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Being rejected then wanted !! Question for all...
Rebeca wrote: Thanks I really appreciate that, I try and have fun in everything I do...makes life a whole lot easier dont you think! Keep doing your thing girlfriend and good luck with your goals as well! Apr 27 06 02:17 pm Link 00siris wrote: .......................... Apr 27 06 02:22 pm Link Nerlande wrote: ************** Apr 27 06 02:25 pm Link dncphotos wrote: My whole project with modeling is to open and change minds, so I will absolutely work with them now. Several photographers have said that when they first saw me, they couldn't even begin to conceive of how to photograph a fat model. The longer I work and the greater diversity my portfolio contains, however, the more photographers become interested in working with me. It's something about seeing the possibilities that opens up horizons for people. As long as someone isn't nasty when they say no, I'm fine with them changing their minds. It means I'm doing something right! Apr 27 06 02:38 pm Link dncphotos wrote: Well, considering that I've only been doing photography for 2 years this happens quite a bit. Would I work with them? Of course! And I do what any self-respecting photographer with a mouthful of sense and a little bit of decency should do in that situation: I send out a reply letter to their incessant begging that goes something like this: Apr 27 06 03:23 pm Link I would work with the person. Did you ever meet them in person before and got a bad attitude? We have to get used to rejection a bit I think. If you found them interesting before and they might have had doubts or been super busy the first contact. Why not give it a try. If you hit it off and make great shots you'll have a story to tell about how you two finally got to work together. Apr 27 06 03:32 pm Link Models get rejected a lot, they're probably more used to it. As a photographer, it really stings when you're told your work is not good enough by a teenage girl that wasn't even born yet when you picked up a camera. But, the sting is only momentary, because for every one that doesn't want to work with you, there are two more that do, so how can you hold a grudge? More than anything, this is a "right place, right time" vocation. I have both accepted and rejected offers that have "come around again". The only ones I've rejected were the one's that booked a shoot but then flaked. The ones that said "no" from the get go, didn't close any doors. Jan 09 07 09:47 am Link dncphotos wrote: This is a cool topic- Jan 09 07 09:55 am Link I'd make them pay. Jan 09 07 10:13 am Link dncphotos wrote: I'd work with them...right after a consultation where they signed my contract and paid my deposit. Jan 09 07 10:16 am Link dncphotos wrote: Depending if his/ her port is improving or just flat same.. Jan 09 07 10:20 am Link The only models that close a door for me are the ones that have flaked. The models that said "No Thank You", have shown profesionalism. The ones that didn't respond, showed bad manners, but I am able to forgive that kind of behavior. Jan 09 07 10:23 am Link Brandon Smith wrote: I agree wholeheartedly here with Brandon. Jan 09 07 10:25 am Link DAX wrote: "Difference, there are thousands of women readily available.. there are maybe 14 vogues..." **There are also millions of Pro Photographers with similar or better skills than all of us here Jan 09 07 10:37 am Link dncphotos wrote: happens to me all the time Jan 09 07 10:42 am Link Has happened to me. I told her... so before you didn't want to work with me and NOW you do? What's up with that? She straight up told me that I'm better now... then I gave her my prices lolz Jan 09 07 10:47 am Link it depends. it's happened to me, and sometimes i will work with them if they are amazing. but now i find that wow....some of these people i wanted to shoot with before really wouldn't benefit me at all. Jan 09 07 10:50 am Link that happen to me actually- I said no. dncphotos wrote: Jan 09 07 11:15 am Link Star wrote: Exactly. This absolutely FUMES me. A polite "No, thank you." is perfectly acceptable in my book. This indicates the person can communicate which is top priority. If they came back later saying "Let's shoot." then great. Jan 09 07 11:59 am Link dncphotos wrote: I have been through this a few times and now i get emails telling me that they were wrong and they still want to work with me .. Jan 09 07 12:06 pm Link I had a young woman approach me during the opening of a gallery show and she asked if I would photograph her. I had seen her around at various shows and it turned out we had a mutual friend. We set a date to talk about ideas for a shoot, but before the meeting she called to say that she had changed her mind about posing for me. I learned through our friend that she had not changed her mind, but had backed out to keep the peace with her jealous husband. About a year and a half later, I get a call from her asking if I was still interested in shooting her -- she had divorced her husband. I shot with her on and off for about two years, then one day she told me she would not be modeling anymore. She was about to get married again and her fiance objected to her posing nude... Doug Jan 09 07 10:07 pm Link This is a very good topic. It is he who laughs last. however. I'd rather a person be very honest then to leave you waiting around. Somtimes people actually do have legit reasons for cancelling, not returning a call etc. As a communications major, I'v learned to stay out of peoples heads and don't assum you know the real reason. As long as things are handled in a peacful way in the past, then things will be okay in the future. you get the chance of giving them the experience they would have had working with you back then, so its them that prob feels ackward anyway because of thier conscience Jan 09 07 10:24 pm Link Pete Flanagan wrote: Mega Dittos! Jan 09 07 10:25 pm Link If they are that good then you have to put your pride aside and work with them. Jan 09 07 10:25 pm Link well imo if it is a business you are in than nothing should be personal, and you re~evaluate your relative worth to each other and proceed accordingly. if your interests here are personal, do what ever you want to do, but make it clear that you are not here professionally. t Jan 09 07 10:37 pm Link Life is too short to hold a grudge - be a bigger person Jan 09 07 10:45 pm Link Sounds like you recognize that you have grown in your craft so I'd say that definately if there work is of a caliber that moves you forward, challenges or adds to your port there should be zero reason to not do it. We all have standards, you as a model have a standard of photographer you want to work with. It's not personal unless they attacked you verbally when they turned you down so, why not? (rhetorical of course  Jan 10 07 03:52 am Link I remember anyone who has ever wronged me in this world. I get out my voodoo doll with the special pins. I chant my usual voodoo curse and then the person wishes they had never been born. (but that's just me) Jan 10 07 04:07 am Link Star wrote: I agree. Jan 10 07 05:10 am Link Brandon Smith wrote: I'm not experienced, but it's common sense(no offense) Turning the "ass" down would be a lesson well learned. They wont understand right away, but they will respect it later and you will be doing the next "inexperienced" photographer a favor when they email him/her Jan 10 07 05:21 am Link dncphotos wrote: Absolutely "Yes!" I would work with them. In fact, I've done so in similar circumstances. Forget yesterday, it's today that is important! I am a forgiving kind of guy though. I never hold grudges. Life is too short for that! Jan 10 07 05:31 am Link We've noticed by networking with some other photographers that it seems like some people are better at visualizing what the "diamond in the rough" can look like. We can look at a person and see all these ideas of what they can be and get past any webcam shots they started their portfolio with. These are our favorite shoots. Other people are great photographers but see just what they can see in front of them. I wouldn't hold it against them...if as the other person said...they were polite. It all really comes down to "Do you still like his/her style?" Jan 10 07 05:35 am Link Patrick Walberg wrote: I don't hold many grudges...in general I forgive things most people wouldn't -but there is a special circle of hell dedicated to the few people on my list...ha..ha.. Jan 10 07 05:38 am Link Me too. I have the memory of an elephant. I should have been a Mafioso. JAY carreon PHOTOGRAPHER Jan 10 07 05:41 am Link dncphotos wrote: People are fickle. Jan 10 07 05:48 am Link Wynd Mulysa wrote: Hi Wynd! Jan 10 07 06:04 am Link If a photographer who I really wanted to work with in the past wanted to work with me now, I'd take it as a compliment that I had improved. Chances are that I would work with them because if I really liked their work before, I believe I would probably still be a fan of it. In the beginning, if I didn't like a photographers' work I probably would just not have answered back. I usually figured that they just sent out mass emails and were hoping to find a few people out of the bunch. Now I realize that it was rude not to at least respond, but honestly "back then" I didn't really give it too much of a second thought. As long as the person is polite, it really shouldn't be a problem. If your work is not that great and you really cannot add to a person portfolio, therefore the person does not want to work with you ( well at least not for trade) do not take it so offensively, just realize that you may need to "step your game up" a little bit (or a lot). On a last note, I apologize to ALL of the photographers who I did not at least respond or respond back to. Please accept my apology out of the kindness of your heart Smooches All Jan 10 07 06:43 am Link weeks and months isn't so long actually. in many cases a single assignment/job can often last months, the more pre/post production responsibilities the photographer has, the longer each job takes. throw in travel and many photographers, and models ... (often in the same situation to a slightly lesser extent, as they rarely have production duties) have limited time for their personal work. i have personal projects that are/have been years in the making. some of them i will not show publicly until they are "completed" at least enough to fill a gallery and secure the style as originating with me. there are famous art photographers whose estates were working for years just on undeveloped film left behind by the artist. not everything we do is that extreme, but i am sure some days everyone is more busy than other days, everyone should realize that some people are just too busy to stay on top of MM as much as others do. this also changes depending where someone is in the span of a job. i have no time while shooting to be on MM, however lots of time while i travel, and a lot of time while i an managing, editing, and retouching images ... (i play on one computer, while another crunches pixels) rich Jan 10 07 11:13 am Link I would, most likely, pose for them. Jan 10 07 11:16 am Link wow, blast from the past lol I posted this in like April 2006 ha ha ha, nice to see it still going however Jan 10 07 11:23 am Link |
I'm sure you can appreciate this, but I was telling my friend tonight about how I don't get mad, but I get disappointed in people. The thing is that I am happy most of the time and I have witnessed the power of karma. If someone tries to harm me either physically or whatever ... they often have some terrible things happen to them. For example, I was stuck in a love triangle when a guy who was dating the same girl as I attempted to rearrange my face with the butt of his knife. He gave me a pretty nasty beating, broke my nose ... but nothing compared to the beating he got from my friends. I never asked them to do that to him, but they saw what he did. Nothing I'm wishing on him, because I'm always wishing the best for everyone. You just don't want to disappoint me! 