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omg who the hell would let thier kids do this?!?
Melissa Derr wrote: I told y`all they said that on their website,sheesh,lol. As for visiting each girls site, if it is not illegal it is not illegal. Going to each seperate site is like going to ASACP several times in a row, a waste of time reporting non illegal sites. Apr 25 06 07:55 am Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: That thing in the picture ain't young, though. She's living proof that if you spend too much time in the sun u're skin will look like u're 40 by the time u're 25. And if you mess with u're hair too much it'll look like u're 60 by the time u're 25. Eeeeech. Apr 25 06 08:02 am Link GWC wrote: That thing in the picture ain't young, though. Duh,lol I was just showing the pic as an example of a top I once saw a young girl, who looked to be maybe 13-14 wearing at a mall. Why else wear THAT to a MALL unless you are wanting to be looked at? Apr 25 06 08:08 am Link This thread reminds me of the hysteria over that Calvin Klein billboard in New York several years ago that showed two kids jumping up and down on the couch wearing only their underwear. It was more of a conservative issue back then, but I don't think anyone felt like the kids had been harmed or exploited. The main fear people seemed to have was that someone somewhere might get their cookies off from looking at that billboard. As for the legality, according to surveys I've heard about, most people seem to think the First Amendment gives us way too much freedom. Of course, that situation will eventually be rectified (probably in the name of saving children from evil). Apr 25 06 08:18 am Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: Didja get pictures? Daaaaamn, I bet she was SLAMMIN! Maybe I should do one of my "drive by shootings" workshops at a mall instead of cruising the streets of college towns. Glamour Boulevard wrote: I'd look like crap in that at a mall but I'm sure people would stare, point, and giggle. Apr 25 06 08:21 am Link GWC wrote: Glamour Boulevard wrote: Didja get pictures? Daaaaamn, I bet she was SLAMMIN! Maybe I should do one of my "drive by shootings" workshops at a mall instead of cruising the streets of college towns. Of course mom didnt make her wear it. she wore it on her own. and of course I was young once. I am not picking sides in my posts here,lol. I like playing devils advocate. Apr 25 06 08:27 am Link Just took a look at the site...pure pedophile paradise, huh? Those poor children. They might think what they're doing is the greatest thing in the world right now, but I can only imagine the awful paths most of them are probably headed down. Some of the poses those 11-13 year olds are in, I wouldn't want *my* parents viewing in print, and evidently their parents approve of their girl's "career." How can a caregiver allow this sort of thing? How could you not be ashamed of yourself? Just think about the issues those girls are going to have...what are they being taught about sex? What are they being taught about self-esteem? What are they being taught about their body, their body image, and other people's right to it? It's sickening. :*( Apr 25 06 08:35 am Link Back when my kids were little, everyone was talking about how video games (Nintendo, Coleco, Atari, etc) were "destroying a whole generation of American children".  Apr 25 06 09:14 am Link studio36uk wrote: If no one speaks out about how vile and evil such websites are. Then it's the same as encouraging more of them to go into business. I choose to speak out against them. Apr 25 06 09:25 am Link Dave Krueger wrote: Hey when I was a kid it was Dungeons and Dragons was going to turn us all into satanists, and listening to Jimi Hendrix' guitar playing was going to melt all of our brains. That was before there were video games so I've just showed you how ancient I am. Apr 25 06 09:32 am Link Farenell Photography wrote: Well said. Apr 25 06 09:34 am Link Marcus J. Ranum wrote: Jess and her mom are two of the people I adore most from this site. Jess(uary),don`t expect to get that, its an inside joke between her and I, is one of the most bright young ladies of her generation that I have had the pleasure of knowing.And mom is just plain awesome. I enjoy talking with both of them and can`t wait for the day when I can finally shoot Jessica.I see her going places. Apr 25 06 09:40 am Link Acid-Candy wrote: http://www.whois.net/ Apr 25 06 09:52 am Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: You can imagine, considering how my portfolio consists mostly of nudes, that I had a bit of convincing to do, to get Jess in front of my camera!! I think what sold her was the fact that I was willing to haul my 8x10 down to maryland in the rain and did hollywood-style portraits with hot lights. I've still got to process the film - my darkroom is offline right now - but the digital "proofs" turned out great - click here.I thought it was a tasteful yet sexy portrait of a minor... Apr 25 06 09:54 am Link Marcus J. Ranum wrote: Girls like Jessica, and moms like Jessicas mom, are wise enough to see that just because you do nudes does not mean that is all you are about or that you will try to talk the model into doing nudes. I have shot quite a few young girls and their moms and/or fathers have sat next to their daughter and went through my portfolio together, in person and online, and know about my nude work. They also knew I do not pressure a model into doing anything. Apr 25 06 09:58 am Link Marcus J. Ranum wrote: You're right about the breeding remark being unPC, but condemning parents has become a favorite national pastime. People are even quicker to accuse others of bad parenting than Christians are to accuse people of not being "real Christians". Apr 25 06 11:18 am Link Dave Krueger wrote: That's a really interesting/good point! Apr 25 06 12:44 pm Link Marcus J. Ranum wrote: Interesting you should mention that. I just heard a story (on NPR I think) the other day about a guy who is a registered sex offender becaause he had sex with his 14 or 15 year old girl freind when he was 19. They are now married, but he's stuck on that sex offender list. It's particularly interesting to hear about the harrassment they have to put up with even though he's not considered to be a threat to anyone anymore. For them it's just a form of legalized persecution. Apr 25 06 01:35 pm Link Dave Krueger wrote: I wonder what the statute of limitations on that is? I dated my wife briefly in 1984, when I was 19 and she was 14... Neither of us saw anything wrong with it. We still don't, 22 years later and 5 years into our marriage. Apr 25 06 01:41 pm Link my god, this makes me sick, i would never let my kids do this site. not only because my neice was sexually assulted at 14 ( wearing similar stuff), but because no one under 18 needs to dress that way! period! Apr 25 06 01:50 pm Link Dave Krueger wrote: One of the killed in this story was a registered sex offender because he had sex with his underage girl friend. Apr 25 06 01:53 pm Link More Dribble..... Let's put it in perspective. Child Erotica sites are NOT ILLEGAL. As much as some of you may wish it so. Child Pronography is well defined as has been pointed out here a number of times. none of the sites I saw even come close to that. As for the Sturges Mann etc.... You do not like it, do not buy it, but it is legal and they make money off of it. As for the sex with a minor... DUMB. getting married after being DUMB is not a defense for being DUMB.... Now, If we banned everything that people find offensive, then there would be nothing left. As for what parent etc..... Consider watching some movies that have children nude in them. It is parents like that which allow their child to do sites like these. They do not have the puckered up holes that others have. Boy we as a society have swung way too far this time. Apr 25 06 01:55 pm Link I remember a few years ago 20/20 did a story on child pay sites. They showed a 12 year old girl who was making tons of money off of her pay site. Very weird. BUT they had this thing on her site that anybody could send her an outfit to model and for an extra $100 she would model it on her page. They showed a school girl outfit that some 40 something year old guy sent her. It wasn't a trashy outfit in the least but still very very creepy. Her parents especially her father were very excited and way too into the site. Apr 25 06 03:16 pm Link Meg 784 wrote: One of the first girls to take advantage of the teen site thing was very business minded. she even pretended to be 16-17 until she was in her early 20s and she looked 16-17. Now she is about 25 and says she just turned 18. She started her site when she was 13, by the time she was actually 18 she had enough money to pay cash for a HUGE home, a mercedes and such, with CASH. Apr 25 06 03:20 pm Link F-ing Nuts Benny wrote: I'll report this also to this site and any other I can find. This is in no way acceptable! Apr 25 06 03:24 pm Link lightsandshadow wrote: You havent been reading this thread, obviously. wait until you get to asacp.com and read the part where they specifically mention that childsupermodels.com is legal,lol Apr 25 06 03:34 pm Link True, I guess this site is not illegal. I'd like to voice my opinions to someone though about this subject of 'child erotica'. I might be one small voice but at least I will feel I did something. I'm all about Artistic freedom but to have underage kids, boys or girls, pose suggestively is not good. I've shot with teen models before, headshots, casual wear but these poses are a bit too much for me to stomach. Sorry, it's how I feel. Apr 25 06 04:08 pm Link area291 wrote: LMAO ! Acid-Candy wrote: Oboy .. I gotta say sumthin here .. (putting on my suit of armor) Apr 25 06 05:55 pm Link Before I propose some ideas that "might" curtail what the majority here finds objectionable in websites, let's get some facts clear ... the website in question is what we call a "banner site" in webmaster terms. There are banners there to many of the Webe web company's under age model websites. They have been doing these sites for some five years or more now. They don't shoot the girls nude, or having sex ... so they are not consider child porn. Warning: I'll catch hell for my sarcasm, ... excuse me! The FBI is already quite aware of Webe web and probably has passes for all the officers to check out or enjoy. Believe me! There are plenty of Homeland Security people enjoying these sites! People have been complaining about these particular underage model paysites for years now. Nothing short of electing Pat Roberts will eliminate them! Actually Pat Roberts is probably a member! In other words, complaints are going to deaf ears. It's actually the real child porn sites with girls nude and in sexual acts that our law enforcement is doing their best to shut down. The Supreme court will not outlaw pictures of girls who are not nude or doing anything sexual. It would be very problematic for all of us as photographers and models IF they did. Why? All of this is very subjective ... meaning that the elements that make it seem like "child porn" to one may not be there in someone else's eyes. It's been mentioned about going to the shopping malls ... well in some ways that is more dangerous than if a pedo were viewing pictures on the Internet. At least the law enforcement can keep track of those who are actually dealing with REAL child porn. By the way, WE should NOT be blowing that link to the SuperChildModel site or what ever because it increases their traffic. It improves the amount of business and dollars they are making. It's not going to get taken down that way! ALSO DO NOT SEARCH FOR REAL CP ... you could get yourself into serious trouble! Why? Try giving the excuse that you were only searching for research or that you were planning to report it. Law enforcement hears that all the time and most of the time they don't believe it. You don't want an arrest ... even without a conviction, it's still not something you want to have happen. Stop looking for stuff to post here that you "think" is child porn. You are helping the Webe Web people make more money and you could also get us all infected with computer viruses or worse. Want to "get" to these girls because you are worried about them? The girls that are posing for this company that produced that banner page and websites are protected from any of us being able to contact them. They don't use real or complete names. The girls pose for a photographer that we can't reach either. The server location wont help ... and very likely these are European girls anyway. So can't very well call Child Protective Services on the parents, huh? Are these girls going to be tainted for life? I don't know that answer ... only Dr. Phil does, right? lol Things are different outside this country. In many European and Asian countries it's common to see nudity in public and mainstream media. As I've said before, something like Janet Jackson's clothing malfunction during the Superbore ummm Superbowl ... wont raise an eyebrow outside this country! So where is the market for this Webe stuff? Here in the USA? Probably. One thing that can be done is to find out who provides billing for the Webe websites, then start a massive writing campaign to them. However if the website owners are smart, they'll have their own merchant account ... then that means you have to locate the merchant account provider ... what I'm saying is go for the "money" they make. If they are not able to accept credit cards, then they are dead in the water! Try to find those people who are clients to those sites. Not to beat them up, but to work on making them realize how bad it is that they pay for that stuff. It also helps to be knowing who is looking at the stuff ... the law enforcement does that I'm sure! Not to scare anyone, we can all be tracked by our IP's, but to educate and hopefully change minds as to what is acceptable. Sort of like a profiler, huh? Another positive idea would be to form an association that promotes standards for Internet Modeling. The "Internet" and "modeling" mentioned in the sentence is such a turn off to mainstream and people not educated about the 'net. I believe that the adult porn industry is either disinterested or glad for teen/preteen websites. To the adult industry these could be the future porn stars, right? OK, let's get together to promote non nude, and non pornographic model websites! Don't think there is a market for it? Well think twice! It is possible! Look at the Stuff, Maxim, and Blender magazines ... even Sports Illustrated. Sexy swim wear, lingerie and Alt style images do have a market. Classy art and glamour nudes have a market, and most don't consider that to be porn. Flood the market with better alternatives for viewing. Market it! Market it! Market it! Look at MySpace ... two years later it is a multi million dollar website! All the negative press has done is double the users of MySpace since Fox news bought it! Bad news is good news to them! I've heard about all the daytime shows with teen model Cindy or whom ever has a paysite get their website promoted because of the controversy. There is plenty of disgust, drama, screaming, and puking to go around! LOL Instead of trying to attack and tear down what you don't like, build something better! Let's develop an alternative to what is out there with standards. I commend Tyler and Model Mayhem for allowing us to have wide open discussion on these forum over issues like this! OneModelPlace does not have age limits for model portfolios, Model Mayhem does. For very good reason, there are models of adult age here who are posing in the very things that they wouldn't dare let their daughters be posing in! Yet what those models are posing in is not considered "porn" by most standards. The porn industry is huge, and well funded. In my opinion, the porn industry dominates OMP and the 'net in general. It's going to take a strong united effort to change the image of what it means to be a model on the Internet. Going to war against what you don't like is not always a good answer. Education and building positive reinforcement in children is! Stay tuned .... Apr 25 06 08:04 pm Link area291 wrote: "Normal" is not a class distinction. A sick mind, as you put it, is not normal. Apr 25 06 08:29 pm Link Dave Krueger wrote: Who says they haven't? I still go gaga whenever someone plays the Legend of Zelda theme on the piano. Apr 25 06 08:52 pm Link Farenell Photography wrote: We have a Zelda for the game cube, looks just like it did on the super nintendo. we love it. didnt realize how much we missed some of the sound effects,lol.and lets not forget that sound of loging in to aol or other online services way back when with the dial tone and such Apr 25 06 08:57 pm Link UGH! my god! whyyy? These poor girls. Thos sick parents/ photographers... I wish they would arrest these sickos, and let the girls get on with the rest of their lives like normal 7-15 year olds (because that is honestly how old these kids look) I don't even want to know what goes beyond that main page. * Justine * Danielle * Apr 25 06 09:00 pm Link Its a blatant Rip off of Christinamodel. The guys created other non-nude sites while some of the girls were in their teens, its still exploiting...however this site you provided us with...is just disgusting.... Freakin America.... Apr 25 06 09:15 pm Link Farenell Photography wrote: Dave Krueger wrote: Who says they haven't? I still go gaga whenever someone plays the Legend of Zelda theme on the piano. Oh, no. I wish you hadn't mentioned that. I will be hearing that theme music in my head for at least a week now... Apr 25 06 09:21 pm Link I can only hope this is an FBI sting site....... Apr 25 06 09:22 pm Link I can only hope this is an FBI sting site....... Apr 25 06 09:22 pm Link Obviously the Read only the first post and comment on page 8 syndrome still exists. Perhaps I should let you know exactly what the FBI is doing about that site, and others like it. Really want to know? NOTHING! Nor will they. For the most part they do not even monitor sites like that. Why not? Because 95% of them are static. Meaning the conent is uploaded once, and then that is it, sell sell sell. Then the person does another site under another name and uploads the same content, or slightly different content, and then boom, more money. However, let's give in for a minute and say that I agree that the exploitation of those models is wrong. (I do not think that, no more so than I think Exploiting Child Actors or actresses is wrong) What exactly can we do about it? Report it? Nope, not illegal. Child Protective Services? Nope, Not illegal therefore CPS can not do anything because the child is truly protected, probably more so than your own child is. You will never learn her real name, or her location, or who actually did the photography. And even if you do, I guarentee you that the parents of that girl have more than enough money to keep her safe from the likes of you. Protest against it? Not smart, in order to protest against it, you must advertise for them. For every convert you make, you probably get them a new customer as well... The best thing to do if you do not like it, is ignore it. Now, Let's truly discuss the "Exploitation" aspect of it. I am not sure the story I am going to tell is the same as the one above. But, Back in the early adys of the web, there was a beautiful redhead teen (I believe she was 14, or at least claimed to be) that put up some rather provocative pictures of herself on the web. She even posted in the Newsgroups etc... to describe the pictures: The first was her in a string bikini with her legs spread apart, the strips to the top pulled down the shoulders, and her thumbs in the bottoms at the strings. The second was her in a tall field of grass lying on her stomach in the bikini, with the top untie, and arching her back a little (you could not see her breasts because of the grass, but even if you could, they were covered.) the third was her in a short skirt and a tank top, getting out of a car, where her panties apeared to be showing. (It was actually a bikini bottom) On each of these pictures at the bottom was the phrase, "Want to see more of me? Order the complete CD at www.......com" You went to the site and it had a few more provocative pictures, including another one that suggested she was at least partially nude for the shoot. The site offered the complete phootshoot collection for a mere $39.95 The site also offered the complete uncensored video of the shoot, with a guarentee that the video camera never stopped rolling during the shoot, and included bonus footage from the changing room for $129.95 The young girl made a virtual killing. Enough so that she gave a marketting presentation 4 years later about the whole thing. Never once was she nude. Not once did she lie in the marketting of her material. People simply assumed. They simply paid. (Back then it was all check or money order, online ordering with a credit card was not available) Now, This little genius, whom is set for life, based on a photoshoot her boyfriend did, and his best friend filmed, has absolutely NO regrets. She was just so exploited............. By the way, I was at the Marketting presentation she did, and I remember the early images of her being online, mainly because back then, some of us were already looking into the dark side of the internet. Apr 26 06 07:13 am Link Terry Breedlove wrote: The best thing to do is to report the site to a local police force. They can determine where the site originates and pass the info to Interpol to follow up. Apr 26 06 11:11 pm Link Tomi Images wrote: area291 wrote: LMAO ! So i stopped reading your RANT about here... Who cares what GRANDMA thinks! Who cares if Acid Candy wants to be a freak, Which I'm not making judgement on bc I havent even checked out her portfolio... I don't care whats there, she put it there! These little girls didn't put up their pay sites! Their parents did!!!!!! Apr 27 06 02:22 am Link |
with no top under, and either in tight jeans, boy shorts or daisy dukes.often with heels.packs of girls dressed like this, lookin at boys, boys and men looking at them, the girls flirting back.
The previous generation was going to be ruined by rock and roll music and the scandalous way Elvis Presley shook his butt. 
