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Kicked out a model for the first time today...
Some people don't really like to work and those are the people that you have to becareful of because they also have a habit of ruining everybody else's time. I think that if a stylist or make up artist is there as a model you can feel safe. Further if you arrange a pre-meet or shoot both photog and model can give a description to someone they know if anything where to happen. The only time to not feel safe is if you tell nobody where you are going. Common sense dictates in this trype of situation. If you are serious about your work than you will be PROFESSIONAL! I personally like to make sure I have a connection with the photoghaper when we work cause the pics turn out better. So people or not I only have eyes for the camera..lol I dont like distractions so if I was to bring someone they would have to shut the hell up and not disturb my work. I am also my own woman and this is a job so I dont involve my personal life. Just one of my principle's of business. If people feel more secure with their Bf's or husbands than that is their perogative just dont be a loser and waste people's time because you dont really care about your job. If you are a professional than be one, not all the apple's on the tree have worms. Alisun Mar 17 06 09:44 am Link Stupid @$$hole!!! People like HIM make it hard for people like US who have respectful boyfriends/husbands/significant others/etc. to bring them around. I feel MORE comfortable when my boyfriend is at the shoot - it's like a support system. PLUS he will tell me the TRUTH about how I look, etc. Of course, if the photographer wishes I come along without a boyfriend - that's no problem either... damn d!ck!! Mar 17 06 09:54 am Link I agree that the media probably blows creepo photographers out of proportion but it only takes on evil guy to ruin it for everyone. Short story: Back in the 90's there was a really well known photographer in California - he shot with the football team - I can't remember which city but I think it might have been the 49ers. Unbeknownst to most of the people he was a violent psycho. He convinced one of the beautiful cheerleeders to do a photoshoot with him. She had no reason to distrust him since he was well known and worked for a major company. He did pretty much what you are expecting out of this story and left her body in the mountains. They convicted him but it makes a model think twice about a photographer. Just because he is good or well known doesn't seem to mean much. References are the best way to go about it. Shame the girl didn't do it. Mar 17 06 10:11 am Link Here's my take on this entire subject and, while I haven't yet been to a shoot with my wife, I do plan on going in the interests of learning and educating myself. At that point in time I will ask the photographer if he / she is comfortable with me in the area and what the ground rules are. It's their place of business (even if its an outdoor shoot) that I am intruding myself on so I have to respect their rules as I would expect the rules of my house or office to be respected. When a model and a photographer are doing a shoot they are working and the escort / significant other should respect that. Would they want someone coming where they work and be a distraction, clown, fucktard, etc? I would venture to say that the ones that actually have jobs outside of the local fast food joint wouldn't. For that matter if he's trying to get the frys done he probably doesn't want somebody messing with him either. I think it all boils down to maturity and professionalism on the part of all parties present. One fool can ruin it for everybody and cost both the photographer and the model in a very real and financial way. Mar 17 06 10:28 am Link In my opinion It all depends on the individuals. Some can be helpful, and some can be assholes. Mar 17 06 10:44 am Link SithVixen wrote: That's a bit different though. Mar 17 06 03:56 pm Link I do not bring an escort. I bring an assistant, big difference. Someone to be in control of my bag, to bring me water so I can stay in a pose or to help me move into a new pose if needed. If I have worked with someone for awhile I usually do not worry so much, but honestly, creeps people. There are alot of them out there and I do not mess around. I can take care of myself, so can others I am sure but sometimes it really helps to have someone around. Not for yourself but as a reminder to the other one that messing around is not favored. ( I mean as in if it was agreed to be an artisitic nude shoot it will most likely stay that way instead of shades of grey billowing in. I know that offends most photographers but that is honest truth. I have been in the industry long enough to know that.) Also if they say no "escorts" or assistants, I have them drive there anyways and wait in a car or in a nearby cafe. In the wilderness I bring a long range radio. That isn't being immature and not professional. It is just plain smart. I also have a contract for photographers, it has nothing to do with rights of photos or anything. It states that I do some things and I do not do others. They must sign this and be aware of those things at the scene of the shoot (which is another reason for an assistant because they are witness.) This stops pictures that do not respect my creed of classical work in photography. I also do photography, I do not mind people being around. Their hands will end up being filled being a gopher anyways.  Mar 17 06 04:29 pm Link Does this topic ever get old? We should accumulate a huge FAQ sheet/thread with all of these recurring issues clearly defined and explained. Mar 17 06 04:48 pm Link compiling an FAQ or sheet wouldn't stop it from happening or make it any less frustrating when it does.  Mar 17 06 04:52 pm Link No boyfriends for me either. I tell the models that bringing their mom would make them more comfortable than the BF. I've only had to refuse to shoot llamas twice, both because they were soooo stoned that they couldn't fully open their eyes. Mar 17 06 04:56 pm Link Photos by Dwayne wrote: LOL- I did the same thing. I was staying in LA and I was doing a shoot with a girl who was bringing an escort/ boyfriend even tho we already had a mua. So- I invited a couple of my photographer friends too- lol. It was fun- we all were talking and had a good shoot. Ohhh- until her boyfriend got sleepy and started complaining and talked the model (who wanted to continue shooting) into leaving. Mar 17 06 05:01 pm Link If the escort is distracting I just have them wait in the next room. In my stdio they an hear everything but not be a distraction. I also do not like boyfriends as escorts. The model is always asking if this is alright or that is alright. I end up saying "if You have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it" or "would you do it if he wasn't here?" I find in either case it's better to get everything up front and inform the model that if the escort is a distraction they will be asked to leave and the model will not be paid. Mark Mar 17 06 05:02 pm Link If the llama herder is distracting I just have them wait in the next room. In my studio they an hear everything but not be a distraction. I also do not like boyfriends as llama herders. The model is always asking if this is alright or that is alright. I end up saying "if You have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it" or "would you do it if he wasn't here?" I find in either case it's better to get everything up front and inform the model that if the llama herder is a distraction they will be asked to leave and the model will not be paid. Mark Mar 17 06 05:02 pm Link 5 pages later- the answer remains. Escorts= bad! :-) Mar 17 06 05:04 pm Link Just checking in to see if, after 5 pages, this discussion turned into something worthwhile...  plus I'm just bored... Mar 17 06 05:28 pm Link SithVixen wrote: She was a Raiderette .. and I had the great oppurtunity to once work with her myself .. The Raiders and the entire community were devastated, as she was very well loved by her peers, and well respected in her community .. a sad sad day indeed .. Mar 17 06 05:33 pm Link Well I mentioned something...Escort vs. Assistant. Those are not the same thing but people tend to put them in as such. Escort also never reminds me of a postive meaning since it is commonly used in relation to male/female adult escorts, a police escort, a parental escort, ect. An Assistant is exactly what it says. That person is there to assist the model (and photographer if need.), they are not there to escort them. Mine are usually paid by me for the time of the shoot as well. It's a real job to them. Honestly bringing a boyfriend or girlfriend can be bad if not unprofessional, family members are worse for that matter. However, there are a few situations where that could be deemed okay. In the end I think there should be a meeting right before the shoot or a few days up hand. Take a look at the situation before hand. Mar 17 06 05:43 pm Link I had something like that happen last night, but I'm so new that I can use all the models I can get for practice, so I put up with it. The models little brother insisted on spitting everywhere while I tried to shoot. I was afraid it was going to hit me, so every other shot was me jumping out of the way with a giant blur across the frame. Annoying. Mar 17 06 05:51 pm Link CK Photography wrote: I can understand the experience was frustrating, but I think banning boyfriends outright from attending a shoot isn't the solution... it won't necessarily prevent the same problem from occurring with a "punk-*ss" friend. The problem isn't that the guest was a boyfriend, it's that he was a dillhole. Only way to keep annoying guests away, I reckon, is to request a phone conversation with them before the shoot - that way you can get a sense of what sort of person this is, and explain to them what you expect of them during the shoot. Mar 17 06 06:00 pm Link I always let the model bring anyone she wants, but if it is a boy friend or hubby I put him to work so there is no goofing off. Mar 17 06 06:02 pm Link Nihilus wrote: It's never going to end. Mar 17 06 08:23 pm Link Jose- JoseOnline wrote: Because those people decide to bring bad people or irresponsible ones. My boyfriend isn't just my escort and personal strentgh, he's my assistant as well, helps me with my supplies and gives constrcutive criticism about poses that would help. He also is there to help the photographer with his reflectors or such. People like the gal mention at the begining of this thread are perfect examples of a person who gives a bad name to professional modeling and escorts. Escort shouldn't be bad, but they gave that title to them. Mar 17 06 08:38 pm Link I can quite safely say, without a doubt, that were I to bring my husband on ANY shoot, he would not only be perfectly acceptable as an escort but also in many ways a help in the shoot. The jealousy issue is a big one for many men, and luckily, he is not a jealous man. That is not to say however, that he would not fulfill the role of "escort" and be okay with a photographer acting unprofessional or making me uneasy, uncomfortable, or behaving "sleazily". After asking the photographer to remain on track should the photographer revisit the behaviour, then and only then would my husband step in and have anything to say. I'm lucky in that aspect. However, there is a VAST difference between a husband and a boyfriend. Mar 17 06 08:45 pm Link I'm not currently with an agency. When a part of an agency, you know you're being sent off to do a job and it is entirely professional... However, if you are not part of an agency and you're being contacted by seemingly random people, then you have to watch out for yourself. You never know what the motives of these people may be.. which is why I always bring someone close to me to shoots that are not related to an agency. Mar 17 06 08:49 pm Link all you girls who are saying that your escort is a great assistant- awesome- give him my number and I might give him a job on my next shoot where YOU are NOT the model. -Jose Mar 17 06 08:54 pm Link Sasha Palacio wrote: Jose- JoseOnline wrote: Because those people decide to bring bad people or irresponsible ones. My boyfriend isn't just my escort and personal strentgh, he's my assistant as well, helps me with my supplies and gives constrcutive criticism about poses that would help. He also is there to help the photographer with his reflectors or such. People like the gal mention at the begining of this thread are perfect examples of a person who gives a bad name to professional modeling and escorts. Escort shouldn't be bad, but they gave that title to them. How sad of a person are you? You NEED your boyfriend to be your strength! LMAO Mar 17 06 09:04 pm Link SithVixen wrote: Had said model brought her boyfriend, he too would have been found in the mountains... Mar 17 06 09:05 pm Link Jose- JoseOnline wrote: Amen. Mar 17 06 09:10 pm Link I make sure models don't bring a boyfriend. Both times that happened, bad things happened during the shoot. I don't mind them bringing someone to the shoot but I always make sure that it's not a boyfriend. One girl was posing more for her boyfriend then concentrating on posing for the shots she needed. Another time the boyfriend had to put in his 2 cents of though into every pose and shot. Extremely annoying. Never again. Mar 17 06 09:18 pm Link Hamza wrote: F* U you don't know me, my past or anything for that matter so who are you to judge me! I was malested twice when i was a kid and decided to distance myself from males for a long time, then i met my boyfriend, i felt safe and secure with him and has for the last 5 years we've been together. We're planning on getting married so i considered him my strengh since he will be my husband and future father of my children. Mar 17 06 09:48 pm Link Bill Tracy wrote: You obviously didn't give him enough of your stuff to carry. Gotta keep the slave labor in it's place, you know! Mar 18 06 12:32 am Link Sasha Palacio wrote: California is 2,000 miles away; so, it's really no skin off my teeth at all, but I'm sure a post like this will REALLY impress a lot of reputable photographers, who would book your boyfriend LONG before they would ever shoot with you. Eeeek! Mar 18 06 06:15 am Link Boyfriends have been great as escorts, but maybe that's because I'm a female photographer. I make them useful and move lights for me. I did have one bad experience with a mother, though. She was nice enough, but she was more aggressive about her daughter's modeling career than the actual model. Worse, though, was when she fed my two dogs CHOCOLATE. My dogs threw up all over my apartment, and I flipped out! It was my very first shoot as a photographer, too. Mar 18 06 11:54 pm Link Im so sorry to hear that one A$$hole ruined it for all the guys..see that is what gives husbands and bf a bad name..I just got off a shoot in Houston and took my husband...he just sat there very quiet and watched..helped with posing ideas or holding a reflector and that is it...i guess you just have to both be serious about your work (meaning the model and the bf/husband) better luck to you -Mar 19 06 12:00 am Link We've had one model who brought her boyfriend who became as invisible as possible. My husband shoots bondage work and the guy would glance over every now and then and make sure she was okay but otherwise, he stayed the heck out of the way. She doesn't even bring him any more when she works with my husband. Not all boyfriends are going to be jerks. Some girls just have those possessive, jealous guys who really don't WANT their girlfriends modeling. It's a shame. I hate seeing the good ones thrown in with the bad ones. It's like that old saying goes though, a few bad apples spoil the whole barrel. Only bad boyfriend problem we've had was the boyfriend showing up AFTER the shoot (he was not the model's escort, she brought a friend), asking my husband "are you the pervert?" and demanding he hand over the photos (the model had been paid and had a signed model release) or he'd call his buddy in the FBI. He left when he realized we were calling the cops instead. Gee, amazingly enough, we never heard from the FBI either. None of the models I shoot ever bring escorts. I'm guessing it's because I'm a female photographer and they feel more comfortable or something. Many of them know my husband too and have agreed to shoot with me because of their experiences with him, sometimes without a clear concept in mind (it's nice having a husband with a good reputation to help me build my own but I'm more of a flake than he is  ).Mar 19 06 12:15 am Link Universal Beauty wrote: What is wrong with you guys, all you can do is bash on others because you seriously believe your all that?! Excuse me to say, but was i talking to you? And do i care what you think, maybe I'm glad your 2,000 miles away! And i've had alot of photographers work with me successfully without a bother of my boyfriend being with me. What I choose to do in my career is my own, so if you don't like it Oh Well! What does it freakin matter whether or not i decide to work with my boyfriend present, if you don't like it, ok, don't work with a model who brings one, just don't hate them either. Mar 19 06 01:44 am Link Everyone should remember two things - an escort's behavior at the shoot says a lot about the model, and the professional face the model puts forth to the public says a lot about what her escort will be like if she brings one. cough...cough... Mar 19 06 06:20 am Link quite pathetic!! it is sh$t like that that ruins it for all professional models... you know, it is getting harder and harder when photographers (unlike you) act like pervs so girls need to bring thier boyfriends... or when so called "models" unlike me, act like complete idiots and waste your time... i'm sorry... Mar 19 06 06:26 am Link theda wrote: I hope you were kidding..... Mar 19 06 06:26 am Link I once shot a girl that was high on drugs , she was so wasted i told her that after 50 pics that we were done , she said ok , not realizing she was getting fired and went to her chauffer driven car ( mercedes) , I have a feeling she was "Connected" if you know what I mean , so I am glad she didn't make a fuss. Mar 19 06 10:25 am Link |
