You're RIGHT!" and then it was all OK. mjr. Jul 16 06 01:47 pm Link Bryan Benoit wrote: I have also had very good luck. I had an escort come over that wouldn't sit down - just had to watch. Turns out he was a photographer seeing what he could learn. We struck up a nice conversation. It couldn't have been more pleasant once we got to know each other. Jul 16 06 01:50 pm Link Bullhead Photography wrote: the curse of the beautiful... I will never know. ;o) Jul 16 06 01:54 pm Link Bryan Benoit wrote: You find that odd? Man just because one is asking you a question doesn't mean that it is directed at you. Man this stuff goes on all of the time and more often than you might think. Jul 16 06 01:57 pm Link All uncooperative boyfriends are sold into photo slavery. We superglue reflectors into their hands, turn them into prop gophers and force them to drag the cooler full of drinks up and down the beach... Jul 16 06 01:59 pm Link Approaching girls to arrange a shoot is tricky. It's not so much that you might be hiting on a gal that gets the BFs upset, as the possibility that their GFs might attain some level of independance as a result of your "making them a star." If a gal has a BF that is such a neanderthal that he resorts to threats and acts of violence than she deserves to be forever glued to that madness. You should know, such a woman or girl is not beautiful, even if she looks like it. You'll just feel sorry for her when you get to know her at the shoot, and your pictures will reflect that she is not much more than a possesion. But in a nutshell, I don't approach gals to shoot from the streets. I think it's somewhat innapropriate as it sets up a mindset that negatively impacts the workflow. It helps though, if you're married or have a girlfriend with you, to have them make the initial contact. it's much less alarming to the model prospect. Outside of that. . . get a gun, learn to use it, have it available, and be unafraid. Aloha Tim Orden Jul 16 06 02:01 pm Link Select Models wrote: I use the opposite approach. I tie them up then screw their girlfriend while they are forced to watch. Jul 16 06 02:02 pm Link Select Models wrote: Oh you know it. I put their asses to work. But I also know too, that you have to watch what's going on between both the model and her guy. Sometimes people like to drag you into their little luv making him jeolous games. Jul 16 06 02:03 pm Link I've actually been killed by boyfriends/bodyguards. Twice. One guy is still in jail and the other is on the loose -- he was REALLY good at it and left no evidence. Cops are baffled. I want to tell you, getting murdered in the middle of a terrific photo session is just, well, MURDER on a career. What a hassle! Funeral with not even HALF of my so-called friends showing up. That cremation ain't no walk in the park, either. Whew. Gotta get reincarnated, start all over again, learn ANOTHER set of tools, build another reputation, and then it happens again! Some Knife and Gun Club dude shows up just as his girlfriend drops her undies. I'm getting better at filtering out the fellas, though. I'm fed up with spilling everything I contain all over the studio floor. Jul 16 06 02:04 pm Link ADGibson wrote: Hey, I have the exact same combo. Nice gun! Jul 16 06 02:05 pm Link John Jebbia wrote: Wow JJ... well all I can say... is I hope you have one HELL of a fast car when those ropes get untied... lol... Jul 16 06 02:05 pm Link Len Cook Photographer wrote: so I'm going to assume that you are telling us this story from heaven? Jul 16 06 02:06 pm Link Select Models wrote: Usually they're too crushed by watching their girlfriend moan with pleasure to do anything. Jul 16 06 02:07 pm Link John Jebbia wrote: Yeah right JJ... lol... someone's gonna get 'crushed' alright... HaHa! My recommendation?... lose the 'Delusions of Grandeur'... but DONT lose the keys to that fast car... Jul 16 06 02:17 pm Link LarryB wrote: HK is what Glock wishes it grows up to be. Jul 16 06 02:20 pm Link ADGibson wrote: glocks are nice, but there to light.. i prefer my beretta brigadier if i empty the mag its heavy enought to beat them with.. HAHA jk.. Jul 16 06 02:24 pm Link I had one married model that didn't read or understand our e-mail exchange. She also managed to not listen to my discussion about my test policies. After the session, she decided on her own version of the agreement and when I didn't agree with her, the husband call. He got his blood pressure up and kindly mentioned that he was a ex-marine. I said that was nice, but didn't affect my agreement with his wife and referred him to the e-mails. Now, I'm very calm, but after thinking about this, I mentioned it to a friend who's husband is a ex-marine and a sargent in the local police department (we go to the range every week). Later that week, I got another call from the model's husband who apologized profusely. Glocks OK, but a bit over rated. A Colt Combat Commander in .38 Super customized by Wilson Combat with nice handloads or a Sig 228 is a tad better. Jul 16 06 02:30 pm Link Rachel D wrote: I think if you have to warn the photographer you shouldn't be in the relationship, or at least shouldn't be modelling. Jul 16 06 02:31 pm Link Chris Oakley wrote: I don't care for the Brig, too long of a trigger pull, can't wait to get the new H&K though. Jul 16 06 02:32 pm Link If a girls fellow is going to unjustly batter a photogrpaher... why the hell is she with him!? 0_o Or if she is with him & he really does not like being a model... & If she loves him she probally shouldn't be one lol A tog I've worked with before told me a story once about a jealous b.f after he put a 'x' at the end of an e-mail response to the girl (Just an 'x' in the friendly sense we all do by the way) & then apparently the guy saw the e-mail & went nuts! He accused the girl of having an affair etc.... ...Some people really do have some issues! 0_o xDDx Jul 16 06 02:43 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: Can't have one of them in the UK but a Manfrotto monopod with a home made 2" ice spike seems to work. Jul 16 06 02:43 pm Link *Takes notes on who on MM keeps guns in studios and carries them about* Jul 16 06 02:58 pm Link I've dealt with pushy/annoying bf's on a shoot a few times (one kept trying to tell me how to take my shots, the other kept pushing the girl to take MORE off & made her uncomfortable), but I've only been THREATENED once. It was mainly a business dispute (the model had hired me, and was unhappy with some of the work and insisted on a full refund including MUA fees PLUS all the photos & negatives, and turned down my offer of a refund minus MUA fee & all the pics & negatives shredded in front of her...this was pre digital). Her bf called & threatened to kill me in a VERY detailed fashion, but he was a dumbass. I wasn't home, and he left it as a message on my pre-digital answering machine. Which meant I had a tape to take to the cops. Duh! Jul 16 06 02:59 pm Link Iona Lynn wrote: You have to keep in mind that the southeast & southwest US are VERY different than the east & west coast Jul 16 06 03:05 pm Link Leonard Gee Photography wrote: I could make a comment here citing stereotypes, but I'll be a nice guy :-D Jul 16 06 03:07 pm Link Mark wrote: Simple - when he calls, get the arrogant SOB's information - Let him know you are filing a police report - file a police report. Jul 16 06 03:08 pm Link my only complaint and it has ONLY happened once or twice is when i pose the model and she gets the "OK" to be posed like that...BEFORE EVERY SHOT----that bugs the crap out of me....if some jealous BF wanted to do something...i welcome that. that might be a bad idea on his part---a couple o years in the military,years of grappling, boxing and martial arts... be MY guest. i'm there to capture images and help "HIS" girl become profitable....ONLY an idiot would stop that. so are the girls not being honest about stuff? i'm ok with the WARRIOR POET thing but sheesh just walk.... i'm going to have to avoid the girls some of you guys shoot and YOU too you gun toting cowboys!! Jul 16 06 03:10 pm Link whats your man go to do with me? Jul 16 06 03:10 pm Link |
