Jennyblair wrote:
honestly, a model should know whether or not the escort she is bringing is going to be disruptive.  If you have an insanely jealous bf who just found out you model then bringing him probably isn't a good idea.  Simple common sense.

You used "common sense" and "model" in the same paragraph.  JK!

William Coleman wrote:

You used "common sense" and "model" in the same paragraph.  JK!

hahahaha yeah my mistake

Bill Tracy wrote:

I don't think so.  I kept turning around and asking what the heck he was doing, and he would just clam up and grin.  He was really strange.

That sounds very disrespectful. I don't blame you for asking them to leave.

On another note it's a good idea to get the model to act spontanious as long as the background actor "escort" and the photographer are on the same page beforehand. hmmm.

images by elahi wrote:
would not a "Pre-shoot" or "pre-prod" meeting between model and photog alleviate the need for an "escort?"

Maybe, if the pre-shoot meeting goes well.  But if not...

A model and I exchanged many emails, then finally set up a meeting in a diner.  She walks in.  Followed by her brother.  Followed by her brother's friend.  Followed by her brother's other friend.  I sat across from the brother and friends for half an hour while the brother, a mouth-breather, glared at me.

I canceled the shoot.  If the model and I don't communicate well pre-shoot, we're not going to communicate in the shoot.  Who knows who she would have surprised me with at the shoot?  Models, don't bring your bodyguards to the pre-shoot meeting in a public place.  You don't need them there.  Besides, that meeting is like a job interview.  Only you should be there, anyway.

Bill Tracy wrote:
I was all set to kick this guys ass. I haven't been that pissed off in a long time.

And Bill looks like he can kick some ass too.

JackieC wrote:
I WOULD NEVER BRING MY HUSBAND TO A SHOOT!! that would be so uncomfortable!

My kinda model.

Marker220 wrote:
Put the dork to work in there. Here, grab this reflector, take 35 secondd to show him how to hold it... then 3 more seconds to show him how to hold it in a position that he thinks is right but in no way messed with your image - and make him and the model realize that YOU are serious about this and it is in fact WORK, not time to act like a jerk. Or, send him out for something... doughnuts, fishnets, some prop that you KNOW he will have a hard time with. Work around it.

Why work around it?  Kick their asses out onto the street.  It's not like there's only one model on earth.

Elektro_Kandy wrote:

Agency models also aren't working with people they spoke with online. They are working with people who usually have worked with their agency before. Bad things still happen, I bet, but I also bet it's not near as often as it is in the world of internet modeling where any idiot can pick up a camera, join a site like this, and call themselves a photog. I always make sure to check referances and some such so 99.928375648392% of the time I would be sure that the person was fine. But telling me I *can't* bring someone else, does - in fact - make me question a guy's motives.

Prior to a shoot, I gave a model my references.  A few minutes into the shoot, I said, "By the way, which of my references did you contact?"  She said, "Oh, I figured since you gave me the references, there was no need to check them."

I should have raped and sodomized her.

CK Photography wrote:
It's happened to me once a looooooong time ago.  That's why I don't shoot if they bring boyfriends.  They can bring anyone they want, just not a boyfriend.

I agree. but add parents. They can be worse, only reason a parent needs to be there if the model is a minor.

JenniferMaria wrote:
Isn't this interesting? The majority of the models who posted bring escorts, most of them are the boyfriends or the husbands, and every last one is "a sweet guy, stays out of the way, assists, knows when to be quiet" kinda guy.

Not to say that there aren't guys that can't shut their traps on set out there, but I wonder...

Does a model ever really know how well behaved her boyfriend/husband is or is she just saying that because she's biased? "My sweetie would never do that"

Like people complaining about bratty kids in the supermarkets and parents saying "my child would never do that", quite possibly while these words are uttered, the kiddiewinkies are running down aisle 9 with tampons stuck in their noses.

I know him well enough to determine that and if i feel my boyfriend with pitch a fit i'll tell him not to go. I've been with him for about 5 years now and pretty sure he wont act up (besides you can always compare a bratty kid to a boyfriend whom is probably 18 and up.) I'm truly disapointed by that guy acting up, he should be kicked real hard. I make sure to state my boyfriend as a escort but i'm sure to tell the photographer he's my boyfriend.

JenniferMaria wrote:
Does a model ever really know how well behaved her boyfriend/husband is or is she just saying that because she's biased? "My sweetie would never do that"

when he's the kind of guy that will go watch a movie or draw in his car and fall asleep the rest of the duration of the shoot, or just pick me up when I'm done, yes, I know he's no harm : P But then to come to think of it, I guess that doesn't really constitute "escort" does it? it's more of a "driver" haha

Sascha wrote:

when he's the kind of guy that will go watch a movie or draw in his car and fall asleep the rest of the duration of the shoot, or just pick me up when I'm done, yes, I know he's no harm : P But then to come to think of it, I guess that doesn't really constitute "escort" does it? it's more of a "driver" haha

Yeah, it's more of a "Driving Miss Sascha" than escort. lol

I personally don't forbid escorts, but I have very very low tolerance for unruliness.

JenniferMaria wrote:

Yeah, it's more of a "Driving Miss Sascha" than escort. lol

I personally don't forbid escorts, but I have very very low tolerance for unruliness.

I know, I know, I'm spoiled by my man hehehe

LarryB wrote:
I've noticed that with the camera turned sideways, I can often see what's going on behind me in the reflection on the LCD screen.  Helps to see if someone is being an fucktard behind your back.

I really need to incorporate "fucktard" into my everyday dialogue. Thanks for reminding me of that great name! As for your situation today.. I feel bad for you. I'd be raging pissed off too..no photographer deserves that.

I've actually never had a model bring an escort on a shoot, I consider myself lucky that way. But from all the bad stories I've heard, I'm considering making that a rule. If a MUA is there or someone else from my camp, that should serve as an escort. If they don't like it, don't shoot with me. And yes, I now have them sign the release form before the shoot..

Hope it never happens again to you!
Best wishes.. Patrick :-)

Bill Tracy wrote:
I just had a shoot, TFP of course, and this girl brought her boyfriend.

Holy crap was this guy an a$$hole.  He would keep quiet until I started shooting.  Then I could here him doing something behind my back and they both would start giggling. WTF??  I kept turning around quick to try and catch him at whatever the hell he was doing, but he was too quick for me. He would just sit there with a stupid grin on his a$$hole face.  I'm still so pissed off right now!

So after about 20 minutes of this, I turned everything off in the studio and said, "Well I had about enough of this crap.  Here's the release, fill it out and sign it and I'll mail you your 9 images on a friggin CD." She filled it out and was quite upset at her boyfriend for pissing me off.  He seemed happy and kept saying, "Well that's fine with me then, let's go babe."

Has anyone had similar experiences?

Not so much with BFs but with models...some models smell of such BO or that after sex smell that its gross! I mean people please wash yourself b u go to a shoot these people who work with u are in ur personal space.
Not saying that every model out there does this but some do.

Elektro_Kandy wrote:

Escorts aren't usually just "doing nothing". They make very good pack mules. Think of them more as an assistant for the model. Photographers are allowed to have assistants, why can't models?

An escort is there presumably to stop harm to the model.  If the person with the model is there to hold the model's makeup bag, wash her feet, whatever, then he/she is an assistant.    They are two different things, serve two different purposes.  Bringing someone along because you don't trust the photographer enough to not harm you means that you don't feel safe.   Calling someone an assistant doesn't change the dynamic of not trusting the situation.

I say own it.  If you don't feel safe, then let's not call the person accompanying you anything other than what they are, a bodyguard or escort.

adam garrett wrote:
If anyone ever has a similar prob, I'd recommend conspicuously using a mirror to see what he's doing

I was trying like heck to use the dark screen on the back of my camera, but I couldn't get it to work.  Maybe I'll get a tiny piece of mirror and hot glue it to the camera somewhere - lol!