dncphotos wrote:
working with male models is cool...
however a few I have worked with want to mean mug and pose hard  like they are rappers as thier only way of posing. How many mean stares and holding your nuts shots can one do???

I like the diversity and versatility in posing by female models.

Not the "I'm not gonna smile and pose in any gay like ways" that alot of aspiring and a few accomplished male models say and think.

Encourage them to talk about their girlfriends, and sexual exploits, and football, and all that sort of stuff.  Then they don't have to behave 'hard'.

dncphotos wrote:
working with male models is cool...
however a few I have worked with want to mean mug and pose hard  like they are rappers as thier only way of posing. How many mean stares and holding your nuts shots can one do???

Have you flipped through VIBE or THE SOURCE?  Obviously, to a particular market, it NEVER tires..Don't ask me why--I just point out these guys in the photos have careers as rappers already, and ask after their VIBE photo look, what do they expect to be paid for NEXT month? (Same with girls who want only MAXIM-type photos..."What do you expect to do NEXT?")

GregBrown wrote:

Have you flipped through VIBE or THE SOURCE?  Obviously, to a particular market, it NEVER tires..Don't ask me why--I just point out these guys in the photos have careers as rappers already, and ask after their VIBE photo look, what do they expect to be paid for NEXT month? (Same with girls who want only MAXIM-type photos..."What do you expect to do NEXT?")

yes, I know there is a market for that. However if Im shooting you (especially on a TFP basis,which I rarely do anymore, and we have discussed what we both want from the shoot) and I want a diverse set of looks, I don't want him telling me he doesn't want to do the poses I want him to do because they feel gay to him. Since he feels he has to have a "hard, tough" look in every shot.

P.S. Now if I'm going for the tough, rugged look..thats all fine and dandy . Or if its a paying client and thats all they want. Thats fine too , Even better

dncphotos wrote:

GregBrown wrote:
However if Im shooting you (especially on a TFP basis,which I rarely do anymore, and we have discussed what we both want from the shoot) and I want a diverse set of looks, I don't want him telling me he doesn't want to do the poses I want him to do because they feel gay to him. Since he feels he has to have a "hard, tough" look in every shot.

I think female models have a little more flexibility with expressions for this reason. No face we make is going to make us feel gay lol.

Jay Dezelic wrote:
7.) Male models are usually more mechanically inclined and can help you carry your gear.

9.) Male models can navigate to your studio or location with a simple map or address - making them slightly more punctual.

Not all of them can read a map 
But they are helpful to help carry things on locations. One guy even kept me from getting bit by a snake while shooting near a river.

Jay Dezelic wrote:
1.) Your port will look more like a real people photographer than a guy who just likes to shoot scantly clad chicks.

More than likely I'll look like a guy who likes to shoot male models...bound and dommed by scantilly clad chicks, which is fine by me.

Jay Dezelic wrote:
10.) You will have less of a chance of being reported to the authorities as a possible perv when out shooting male models.

Is that a challenge?

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
...Is that a challenge?

No. The challenge is to consider including more male models in your work

Marksora wrote:
You can often be more creative with the photography especially if shooting for the model's book.   Shooting women for agencies is often formulaic with little room to be creative.

Ain't that the truth (as far as portfolio work for agencies go)... And nobody ever really tells you that, either. That's just something most people have to figure out with experience.

9 times out of 10, in my fashion/lifestyle work, shooting with a guy is a more chill experience. One of my most recent agency tests (something I don't do very often anymore) was a Swedish soccer player-turned-model. We talked soccer the whole time between exposures.

Claire Elizabeth wrote:
I think female models have a little more flexibility with expressions for this reason. No face we make is going to make us feel gay lol.

By far the most flexible and versatile models with whom I've worked have been the guys.  Not that women don't have the same range, because they certainly do, just pointing out that women don't necessarily have an advantage in this regard. 

There are some guys who seem to have hang-ups with their masculinity that makes them think they must always look "menacing" but that's no different than their female counterparts who think the totality of feminine expression revolves around bedroom allure (which appears to be projected too often as sullen indifference)...

Jay Dezelic wrote:
6.) Male models don't scream, giggle or make you drool on your expensive camera equipment. - Making it possible for you to concentrate more on getting a great shot.

7.) Male models are usually more mechanically inclined and can help you carry your gear.


9.) Male models can navigate to your studio or location with a simple map or address - making them slightly more punctual.

Hello, my name is huge chauvinistic sterotype...and you are?

Nemi wrote:

Hello, my name is huge chauvinistic sterotype...and you are?

Um, I have to say: I think Jay was trying to be funny here... if anyone has ever read Jay's posts, they're never about being chauvinist in any way, shape, or form...

I'll extend this post to say that I think sometimes females models can really add to their port by working with male models (myself included, of course!) 

Jay Dezelic wrote:
9.) Male models can navigate to your studio or location with a simple map or address - making them slightly more punctual.

Not true. I had a shoot with 3 last weekend and they all got lost. As of right now, the women have a better track record with following directions

Nemi wrote:
Hello, my name is huge chauvinistic sterotype...and you are?

All in good fun Katie I am about the furthest person you will meet from being chauvinistic.  That's why I think there should be more consideration by photogs on MM to shoot with male models.  The common stereotype I see is that many photogs can only get compelling imagery with female models. Or worse, many think that men are the only ones who deserve to be tantalized by pictures of the opposite sex.

Iona Lynn wrote:
The only way I'd shoot with you Jay, is if you wear one of those sexy kilts.....

That can be easily arranged. I have many choices of styles and colors. - See, male models are so accommodating!

CristinaLex wrote:
I dont know if this has been said but....

you dont have to worry about thier nipples gettin brutally hard...( I hope some will get the jokne )

umm... I think they kinda work the same way

Jay Dezelic wrote:
Ok I thought I would submit this light-humored list of reasons to shoot with a male model because I see that about 95% of the photography on MM is with female models - (While the real world of pro photography seams to be substantially less sexually biased).

Snip

Since meeting you at one of my networking events and getting to talk to you, I agree with all you’ve said.
It was one of the threads on MM that prompted me to ask you to collaborate on a shoot, and am glad we did.

Shooting with you was fun and a new experience for me since we shot in the rain. You were helpful with suggestions on some of the locations and wardrobe for the shots and you were willing to explore several alternate locations for shooting at (3 in total).
For an impromptu shoot, I think we worked well together.

Thank you again for the opportunity to work with you.

Jay Dezelic wrote:
No. The challenge is to consider including more male models in your work

You obviously don't know me very well.  Unlike most photographers, my motto is: "I shoot who shows up."  If you're willing to show up, take off your clothes and be tied up faux-shibari style, then it's all good.  As soon as you get here, we can get to work.

Your move...

Craig Thomson wrote:

Since meeting you at one of my networking events and getting to talk to you, I agree with all you’ve said.
It was one of the threads on MM that prompted me to ask you to collaborate on a shoot, and am glad we did.

Shooting with you was fun and a new experience for me since we shot in the rain. You were helpful with suggestions on some of the locations and wardrobe for the shots and you were willing to explore several alternate locations for shooting at (3 in total).
For an impromptu shoot, I think we worked well together.

Thank you again for the opportunity to work with you.

Thanks Craig!  I hope we can shoot again soon now that the weather is getting better.  If more photogs were like you then MM would be a more balanced place of artistic talent.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

You obviously don't know me very well.  Unlike most photographers, my motto is: "I shoot who shows up."  If you're willing to show up, take off your clothes and be tied up faux-shibari style, then it's all good.  As soon as you get here, we can get to work.

Your move...

Hmm... Haven't done that kind of shoot yet.  Could be interesting. - I get out to PA every once in a while.  You never know. In the mean time, I bet you will find local male models that will be open to your creative ideas.  Enjoyed reading your bio and learning about your artistic mission.  I know very little about this form of art, but I can see in your port that it is more than just about fetish. - Intriguing work by the way.

shelly1982 wrote:
I can't wait for Dennis to come over to shoot with me hopefully at the tail end of this year..
I just want some cool black and white shots and also a shot where i am being tickled kinda natural i think as i am very tickleish could go good or bad me thinks hahaha..

no i am looking forward to working with him at some point..

any other takers though for the mean time?

**ahem**

xx shelly xx

Umm... Did you have a sex change recently? I don't see the relevance here.

Jay Dezelic wrote:

Hmm... Haven't done that kind of shoot yet.  Could be interesting. - I get out to PA every once in a while.  You never know. In the mean time, I bet you will find local male models that will be open to your creative ideas.

You obviously don't know Pittsburgh very well either, but that's certainly not your fault.

Jay Dezelic wrote:

Hmm... Haven't done that kind of shoot yet.  Could be interesting. - I get out to PA every once in a while.  You never know. In the mean time, I bet you will find local male models that will be open to your creative ideas.  Enjoyed reading your bio and learning about your artistic mission.  I know very little about this form of art, but I can see in your port that it is more than just about fetish. - Intriguing work by the way.

BTW:  If you're really serious about doing a fetish shoot, you're certainly in the right place!  There are about 25,000 fetish shooters in your area...and most of them are fantastic!  If you look around, I think you'll find no shortage of people who'd be happy to strip you down and tie you up...and I'm sure most of them would even take photos of it as well!

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
If you look around, I think you'll find no shortage of people who'd be happy to strip you down and tie you up...and I'm sure most of them would even take photos of it as well!

Umm isn't that true anywhere?  Its finding people that WANT to be stripped down and teid up thats the prolem.  Doubly  so if you want them to STOP at under garments

Zeo wrote:

Umm isn't that true anywhere?  Its finding people that WANT to be stripped down and teid up thats the prolem.  Doubly  so if you want them to STOP at under garments

It's actually much truer in the PNW where the OP hails from.

The Thorny Rose wrote:
I'd love to do some shoots with male models... there just aren't a lot in my area who like the kind of shots I do...

There's just something about a chick in vinyl and a guy in a polo that just doesn't work for me...

Why are male models often associated with conservative styles like polo shirts?  You can dress them in other things too.  If they will only model polo shirts, are you really talking about real models or just your average joe?