MichaelBell wrote:
Thats ridiculous, especially in Florida with models in bikinis everywhere. You should be able to get topless/nude for $125/hr. Move on, shes obviously clueless.

Yes I have had a lot of offers for $100 for nudes with very attractive models with experience. TFP/TCD for swimwear. I am trying to set up a heavy shooting schedule for after I move back to downtown St Pete this weekend to revamp my port.

Nic

John W Cochran wrote:
I agree with last two, find another model.

Yeah, God forbid a model wants to get paid! Onward through the fog!

Ashley Belle wrote:
ha... that is pretty funny...
i guess rates are different depending on location, but usually its standard swimwear- $... casul-$... lingerie-$... etc etc etc


model swimwear rate- $125

model nude rate- $200 and up

chance model will show- not likely

camera equipment-$oh thousands and up

a decent mua- atleast $200 and up

finding a real model that makes the shoot worth it- priceless! there are some things in life money can buy, for everything else... theres model mayhem1

Finding a model that makes a commitment, when the photographer resets his schedule to work with the model that is "worth it" .... and she is a no show / no call - Costly ! 

Contact Ash Flake should you want to experience this first hand !

MichaelNicoletti wrote:
Is is normal/common for a model to have different rates for different styles of swimwear?

I contacted a model and she sent me back her rates here is what she said...

Depending on the swimwear:
full coverage 65/hour
brazillian 85/hour
thong 125/hour

Ok I 'm fairly new to the scene but I have never heard of this is. Is this common? To break down the rate by cut of the suit? How many of you have run across this please?

Nic

Hello: I wonder what is a brazilian swimwear ...we use full coverage, bikinis and tangas (thongs) in Brasil and Argentina.
Models in my places use to get paid by the hour, an entire shooting or we get paid by the agencies, using swimwear or any cloth.
Its all about the time, not the cloth.
Cheers, Geo

Afablb wrote:
1 boob small nipple = $5

2 boob = $ 7.95

Ass crack = $ 10

Big nipple bonus = .50 per nip

Front full nude = $ 17.85

Full open legs = $ 19.99


Great face, great eyes wonderful expression....... Priceless !

FA

That is the funniest post I've read in weeks! Thanks for making my day...

Avicdar wrote:
Not to hijack the thread (I think this is related) but I have always wondered about this:

Scenario: Model A charges 50 dollars an hour for fashion, 75 for swimwear, 100 for nude.

You do a three hour shoot with this model.  You spend a total of 2.5 hours shooting fashion, and 30 minutes shooting nude.

Should the model charge you 100 per hour because she did nude at all?  How is this typically handled?

Would be curious to see how people are approaching this.

Work it out with your model and agree on what seems fair to both.

Nick Ryder wrote:

Yeah, God forbid a model wants to get paid! Onward through the fog!

I'm all for the models getting paid, but I believe the way her scale is set up is not like any  models I've talk with. 

Most have rates for glamour,lingerie, fashion, implied, or nude, all of which mean different things to different people.  If she can find photographer to pay her rates then good for her, I would not do a break down like that myself.

The models I've paid have been paid an agreed up on amount for the whole shoot, and the ones that have paid me paid an agreed upon rate for my time and services.

Aperture Photographics wrote:
Models....it's THEIR body, THEY have a right to set their own prices.

Photographers, we also have a right to set our own prices or to pay or not pay for a model as we see fit.

Complaining about a model's rates is tacky and unprofessional.

I never complained just simply asked a question of those who know more in the industry if this is standard so that I am better informed.

I do not have an issue with the rates I just had never heard of them being broken down this way.

Make sense? I have not seen anyone else post that this is the norm. Have you?

Nice port BTW! I hope to achieve your level of quality soon! Then surpass it! ~ Hey a guy can dream right! (lol)

Nic

Me to so I asked and hereis what she said and what I said.. I will change her name for obvious reasons...


Unnamed model....

I am not doing TFP.
My rates depend on the project
Lingere 1-3 hours can run $150-$250 depending on the style of lingere
Implied nudity 1 hour $150
Lifestyle/editorial $45/hour

Thanks!

Unnamed model

MichaelNicoletti
05/09/06 3:29 PM
(Message read)  Thats sounds fair. Let me get moved in and we can talk about setting up a shoot. How about swimwear rates? Whats your schedule look like for late may and early june? 

05/09/06 7:03 PM
Nic,

I am booked solid through the first week in June....

Depending on the swimwear:
full coverage 65/hour
brazillian 85/hour
thong 125/hour

Thanks; Unnamed model

MichaelNicoletti
05/09/06 8:14 PM
(Message read)  You have different rates for different style suits? 

Unnamed model
yep. the more my butt shoes, the higher my rates!


MichaelNicoletti
05/09/06 10:38 PM
(Message read)  An expensive ass huh? Whats a Brazillian? (lol) I'm not familiar. And this would all be in your suits.

Hows mid to late June on a weekend? Whats open?

Nic  


Unnamed model
05/10/06 9:20 AM
Oh! I'm sorry, I confused you w/ someone earlier who was inquiring about my rates for THEIR swimwear. If it's my suits, I will do 65/hour.

FYI: Brazillian is VERY SMALL bottoms!!!

I am open anytime on the weekend of the 30th of June. But headsup, I may have to post-pone (you would have at least a weeks notice...I think) because my fiance is scheduled to come home from Afghanistan anywhere from late June to mid July. I'm anticipating mid July, however if I find out he is coming home that weekend, I would have to post-pone w/ you....he's been gone a year!

Unnamed model


MichaelNicoletti
05/10/06 10:03 AM
(Unread)  So your's are all "Granny Pannies"? (lol) Just kidding. I really am not familiar with womens fashion...(Obviously! lol) Are these like yours? The style we are talking about?

(Sent link from shots she had in her profile here on MM as examples)

This is all for my port, not for monetary gain etc. I'm just trying to make sure we are on the same page to eleviate any confusion. I'm fairly new to all this. I'm looking for a little looser look from you. Not so catalog looking poses. More Glamour type swimsuit I guess you would say. Playful stuff teasing the camera. Interesting poses, etc. Know what I mean? I'm having a hard time putting into words what I envision from our shoot. Sexy not slutty but something that grabs the viewer and does not look so commercial I guess. Make sense?


I totally understand about you might having to move the date and it's not a problem at all with a weeks notice. Especially for that reason! It's got to be tough to be away from the one you love for so long.

The weekend of June 30th is the 4th of July weekend. Shall we set it up tentatively and you can confirm with me a week or so before?

Nic


*****End of interaction so far. ******

This was all posted jut to be fair as to explain my confusion and asking whether or not this is the norm. To "Edjumekate" me better! (lol)

Nic

Avicdar wrote:
Not to hijack the thread (I think this is related) but I have always wondered about this:

Scenario: Model A charges 50 dollars an hour for fashion, 75 for swimwear, 100 for nude.

You do a three hour shoot with this model.  You spend a total of 2.5 hours shooting fashion, and 30 minutes shooting nude.

Should the model charge you 100 per hour because she did nude at all?  How is this typically handled?

Would be curious to see how people are approaching this.

The way I see it if they want to break it down... So do I!  (lol)

John W Cochran wrote:
I'm all for the models getting paid, but I believe the way her scale is set up is not like any models I've talk with. 

Most have rates for glamour, lingerie, fashion, implied, or nude, all of which mean different things to different people.  If she can find photographer to pay her rates then good for her, I would not do a break down like that myself.

The models I've paid have been paid an agreed up on amount for the whole shoot, and the ones that have paid me paid an agreed upon rate for my time and services.

Well her rates are not bad at all for what she brings to the table especially as she is willing to go as low as $65 an hour and according to her port and profile is a published model (yet to be determined but believed) It was just the whole curved scale I had never heard of and wondered if this was the norm and that I would run into it again. So when I was doing a shoot and a model said.

"oh wait...If I am going to wear this suit the price will now double!" And my response would normally be... "Really now? Hmm! Gee I guess our whole deal is now off and you just wasted my time! See ya! No money! No images! All deleted and we call it a wash sweetheart!" as I pack up my couple thousand dollars of equipment and carry it off the beach looking for a tiki bar and a tourist who wants some free pics! Out of my own  stupidity for not knowing any better (lol)

Ya gotta love Florida though! (lol) Theres always a ton of bikinis on the beach!

Nic

J Merrill Images wrote:
One of the things that cracks me up about these discussions is that the best models that I have shot with have all done so on a TFCD basis. They didn't ask for money and were paid no money. The shoots, which included implieds, full nudes and a mix of other styles, were done simply because we both wished to do so. No hassles, no "tude," no silly demands - nada. Just delightful women participating in fun shoots in which we both felt that we gained something valuable.

I so agree!

MichaelNicoletti wrote:

I never complained just simply asked a question of those who know more in the industry if this is standard so that I am better informed.

I do not have an issue with the rates I just had never heard of them being broken down this way.

Make sense? I have not seen anyone else post that this is the norm. Have you?

Nice port BTW! I hope to achieve your level of quality soon! Then surpass it! ~ Hey a guy can dream right! (lol)

Nic

Thanks.

and I didn't mean to say that YOU were complaining.  There's been plenty of others though. 

To me, whether it's photography or modeling, it's like shopping.....there are different retailers who price their goods and services differently, and we all choose to shop or not shop based upon everything from price, to what's included in the good or service, to what's convenient, to what is appropriate for the job.  All retailers have different cost structures and pricing structures (i.e. CostCo prices differently than Sears). 

I don't have an issue with Sears pricing, but I seldom shop there.  Maybe she's got a reason for her pricing structure that makes sense to her, and maybe it's different than the norm. 

As photographers and artists, and business owners or hobbyists, we all have different pricing structures and packaging that make sense to us.  Actor Head shots, family groups, glamour, nudes....all have different requirements for my time, which assistants I use for the project, and so on, so they all have different pricing.  Wal-Mart Photo Studio has one price, and that's fine by me, but it's not how I price.

Brewer35MM wrote:
For a $125.00, make sure she has the right ass for a thong.
Nothing worst than the wrong ass in a thong.

She has a great ass but it's not worth $125.00 when I can can get just as pretty with better figures for $100 an hour nude all day long and choose not to. But there is something about her I have seen in her pics I want to bring out. Thus my dilemma! (lol)

Chris Ambler wrote:
That's just too much.

Modeling is modeling. You work in the genres in which you're comfortable and skilled. You charge a rate based on your skill.

To charge more based on the amount of skin makes no sense. All that says is that you're more skilled at being nude than clothed? Is that what different rates is supposed to mean?

I'm so glad you posted that so I didn't have to. 

I don't get why people accept that scheme...it's a total internet model invention.  Anywhere else in modeling rates are simply based on duration of job and usage (and budget, realistically).  If you call XYZ Agency and book three girls the rate is gonna be the rate regardless of whether or not the camera sees someone's boob.  And the models will either be comfortable showing skin or not, but that won't change the rate.

MichaelNicoletti wrote:
quote]
.I will change her name for obvious reasons...

Nic

Eh Hem, you err..kinda left her name in one of those transmissions I suggest you go back and delete it...just giving you the heads up..

Isys Entertainment wrote:

Eh Hem, you err..kinda left her name in one of those transmissions I suggest you go back and delete it...just giving you the heads up..

Yes you did and it looks like any other Fla model that will shoot swimsuit TFP. Move on...

MichaelNicoletti wrote:
But there is something about her I have seen in her pics I want to bring out. Thus my dilemma! (lol)

The only thing you will bring out is your cheque book...

Dilemma? No friggen dilemma there.

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