Forums > General Industry > omg who the hell would let thier kids do this?!?

Photographer

Marcus J. Ranum

Posts: 3247

MORRISDALE, Pennsylvania, US

You ever see some of those beauty pageants that mothers take their daughters to peform in??? Those girls look worse than prostitutes, because they don't even know how to walk or stand; you've got 13-year-olds wearing too much makeup, skin-tight outfits, and wearing high heels. It's kind of weird! I wonder if the mothers are living vicarious alternate existences through their kids, or what.

I was out for DEFCON, a computer hackers convention, in Vega$ when they were running a beauty pageant in the same hotel with 2,000 hackers. All these peirced and tattooed weird0s were watching the little girls and shaking their heads. It was kind of trippy. One of my hacker buddies went over to one of the mothers and asked:
  H: "Can I buy your daughter?"
Mom: "WHAT?!"
  H: "Yeah, can I buy your daughter? I mean, she's dressed up like she's for rent, what do you charge?!"

The mom went running out of the room to call for security and everyone laughed their a** off. I don't think mom got the point, though.

mjr.

Apr 24 06 12:49 pm Link

Model

Heidi Brennan

Posts: 47

VAN NUYS, California, US

I think we need to see a Dateline expose, what do you think? You know, I remember seeing parents, I think on "Dr. Phil", a few years ago, and they were talking about the pay site that they have set up for their child, showing the same types of photos. Suggestive clothes and poses all the way. I mean, they even had the girl dressing up in a very suggestive fireman's outfit, doing suggestive poses, and posting it on the site! The worst part was that the girl was maybe only 10! Their sick reasoning was something to the effect of "well, we save up the money and it's going to be used for her college fund. We think it's a good way for her to learn about working to earn what you get". It's a typical situation of the parents just wanting to use their child to make money, and it's sick!

Apr 24 06 12:58 pm Link

Model

Heidi Brennan

Posts: 47

VAN NUYS, California, US

Oh my God! I just remembered one of the banners on there, Jessi the Kid.....that's the girl who was on Dr. Phil with her parents!

Apr 24 06 01:02 pm Link

Photographer

Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
H: "Can I buy your daughter?"
Mom: "WHAT?!"
  H: "Yeah, can I buy your daughter? I mean, she's dressed up like she's for rent, what do you charge?!"

I tip my hat (if I wore one) to that hacker!

Apr 24 06 01:03 pm Link

Model

Maria T

Posts: 514

Lambertville, New Jersey, US

Acid-Candy wrote:
im sicked actually.. i did a google search for model sites toplist and this is what i find:

http://www.childsupermodels.com/rank/index.html

why do children need pay sites?!?! these kids are like 9 and up and they look like little pornstars.. who the hell would let thier kids do this?!?!

I'm speechless,these parents are ludacris

Apr 24 06 01:06 pm Link

Model

Maria T

Posts: 514

Lambertville, New Jersey, US

Acid-Candy wrote:
im sicked actually.. i did a google search for model sites toplist and this is what i find:

http://www.childsupermodels.com/rank/index.html

why do children need pay sites?!?! these kids are like 9 and up and they look like little pornstars.. who the hell would let thier kids do this?!?!

I'm speechless,these parents are ludacris

Apr 24 06 01:06 pm Link

Photographer

RohanB

Posts: 167

Brooklyn, Indiana, US

I have a daughter and have shot her many times, nothing looking like that. That is sooo inappropriate to shoot young girls like that. I can only imagine WTF kind of asshole would do that.

Jeez I just thought of something, if these girls are underage, dont you need to be of age to join these sites cause you need a credit card, i can't believe this. the owners of that site or sites needs to be taken around the back and _______!
Let Lefty throw him the Hudson after.

Just sick...

Apr 24 06 01:15 pm Link

Artist/Painter

T.C.COR

Posts: 46

Warren, Michigan, US

THATS SOME SICK SHIT.....................THE PARENTS SHOULD BE SMACKED TO DEATH AND HUNG FROM A TREE AND SET ON FIRE.

just my two cents.

Apr 24 06 01:16 pm Link

Photographer

Fotticelli

Posts: 12252

Rockville, Maryland, US

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

Ashcroft started it all and even he admitted to saying that even art nudity should be illegal and it is being carried on by the guy who replaced him.

Why are you comparing nudity or adult porn to what's on those pages? You are really scaring me. You really don't get that sick feeling in your stomach looking at those children? These children have no sex drive. Sex doesn’t exist to them. They are prepubescent. They don’t have the hormones. They are children. They are not aware of sex drive unless they were abused. They were taught to pose that way by sick people. What other purpose could possibly those pictures serve other than pedophile masturbation aids?

I know you are trying to defend your cause but, dude, it will backfire because you apparently don’t understand the disgust and the outrage that most people feel looking at those pictures. It will turn against you.

Apr 24 06 01:29 pm Link

Makeup Artist

K E O

Posts: 442

Houston, Texas, US

I think my heart broke, seeing that. Too sad...what is this world coming to?
::sigh::

Apr 24 06 01:45 pm Link

Photographer

J Tate

Posts: 39

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Makes me sad for the fact society has linked sex to beauty so well that even little kids think they have to act "sexy".

Apr 24 06 01:50 pm Link

Photographer

RohanB

Posts: 167

Brooklyn, Indiana, US

This is SAD, this is from their site...

What We Do & Don't Do.



The basic principle is easy. We take images provided by you the model/photographer/agency and create a website. We do not provide photography services.

We promote and manage the site including membership sales and support. We do not promote or manage the models for other type of modeling work.

We pay you to model on one of our sites. What a model makes depends on the site's income. We do not ever charge you a cent for our services.

We do hope to make money for you and us. We do not guarantee that a site will generate income.

We try to pick models we feel will generate interest. We do not accept all submissions.

We keep our sites clean. We do not do nude or sexual sites. If nudity or sexual content is where your interests lie then you are on the wrong site.

We do Digital Video editing, sales and distribution.

We follow the laws of the United States. We do not break these laws.

Apr 24 06 01:57 pm Link

Photographer

Ron B Blake

Posts: 497

Macomb, Illinois, US

Note and just an observation

Notice that these preteen and parents have had decent professional taken images,an actual web site and Make up and hair artist.

Most likley neither so called model or photographer works under TFP Terms

They hide there domain register ownership.

They require a telephone call for there services being sold.

Now compare this to many models and photographers on this web site.

Many dont have .com web site

Many new models wont call or have a BF call.

Many have self taken or amateur taken semi pro photos.


Maybe it is me but who seems more organized and making Money?

and they work in team work were many models and photographers cant

Apr 24 06 02:03 pm Link

Photographer

VisionsofZen

Posts: 349

Berkeley, California, US

Ack...

Apr 24 06 02:06 pm Link

Model

Envy Kitten

Posts: 233

Fresno, California, US

thats just wrong i have no idea how a mom could be ok with putting there daughter out there like that i have a 9 year old daughter and theres no way in hell i dress her up like that its absoultly sickk!!!! and did any one notic how it say to promote them and there photographers  who in the hell would wan tto promote a photographer that would take ppics of youbg girls like that!!!! some times i dont understand this world!!!!!

Apr 24 06 02:07 pm Link

Photographer

Ron B Blake

Posts: 497

Macomb, Illinois, US

eva luv wrote:
thats just wrong i ahve no idea how i mom could be ok with putting there daughter out there like that i have a 9 year old daughter and theres no way in hell i dress her up like that its absoultly sickk!!!! and did any one notic how it say to promote them and there photographers  who in the hell would wan tto promote a photographer that would take ppics of youbg girls like that!!!! some times i dont understand this world!!!!!

I agree that its wrong and dont support or approve it

But im just saying there business practices on how they present themselves and make
profit regardless of what they are selling is better then many semi pro models

Apr 24 06 02:11 pm Link

Photographer

Lens N Light

Posts: 16341

Bradford, Vermont, US

I will say that at a quick look, I can tell you where to find a live show just like this -- just go to any beach. There will be a ton of 12 to 14 yr olds dressed like this. (Not saying it's good, just that it's there!)

Apr 24 06 02:23 pm Link

Photographer

Brewer35MM

Posts: 264

Biddeford, Maine, US

OMFG!!!!!
First I just want to say:
You people surprise me!!!!
“Eww, this makes me sick!â€?  “Whaaa I just feel so sadâ€?  “boo f***ing woo, the poor kids.â€?
Let’s report this site! (maybe you will be the first to do so! But I don’t think so!!)
Get a LIFE!
How many times have you, the photographer been called perverts for shooting nudes!!!
Or how about you the, model who have kids that their friend’s mommy see your MM site and call you a Slut, Dog, and Bitch!!
Who are you people to say what is exceptable and what is not.
We all push the limits to satisfy our artwork.
We all know the laws because we don’t want to break them.

Now I am not saying I agree with this site, But I have now just looked at it, (thanks to the first poster, this site may never have many hits in one day!) and I would have to say I saw nothing illegal on this site.
(All within the US laws.)
I personally would not shoot any one under the age of 16 in a swim suit.
In fact just yesterday I was asked by a mother, “You wouldn’t shoot anything risky of my kid would you?â€? My response was to her, “At the age of 15, I wouldn’t even shoot her in a swim suit.â€?
On the outer hand I shot this 9 year old (fully clothed) and her mother started talking about swim suits and how I felt about it. I told her I would not do this and that at the age of 9 I don’t see any reason to do this. She agreed with me and said her kid was too young. A week later she had a web site put up of the girl, and I looked at it. To my surprise what I had seen was the 9 year old girl was in a two piece.
Parents aren’t all that smart. They feel that any exposure they can get from their kid is good, and it will help them get into modeling as the kid and parent would like to do.


Just on a side note I read that Brooke Shields was being shot nude at the age of “10â€?

Apr 24 06 03:12 pm Link

Photographer

studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

Wretched Beauty wrote:
I really think this is someone's sneaky way of doing child pornography. How do you report this? I am going to look into it!

Gregory Garecki wrote:
I know you are trying to defend your cause but, dude, it will backfire because you apparently don’t understand the disgust and the outrage that most people feel looking at those pictures. It will turn against you.

May as well save your breath. This has been discussed here, and elsewhere, before and no matter how much YOU, personally, or I, or anyone else, may not like it the images are legal and the websites are legal. If they weren't they would have been shut down a long time ago.

Studio36

Apr 24 06 04:34 pm Link

Photographer

studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

double post

Apr 24 06 04:37 pm Link

Model

Kiersten Weaver

Posts: 72

Fort Lewis, Washington, US

Isn't that illegal!!!!!!  I swear that is sooo horrible and gross.  And you know that creepy old guys are looking at that.  They are wearing thongs and stuff like that and they have a better sexy look on their face then some of the professional models.  YUCK!

Apr 24 06 04:43 pm Link

Photographer

Garald Todd

Posts: 67

Dubai, Dubai, United Arab Emirates

V Powell wrote:
I hate I even clicked on that link.   Once I seen the homepage I had to hurry up and close that page.

It loaded like 6 of the top images and I immediately alt-f4'd. 8|

For some reason, I thought it was going to be a link to skateboarding kids crashing or something like that.

ugh /shudders

Garald Todd
Archinofsky Gallery
www.archinofsky.com

Apr 24 06 04:46 pm Link

Model

AnToNiA BaKaLoVa

Posts: 50

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Ohh My God! This is sick, they are like 10 years old and absolutely all the pics are either in swimsuit, lingerine, and with these looks and expressions, man, wonder what they're gonna grow up to..This site doesn't have to do with real modeling even one bit!

Apr 24 06 04:59 pm Link

Photographer

DANACOLE

Posts: 10183

Oslo, Oslo, Norway

rp_photo wrote:

The same white trashers who enter their children in beauty pageants. White trash attitude transcends economic status, as evidenced by the Jon Benet Ramsey tragedy.

I saw some black kids on thier too...so just can't blame it on the white folks  this time

but this is pretty sad and disturbing. I have a 5 yr old and no way in hell she will have any paid sites until she is an adult and can make that decision herself.

but not under my roof....

Apr 24 06 05:03 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

I am just reporting it to Google in an effort to have google take it out of their search engine,

Star

also report webeweb.net, it is the shell company that hosts the site

Apr 24 06 05:16 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

Apr 24 06 05:21 pm Link

Model

Wynd Mulysa

Posts: 8619

Berkeley, California, US

This is totally gross.  It's like 14 year old lingerie.
Who doesn't feel like they're doing something wrong when they look at that? 
I hope these kids aren't serious.

Apr 24 06 05:22 pm Link

Photographer

Jeanette Thompson

Posts: 889

Germantown, Maryland, US

And the site says they don't do sexual or nude images.  They may not do nudes but those images ARE sexually suggestive.  Blech.  I'm adding my report to the others.

Apr 24 06 05:28 pm Link

Photographer

Virtue Photography

Posts: 29

Torrance, California, US

There have been a few programs on the news about these sites.  They have been around for awhile and heavily investigated.  There is a reason they are still up though....they are legal and they are HUGELY popular.  An investigation found the true owners of the sites are often registered off shore companies.  Also, these sites are making literally millions of dollars every year.   They have been taken to court numerous times and won every case.

Apr 24 06 05:28 pm Link

Photographer

UnoMundo

Posts: 47532

Olympia, Washington, US

judging from the young girls  on the site - they look like they are all from Eastern Europe.

The photos may be hosted off-site outside the US.
Well  the fashion wants them younger and younger!

But guess where the paying customers are located.
most likely your republican neighbor

c/o CHILDSUPERMODELS.COM
   P.O. Box 821650
   Vancouver, WA 98682
   US,

Registrant:
   webe web corp

   Registered through: GoDaddy.com
   Domain Name: DANIKA-MODEL.COM

   Domain servers in listed order:
      NS1.WEBEWEB.NET
      NS2.WEBEWEB.NET


   For complete domain details go to:


Current Registrar:     GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
IP Address:     64.135.117.2  (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location:     US(UNITED STATES)-FLORIDA-BOCA RATON
Record Type:     Domain Name
Server Type:     Apache 1
Lock Status:     REGISTRAR-LOCK
Web Site Status:     Active
DMOZ     no listings
Y! Directory:     see listings
Secure:     No
E-commerce:     No
Traffic Ranking:     3
Data as of:     29-Nov-2005

Apr 24 06 05:37 pm Link

Photographer

Jeanette Thompson

Posts: 889

Germantown, Maryland, US

UnoMundo Photography wrote:
judging from the young girls  on the site - thay look like they are all from Eastern Europe.



But guess where the paying custmers are located.
most likely your republican neighbor

c/o CHILDSUPERMODELS.COM
   P.O. Box 821650
   Vancouver, WA 98682
   US,

Registrant:
   webe web corp

   Registered through: GoDaddy.com
   Domain Name: DANIKA-MODEL.COM

   Domain servers in listed order:
      NS1.WEBEWEB.NET
      NS2.WEBEWEB.NET


   For complete domain details go to:


Current Registrar:     GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
IP Address:     64.135.117.2  (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location:     US(UNITED STATES)-FLORIDA-BOCA RATON
Record Type:     Domain Name
Server Type:     Apache 1
Lock Status:     REGISTRAR-LOCK
Web Site Status:     Active
DMOZ     no listings
Y! Directory:     see listings
Secure:     No
E-commerce:     No
Traffic Ranking:     3
Data as of:     29-Nov-2005

Heh, I was just going to post the whois I found.

Apr 24 06 05:38 pm Link

Model

Velvet Wench

Posts: 20

Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota, US

very sad. i cant believe someone would tell a child to pose that way, they obviously arent getting those pose ideas on their own sad

Apr 24 06 05:39 pm Link

Photographer

KEKnight

Posts: 1876

Cumming, Georgia, US

OMG I can't believe this thread still has life.

Apr 24 06 05:44 pm Link

Photographer

Virtue Photography

Posts: 29

Torrance, California, US

"most likely your republican neighboor"   ??  Hmmm, care to explain that ?

Apr 24 06 05:47 pm Link

Photographer

SensualThemes

Posts: 3043

Swoyersville, Pennsylvania, US

I once ran an "adult telephone consulting service" and had uncles and parents of 13 yr olds and younger ask to hire their kids/neices/etc.  I literally had an FBI agent's number on speed dial!

It's sick and I'd suggest we email this website to FBI or whatever organization monitors such things

Apr 24 06 05:52 pm Link

Photographer

Fred MIller

Posts: 52

Burbank, California, US

OK that is some really sick shit!  I am not the most conservative person around and I may have some, hmmm liberated ideas about sex and yes I am male and no I do not have any children.  But that is really sick shit...a playground for pedophiles.  What the F... are they thinking.  Most of those kids are babies!  What twisted MF thought that this was ok?  Who...who would let there child do this?  Man...I have lost the last ounce of hope for this country.  If those parents can't understand why that is so twisted and sick...that's it my blood pressure just spiked and I can't feel my hand.  I gotta go calm down.  Think I'll go look at Scientific American.  Wow...I just don't believe that shit!!

Apr 24 06 06:09 pm Link

Photographer

Dave Krueger

Posts: 2851

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Terry Breedlove wrote:
Sick really some parents need to be shot.

LOL!  Yeah, that would certainly improve the kids' prospects for mental stability and a  loving environment. 

Sorry folks, but letting kids play supermodel just isn't that high on my list of things for which I'd be willing to condemn parents.   I'd reserve the parental execution option for somewhat more serious offenses like selling their kid into slavery or maybe letting the kid get away with throwing a noisy temper tantrum in a movie theater.

Apr 24 06 06:32 pm Link

Model

jade83

Posts: 2253

Columbia, Missouri, US

Stephen Dawson wrote:
I have been contacted by two girls about shooting them for a site like these.

They sent me links to example sites, and both said their mother would be at the shoots.

I gather there is a someone who makes the sites, and girls all over want one. He says find a photographer.

What strikes me, is that it is the young girls who are making the effort to get these sites.

Talk about growing up too fast.

Yes, I saw a similar post in a thread a while back about a mom (described as a very likely heroin user) contacting a photographer about getting her young teen daughter into lingerie modeling!!

Apr 24 06 06:39 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45475

San Juan Bautista, California, US

The FBI is already quite aware of this banner page with all the Webe sites linked to it.  They have been keeping an eagle eye out on it and have done what they can to try to shut them down.  But as the website stated, it is not illegal.   Before we drive ourselves crazy with anger and do something we may regret later in terms of passing new legislature to curtail this sort of website ... let's look at the facts!

This is an example of "Exploitation" of children, and it is not technically or completely illegal.  Adults in the entertainment industry, along with parents, have been doing it for a very long time.  For example, in the movie industry ... Judy Garland, Natalie Woods, and Drew Barrymore, then in the music industry ... Frank Sinatra, Michael Jackson, Leann Rimes, just to name a few ... but there are hundreds, if not thousands of children exploited for the sake of entertainment every year. 

Many of the things that were done to children by the entertainment industry many years ago are illegal today.  But there are clearly ways around it when large sums of money are involved.  So DO keep in mind that children are ON the sets of television shows, movies, and they are also in recording studios making records.  Although you may think that passing laws will put an end to a "Webe website" ... IT WONT!

The Internet is now being used as a tool for entertainment, and this Webe website is a result of that.  While it is not technically illegal when these websites don't cross the line of nudity ... it's too dang close for most of us to be comfortable with.  The "Pandora's Box" has been opened a long time ago. 

Responsible Parenting is the KEY to changing the World Wide Web. As an entertainer and parent, Bill Cosby "gets it!"  I have an understanding of it too, having been young and wanting to be a rock star, actor or famous before I was 18 ... how many of us remember those days?  Is passing an age limit for pictures of people on the Internet going to do it?  No, not a snowballs chance in hell!  Do you want your pictures to be judged as to if the content is "adult" or not?  Can we shut out the rest of the World?  No and No! 

In nearly all countries of Europe and Asia ... you see full nudity constantly.  I have friends from Russia who travel the World and they tell me that "Americans may give the impression that they are liberal minded, and freedom oriented ... but are very different that the rest of the World!"  A breast slipping out during Janet Jacksons performance at the Superbowl barely causes a raised eyebrow in the rest of the World.  Seriously, do you think this Webe Web stuff would have a market outside of the United States?  It doesn't! 

Child pornography MUST be kept illegal because it is the worst of exploitation of children.  As far as I know, child porn IS illegal through out the World, but the solution to slowing down or preventing websites like those produced by Webe Web starts with the PARENTS!

Apr 24 06 06:44 pm Link

Model

Jessica Jill

Posts: 307

Lexington, Kentucky, US

That just makes me really sad and sick to my stomach.  Those poor little kids are being exposed in bikini's all over the internet (well whoever clicks that site).  They are not kid supermodels, sheesh, they are little girls.  Uhuhuh...

Apr 24 06 06:51 pm Link