Photographer
Richard Cleveland
Posts: 62
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
SE Photo wrote:
Totally understandable Richard, I was simply quoting the model. I understand that I don't blame you. I find it mind boggling that this crap goes on. I just think we need to use more direct language so everyone is on the samw page. There are alot of models and photographers that are under the impression that this industry is built on the scumbag principle. I believe if you spell it out what we want up front there is no room for misinturpritation. As Photographers our job is to express our intentions about a shoot clearly and upfront and be sure that the model understands.
regards
Richard
Model
NAT
Posts: 312
Huntington, Virginia, US
C R Photography wrote:
Last time a model did me a "favor" for helping with her port I got crabs.....
No seriously, she took me to the Red Lobster for an all you can eat crab fest  Haha ..very cute
Photographer
ChristopherRoss
Posts: 1559
Eškašem, Badakhshan, Afghanistan
UdoR wrote:
Maybe she just wanted to paint your house? Oh ... I'd paint his house, if you know what I mean. Say no more, say no more. Two winks and all that.
I've heard of this before, it's a little sad but back in the day I had a similar offer related to a wedding shoot, I know bridesmaids are suppose to take one for the bride but ...
Photographer
Richard Cleveland
Posts: 62
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
SE Photo wrote:
Totally understandable Richard, I was simply quoting the model.
Photographer
Timeless Photos
Posts: 305
Peterborough, New Hampshire, US
Hmm... any models out there that can do taxes? Oh never mind!  In my case it's often "Me" offering the favours... Picking models up at the bus station. Buying models lunch or supper. Getting models into fashion shows.
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
C R Photography wrote:
Last time a model did me a "favor" for helping with her port I got crabs.....
No seriously, she took me to the Red Lobster for an all you can eat crab fest Between your crabs and Brian's Pies, I'm getting pretty hungry, lol
Photographer
Giacomo Cirrincioni
Posts: 22234
Stamford, Connecticut, US
SE Photo wrote:
yeah, according to her, it was actually "wierd" for me not to want "favors" Most women are insulted when you turn down an offer of sex from them, regardless of the circumstances.
I was talking to a seriously hot "model" the other night (pretty sure she's a stripper). She wanted to know what I would charge to shoot a portfolio for her. I said "a whole port, start to finish? That would be expensive." Without missing a beat she says "how much if I'm fucking you?".
Photographer
Timeless Photos
Posts: 305
Peterborough, New Hampshire, US
Actually the last shoot I did I was ironing the models dresses in advance while she was doing other clothes changes. We both had a great laugh with it. She said she never had a photographer offer to do her ironing for her before!
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
SE Photo wrote:
Just recently I contacted a model here on MM to shoot for one of my projects, I was even willing to compensate her for her time, but then I get a responce asking if she can do any "favors" for me so that I can shoot her port.
Of course I was taken by surpise, and told her that the only favor I'd need is for her to work with me on my project, in exchange, I would shoot her project for her port. Long story short, She supposedly got "wierded out" because apparently, the other photographers she has worked with either asked for payment or favors. *sigh*
If only I were a completely unethical scumbag.
*double sigh*
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Lapis wrote:
Ironically, I have heard more horror stories about 'professional' photographers for cheesecake mags pulling a 'casting couch' scenerio on the models...who are then afraid to press charges for the sake of their careers. I even hear about certain photographers who don't shoot for "cheesecake mags" but for mainstream blue chip mags such as Zink and Vellum who pull that s#!t regularily!
Photographer
FemmeArt
Posts: 880
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
o.k.--I'm calling your bluff...
Hey, someone had to say it.
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
Richard Cleveland wrote:
I understand that I don't blame you. I find it mind boggling that this crap goes on. I just think we need to use more direct language so everyone is on the samw page. There are alot of models and photographers that are under the impression that this industry is built on the scumbag principle. I believe if you spell it out what we want up front there is no room for misinturpritation. As Photographers our job is to express our intentions about a shoot clearly and upfront and be sure that the model understands.
regards
Richard You're absolutely right Richard. So for those who don't understand what I mean by "favors," I meant sexual favors.
Model
Bettina
Posts: 51
Los Angeles, California, US
CarolineVictoria wrote:
I actually feel sorry for her. Sounds like she's prob gone thru life having no one do anything for her w/out wanting something in return.
Caroline I agree. Or maybe she just thought you were hot??????
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Paramour Productions wrote:
I was talking to a seriously hot "model" the other night (pretty sure she's a stripper). She wanted to know what I would charge to shoot a portfolio for her. I said "a whole port, start to finish? That would be expensive." Without missing a beat she says "how much if I'm fucking you?" I usually charge extra if the model wants sex too...
In that particular case, I'd give maybe a 10% rebate...
Photographer
House of DL
Posts: 523
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
DJ wrote:
Very Sad ! ! ! I also agree!
Photographer
American Glamour
Posts: 38813
Detroit, Michigan, US
SE Photo wrote:
Just recently I contacted a model here on MM to shoot for one of my projects, I was even willing to compensate her for her time, but then I get a responce asking if she can do any "favors" for me so that I can shoot her port. UdoR wrote:
Maybe she just wanted to paint your house? Hmmmm, you know, that isn't such a bad idea. OK, my boat really needs to be painted. I will make all models an offer.
If you want to shoot with me, I have a deal you can't refuse. Normally I pay models and I know models don't like paying photographers. So here is the deal.
You come and paint my boat and I will shoot you for free instead of paying you.
Does that work?
Photographer
Vito
Posts: 4582
Brooklyn, New York, US
Paramour Productions wrote:
Most women are insulted when you turn down an offer of sex from them, regardless of the circumstances.
I was talking to a seriously hot "model" the other night (pretty sure she's a stripper). She wanted to know what I would charge to shoot a portfolio for her. I said "a whole port, start to finish? That would be expensive." Without missing a beat she says "how much if I'm fucking you?". I'd tell her, well it depends on how good you are. (joking....yeah..that's the ticket)
Photographer
Jose Luis
Posts: 2890
Dallas, Texas, US
Ive never been offered Trix for Pix. Nobody loves me. :-(
-Jose
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
Bettina wrote:
I agree. Or maybe she just thought you were hot?????? How would she know what I look like? All this happened while just booking the shoot. Since I refused the offer, she didn't want to work with me.
Photographer
images by elahi
Posts: 2523
Atlanta, Georgia, US
barter is a legit form of exchange...for instance, if a person can cut hair, i'd barter for that service
or if the person is a graphic artist
or something else I would need and would cut my actual expenditures
now, were her favors offered sexual?
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
images by elahi wrote:
barter is a legit form of exchange...for instance, if a person can cut hair, i'd barter for that service
or if the person is a graphic artist
or something else I would need and would cut my actual expenditures
now, were her favors offered sexual? Yesthey were sexual favors, if she wanted to clean my place, I'd be shooting with her every week, lol
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
Joeys Angels wrote:
o.k.--I'm calling your bluff...
Hey, someone had to say it. Wish i could prove it to you, but MM rules are MM rules. Can't put anyone on the spot no matter how messed up they are. If it were up to me, I'd post the IM
Photographer
images by elahi
Posts: 2523
Atlanta, Georgia, US
SE Photo wrote:
Yesthey were sexual favors, if she wanted to clean my place, I'd be shooting with her every week, lol lol wow, dang...now which model is she again? LOL
that's like
model prostitution
photographic prostitution
hoin' for the folio
givin' up legg for the lens
Photographer
Vito
Posts: 4582
Brooklyn, New York, US
Just forward the model my id. I can counsel her and make her feel like she's worth more than she gives herself credit for.
Photographer
images by elahi
Posts: 2523
Atlanta, Georgia, US
apparently LOL she had no idea who Albert S. is huh? LOL
if she had, she never would have thought...............
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
Vito wrote:
Just forward the model my id. I can counsel her and make her feel like she's worth more than she gives herself credit for. LOL! good one
Model
Sirensong
Posts: 2173
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
I have to admit if a Photographer asked for "favours" for a shoot the only real favour he would need thereafter would be from the local proctologist.
Photographer
Brian Hillburn
Posts: 2442
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
C R Photography wrote:
Last time a model did me a "favor" for helping with her port I got crabs.....
No seriously, she took me to the Red Lobster for an all you can eat crab fest OMG, I nearly peed my pants(smile).
I love these forums...
Photographer
BlindMike
Posts: 9594
San Francisco, California, US
Sirensong wrote:
I have to admit if a Photographer asked for "favours" for a shoot the only real favour he would need thereafter would be from the local proctologist. Ok fine. I'll stop asking models to hold my bags.
Model
Sara Beth
Posts: 487
New York, New York, US
on my second shoot the phtographer demanded a "favor" in exchange for my pictures. needless to say, i quickly left...and never saw most of my images.
Photographer
John Pringle
Posts: 1608
New York, New York, US
In life, windows of opportunity comes here and there. What we do with it gives us a view of who we are. You can accept her offer and continue her spiral of detriment, perhaps catching a glimps of her falling (also any possible STD's), or you can support her positive options by "respectfully" declining, and giving her a type of "brotherly or neighborly" love, sending her on her way. Of course, we might think that there is no need to feel responsible for our toungue, but what we give, usually comes full circle. It is OK for you to have rejected her offer. It might help to make her understand that there are respectable photographers who know where to draw the line.  BTW, nice images. Artsy contrast.
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
Sara Beth wrote:
on my second shoot the phtographer demanded a "favor" in exchange for my pictures. needless to say, i quickly left...and never saw most of my images. Wow, so this is a pretty widespread problem, huh? glad you got a good head on your shoulders and respect yourself unlike the person for whom this post is directed towards
Photographer
HOTTIE SHOTS
Posts: 6018
Memphis, Tennessee, US
Well if some model offered to have sex with me in exchange for doing her portfolio I would be flattered that she thought my ability was worth her best efforts. Or I would try to think that, instead of "this wierdo must be really broke and desperate for photos".
Actually there is a certain class of women who pay their way in life with sex. I have had offers to exchange sex for my legal services. I tell them all that I have to pay my secretary and feed my family, and while the offer is tempting and I know she is worth it, that I don't think my secretary would be amused if I told her that I was not able to pay her this week with money but I could tell her all about how much fun I had screwing that last client.
Photographer
500 Gigs of Desire
Posts: 3833
New York, New York, US
How many looks does a model get from a "Trix 4 Pix" shoot ?
Does it include hair & makeup?
Photographer
FabioTovar
Posts: 583
Culver City, California, US
Ty Simone wrote:
or wash your car. or ..maybe she wanted to clean your pipes
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
John Pringle wrote:
In life, windows of opportunity comes here and there. What we do with it gives us a view of who we are. You can accept her offer and continue her spiral of detriment, perhaps catching a glimps of her falling (also any possible STD's), or you can support her positive options by "respectfully" declining, and giving her a type of "brotherly or neighborly" love, sending her on her way.
Of course, we might think that there is no need to feel responsible for our toungue, but what we give, usually comes full circle. It is OK for you to have rejected her offer. It might help to make her understand that there are respectable photographers who know where to draw the line.
BTW, nice images. Artsy contrast. Very well said! and thank you
Photographer
Sidney Etienne
Posts: 339
Brooklyn, New York, US
Eric S. wrote:
How many looks does a model get from a "Trix 4 Pix" shoot ?
Does it include hair & makeup? lol, good question
Model
Sirensong
Posts: 2173
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
VirtuaMike wrote:
Ok fine. I'll stop asking models to hold my bags. HAHAHA..
Thats slightly different..
Unless of course you are talking funbags.
Photographer
1972 Productions
Posts: 1376
Cebu, Central Visayas, Philippines
Brian Diaz wrote:
I'm often offered free yoga classes or makeup lessons or Croatian grappa for shooting. I sometimes offer freshly baked pie. Mmmmmmmmm...........................Pie!
Hell if a model want's to do me a favor my trucks filthy, feel free to give it a wash...and if you don't mind vacum the inside too??
Peace to all - Darren.
Model
Claire Elizabeth
Posts: 1550
Exton, Pennsylvania, US
Just to turn the tables for a minute........has anyone had a photographer offer a favor?
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