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Does Nude/Topless photos make someone a slut?
Hi guys, Now the obvious answer to this is no and how ridiculous for someone to assume that because you take on a sexy persona in photos, you also have little to no morals. Because I've recently done a topless shoot and been very proud of the photos, I'm obviously against this idea but I'm of a few in my group of friends unfortunately. Although they say they don't feel that way about me, I've shown them other models who have done similar work to mine and they're first thoughts were 'Yeah, she looks like the type to sleep around'. I have a few questions on this. The first being to the togs - In your personal life, would you think twice about dating a model that shot nude images? And to the models - do you, in any way, look down on girls that have done topless/nude photos? Please be honest, I won't be offended. I'm genuinely curious about where people stand on this. Kelly Mar 10 06 06:58 am Link it's subjective and objetive if you appreciate art and the human form...a tasteful topless shot is beautiful nevermind..breakfast is ready Mar 10 06 07:03 am Link Wow, I'm sorry your friends are being judgemental about this really. I guess I'm lucky in that I show all my friends pictures and they are very supportive. I have done a little nudity and topless (mostly with pasties) but nude is nude I guess...lol. I personally don't look down on any other model for her choices. If the choices work for her then I am always supportive. Stick to your gun and your limits and do things that make you proud. Sometimes others will like it sometimes they won't, but as long as you can live with your own choices then that's what matters in the end. Best of luck to you. Mar 10 06 07:06 am Link The first thing is there is no such thing as a "Tog." You are going to find yourself on the wrong side of a lot of photographers if you use the term. I have no idea why models think they can use it. It is actually offensive to some. But that wasn't a bash. It has just been something that has entered our vocabulary, ONLY ON THE NET and needs to be nipped in the bud. If you said that on a mainstream shoot you would be thought of as very unprofessional and would probably not find yourself working with that photographer again. Second, you are making an issue over nothing. I would have no problem dating a nude model. The industry is about art. Do you think that Meg Ryan would have trouble getting a date because she has done a nude scene? The important thing is to express yourself in the ways you want to. If the guy you like doesn't like you because of your modeling, then he probably isn't the right guy for you anyhow. The shots you have posted are tasteful and artistic. I guess I am telling you not to worry about it. The sky isn't going to fall because you have done a topless shot. Mar 10 06 07:12 am Link I am married and have done some topless shots as well as bodypainting. My husband was and is always behind me all the way. But I have heard snide remarks from friends and family. I blow them off. As long as I am comfortable with it, that is what matters. Mar 10 06 07:16 am Link Topless Photoshooting does not imply a loss of morals, but is a bit of an expression outside the cultured craftiness of most B belt Americans. It does not prove to be anything to stone a lovely over, but can hinder the tender hearted one without inner confidence... I love Art and artistic peeps, I love the female form created and creative. Mar 10 06 07:17 am Link Kelly Kooper wrote: its not about being nude, its about how you pull it off. honestly i can understand how your shots would give people the idea that youre a slut. Youre doing softcore porn and you seem to enjoy it. Take a photo like kate moss' topless photos though, and no one would think she is a slut, because its a totally different genre and it has a totally different vibe. Mar 10 06 07:17 am Link I only date models whom I've shot nude. Kidding. Your pictures are very pretty. Nothing there to be ashamed of. As for everyone else: F#@K them. Mar 10 06 07:17 am Link If the person who's making the judgement is a narrowminded, petty, worthless idiot with low self esteem, huge jealousy issues and no idea how to live a normal life, then the answer is yes. To anyone vaguely normal - no. Mar 10 06 07:18 am Link Shooting topless makes you as much as a slut, as shooting with a sword or gun makes you a murderer or traintracks makes you a hobo.... I also second the motion to cease and desist the use of the term "tog." Mar 10 06 07:21 am Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: That is news to me, I didn't realise tog was considered so inappropriate. As you said yourself, it is netspeak and I don't think I've ever used it once vocally but typically, everything is being shortened and photographer was of them. I picked up that habit from one of the Australian forums, where absolutely everybody uses 'tog' as a reference to photographers and I ended up being one of the few people writing it out in full. It felt silly so i joined the rest. I will refrain from that if it bothers people so much but like I said, I had no idea. Mar 10 06 07:29 am Link You're suffering from a case of mistaken identity. Those people aren't your friends. Mar 10 06 07:29 am Link Who cares what other people think? Are they tastefully done? Are you happy with how thw images came out? If they were done artistically and you love them then to hell with everyone else. To me a woman can never be a slut. If a man sleeps with as many woman as possible he is considered a stud. I have always hated that double standard. Mar 10 06 07:31 am Link I just looked at your port. Blessed with that body? Hell yeah show it off. Mar 10 06 07:33 am Link Christopher Wright wrote: to who? a man like that is a freaking loser , an std infested skank, and undatable in my book Mar 10 06 07:38 am Link Yours was actually the response I was expecting so I might as well single it out. First things first - yep, there's a different between glamour nude and fashion nude. I'm not arguing that and of course there's a huge difference. But my question wasn't what category mine fell into. I advertise myself as a glamour model and I'me fine with that. My issue was why people assumed that because a girl takes sexy photos, it would also mean she sleeps around. I don't see how the two relate to each other and THAT was my actual question! Also when I asked if the photographers would date a model who does nudes, I didn't specify one gender, the question was to either so yes, I'm aware they come in both genders. Why does it sicken you? Mar 10 06 07:39 am Link Kelly Kooper wrote: its not about being nude, its about how you pull it off. honestly i can understand how your shots would give people the idea that youre a slut. Youre doing softcore porn and you seem to enjoy it. Take a photo like Dean Johnson' topless photos though, and no one would think she is a slut, because its a totally different genre and it has a totally different vibe. Yours was actually the response I was expecting so I might as well single it out. First things first - yep, there's a different between glamour nude and fashion nude. I'm not arguing that and of course there's a huge difference. But my question wasn't what category mine fell into. I advertise myself as a glamour model and I'me fine with that. My issue was why people assumed that because a girl takes sexy photos, it would also mean she sleeps around. I don't see how the two relate to each other and THAT was my actual question! my issue was simply with your title. No its not about nudity...theyre judging you because you do glamour, not because you do nudity. If you already knew that you should have made it clear from the get go. Mar 10 06 07:41 am Link Kelly Kooper wrote: Actually, there have been threads trying to get models to stop using it. Models are the only ones who refer to photographers as togs. You don't hear it from photographers, stylists, casting directors, etc. You are right. It is a netspeak term used by models only. When you see a photographer refer to himself as a tog, then it might change, but it never happens. Mar 10 06 07:42 am Link We live in a world here in the US where we have many open minded individuals and a minority of those with closed puritan, narrow minded ethics. The latter see see things differently because of their miserable guilt ridden lives. They are to be pitied and often need psychiatric help. They don't see beauty in the naked female form, but lust and fear of being led astray. That big ruckus about entertainer Janet Jackson showing a nipple on stage& TV for 2 seconds was an evidence of a ridiculous happening. It is a very sick society that feels it has to protest over such a minor incident. If you have a beautiful, youthful body...thank your lucky stars...flaunt it .... and if your friends still think you are a slut..you are in the wrong company. Let them grovel in their pitiful obsessions of envy and guilt. Mar 10 06 07:43 am Link Christopher Wright wrote: I always thought that too Chris And thanks for the compliment, you're sweet! I personally think they are tastefully done and I am very proud of the way they turned out. And because of the way I feel about them, I wanted to use them in my portfolio regardless of the differing opinions but I'm still interested on how others feel. Mostly good, judging from the responses above! Mar 10 06 07:43 am Link Thank you everyone for all of your opinions. I wanted to respond to everyone individually but you all jumped in so quickly I really appreciate the kind comments and everyone putting in their thoughts. For the most part, I agree with what's been said but there's definitely been a few comments they have made me think twice. Mar 10 06 07:52 am Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a photographer use the reference 'tog' so that's a good point. I've only just joined the forums but I should probably back track a little - sounds like I've missed some controversial posts! Thanks also for your comments, I appreciate it most because you seem like the kind of person who is honest to a fault so I know you mean it Mar 10 06 07:59 am Link Kelly Kooper wrote: Kate Moss exhibits all the hallmark traits of a real slut... but in her case it has absolutely noting to do with nudity. Mar 10 06 08:03 am Link I think you will always have people that will have a puritanical view of nudity in general. Some don't even like to see nudes from a da Vinci painting. So you have to understand that criticism ( no matter how unfair it can be) is part of our business. Image making is exteremely subjective and so depending upon the viewer a person may or may not have a different reaction than the person next to them. As long as you feel you have not compromised your own set of values than who cares what other people think. Just enjoy what you do. ; ) Mar 10 06 08:03 am Link The term slut is a very subjective one open to interpretation. The photos in your port are sort of "cheesecake" like, and as such may be more tittilating than some care for. Out of the studio - do you handle you day to day dealings with integrity and honesty? Do you play sexist manipulation games? Then don't worry about it. Other than that there is the old school rule - A slut is a woman who will sleep with anybody, a bitch is a woman who will sleep with anybody but you. Mar 10 06 08:07 am Link SKPhoto wrote: LOL. I didn't realize I knew so many bitches. Mar 10 06 08:09 am Link I personally dont think that modeling nude makes anyone a slut or is an indication of not having morals. I think that words like slut get used a lot by people with hang-ups, by people who feel threatened and/or people who are probably a little insecure. Mar 10 06 08:13 am Link Kelly Kooper wrote: In my case the presumption that I date models is kinda interesting in itself. I have, but I'm twice+ the age of most models here and any social interactions we might have are either so bizarre due to the age difference that the whether the models have posed nude is moot. Mar 10 06 08:18 am Link Claudette V wrote: And possibly jealousy too. Not saying you are jealous. Just adding to your comment. Mar 10 06 08:19 am Link msonyxorb wrote: WTF? First off, the OPs photos are not "softcore porn" anymore than yours are. Do you know what softcore porn is? Did they have that at your monastery? You are very judgemental and on to point two. Mar 10 06 08:27 am Link You are 23 Kelly, grow up. I will assume you pay you own bills and make your own life decisions so your " friends" can sod off. Maybe you need to dump some of your female friends. BTW if you were in America many would assume you are slutty because you are a pretty blond. As long as you understand and love yourself shoot what is comfortable to you and get paid. Do yourself a favor BEFORE you shoot any more nude pics: 1) have a FRIM personal litmus test....meaning if you shoot it OWN UP TO IT if you can not then pass that job by. 2) THINK THINK THINK about your future career goals if you have no plans for politics, law, education or becoming a high profile engineer ----shoot whatever you fancy and what will help you have your income. 3) Drop any type of "victim" attitude. in this post you speak from 2 sides of your mouth. On one hand you tell us you are proud of what you did but then you want affirmation you are not slutty. I see nothing wrong in your port do you THANG girl and I wish you much success Mar 10 06 08:28 am Link Vito wrote: Amen brother. Mar 10 06 08:29 am Link "To thine own self be true" i never really cared what others thought of me or of what i do, well maybe a little, especially if I have any intentions of running for office (hehe) but I wouldn't want them to be talking behind my back and spreading nasty rumors cause that will be a different story. if they are at least bothered by whatever it is that you do, then they should confront you face to face about it so you can talk it out and clear the air. Mar 10 06 08:35 am Link what do you define as being a slut? I don't think half of the models (male and female) who do pictures for porn magazines with their giblets out and everything are sluts... I have a modelling friend who does those sorts of piccies for a bit of extra cash on the side then goes home to her fiance (who knows) and her 12 year old daughter. I would never predefine anyone to be a slut without good cause.. Mar 10 06 08:38 am Link I am reminded of a quote, but I can't remember the author. It goes: "The only think that holds a friendship together is the desire of the two individuals to be friends." If your friendship is important enough to you to forgo the ability to create artistic nude pieces, then your decision is made for you. If your desire to make images is of greater importance to you, then your decision is made for you as well. "Friends" will come and go during the period of your life time. "True Friends" will be ther when you need them and judge you only on your ability to be their friend. Mar 10 06 08:40 am Link mphot wrote: While I agree with all of this, I find it amusing that several people are responding with (justified!) diatribes about US "morality" when in fact the OP lives in Australia. Mar 10 06 08:41 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: a model who clings to her clothing is a contradiction and should probably be doing something else..it's a character flaw. Wow, what an opinion, I think that's a bit much though not everyone is going to want to shoot nudity for a variety of reasons, you shouldn't just categorize every single model who is modest as a model with character flaw Mar 10 06 08:42 am Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Oh good, it's not just me Mar 10 06 08:42 am Link Your so-called "friends" are jackasses. Dump them and find someone worthy of the title. Mar 10 06 08:42 am Link I'm a tag slut. I love em. Can't get enough of em. It feels oh so good when I get tagged. The better the tag the better the feeling. Mar 10 06 08:43 am Link |