Craig Thomson wrote:

only to the weak minded

LOL!!Love ya Craig...

KM von Seidl wrote:

Model Mayhem is supposed to be for marketing one's ability to sell stuff?


Damn.

I thought it was a dating site.

Haha!!Thats so funny..You guys kill me 

markEdwardPhoto wrote:
Because this is a site dominated by a bunch of perverted men who thing they are photographers, and girls who think they are models!!!

They all want attention! Whether its by a girl they want, but can't have sex with. Or its a girl who whats to be a exhibitionist.

Sure, they are having fun...or at least looking that way.

This site is Amateur Hour at its best....It full of people who don't have a clue about the real industry, have any known knowlege of photography.

I don't mind nudity, but its too dominate because many photographers and models don't have the creativity to do otherwise.

M

Mark you are right.Its sad but true..I have gotten plenty of attention without having to show my "rack" or my ass..But maybe its just because I am a serious model..Are their many out there?I dont know..And to those like Lapis it was not a cut down to you..To each is own,but modeling has changed over the years I can vouch for that!The pressure for nudes is getting worse,but I wont give in..For now anyways..Sorry guys

markEdwardPhoto wrote:

Yes a photo that was paid for by the Model and does not show T&A gratuitously. This was her concept/idea. I do this for a living so, if this is what the client wants then that is what they get.

M

Riiiiiiighhhht.


The old, the "model made me do it," excuse for butt cheeks and whips.

So glad it wasn't a gratutitous showing of buttocks.

area291 wrote:
Perhaps your explanation of the site would cast a different reality???

I didn't say you were wrong...I just don't know why you bother hanging out with us yokels.  Don't you have a shoot with Paris Vogue or something?

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

I didn't say you were wrong...I just don't know why you bother hanging out with us yokels.  Don't you have a shoot with Paris Vogue or something?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
SO FUNNNY!!!
WHO READS VOGUE PARIS ANYWAYS!
I would much rather read a Playboy or a Penthouse anyday. The articles are much better. And yes I read what you call smut for the articles!

Samantha Grace wrote:
I think alot of people forget how many adult, fetish, and bondage people are on modeling sites! Think about it the adult industry is 90% of the internet. Good place to get your face out to new people.
And as for high fashion. Forget it!
Only 5% of Americans could be high fashion. How many women are seriously 6 ft and 110 pounds? I personally think high fashion models are ugly!
Most women look closer to an adult model then a high fashion!
Heck, if a girl is hot and is marketable naked! Let her be!
Or as my friend Chrissy Danielles always says "HAPPY NAKED GIRLS ARE FUN!"

I am seriously hate how high fashion people act as if us glamour people are peons!

And adult models are much more attractive to me any day. I like the curves, big breast, big butts, and big hair!

How many people know about high fashion models? How many people know the Penthouse Pet of the Year? Or the Playboy Playmate of the year?

Samantha, what you have said is very true!  I love all women!  And "all women" are not "6' tall and 110 lbs" as you pointed out!  There is a strong glamour industry for models, as is evidenced from the mens magazines like Maxim, Stuff, etc. that are on the stands and online.  Personally, I prefer looking at the shorter, full figured woman rather than what the fashion industry has put on the runways of Paris!  There are plenty of successful women doing tease or glamour sites ... some are non nude too!  Why not? 

All through the history of mankind, we have been preoccupied with our bodies. It shows in the art work done even since before Christ ... so why change now?   Human males tend to be more visually driven than are females.  Males still have more money (although that is changing) and therefore power to consume more products.  So it is true that visually stimulating images require more skin to show and that is what the marketing people are doing is stimulating us to buy products with "Sex sells" in mind. 

Although I do not shoot very many nudes, I find it more challenging to create images where a woman looks appealing and sexy without having to show her body completely nude.  I love to leave something for the imagination!    But because I am not a part of the "old boys club" of OMP, I will never get a "showcase" ... and I don't expect to!  Sure there is nudity here, but there is ten times more of it on OMP!  I will not shoot nudes just to get acceptance. This website is great for all of us who shoot models ... nude or not!

Jarek James wrote:
I guess personally I want my images, sexy or not, to tell a story at the very least.  I wanna get folks sucked into just staring for at least 5 seconds trying to mentally break down the reasons why this one photo caught their attention.

Then you should do more nude/erotic/bondage imagery.  90% of the comments I get from people [on and off the internet] consist of the emotional/mental gymnastics they go through trying to "feel okay" about liking something that is [cheerfully] referred to as porn by the person taking the photographs.  I get the reactions you're after all day, everyday.  Not bad for a perv/GWC/pornographer.

Samantha Grace wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
SO FUNNNY!!!
WHO READS VOGUE PARIS ANYWAYS!
I would much rather read a Playboy or a Penthouse anyday. The articles are much better. And yes I read what you call smut for the articles!

I read Penthouse and Playboy for the articles [and the yearly sports previews].  I can make my own smut.

Tina Ginger wrote:
..I have gotten plenty of attention without having to show my "rack" or my ass....but I wont give in..For now anyways..

I'm sure I could help you out....   

-mp

Tina Ginger wrote:
Mark you are right.Its sad but true..I have gotten plenty of attention without having to show my "rack" or my ass..

Did you say something?  I wasn't paying attention.

Brandon Cordon wrote:
As for whether or not its needed to get noticed. Ill take my chances promoting myself to the area I would most like to work in.

Me too Brandon. Even after I'm 18.

It's all about choices.

area291 wrote:

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
I don't know how you stand being the only sane man on the island, Chief Brodie.

Perhaps your explanation of the site would cast a different reality???


Hmmm, bubba, I think that your explanation, although valid, isn't pertinent to what was being asked by the OP.  Not even sure how it relates to what I wrote...

my response was not to the questionof the OP, but to your commment.(in quotes below) Too many people on here forget that its not only commercial photographers using this site. There is such a thing as fine art photographers too, so what may be useless for you may be perfectly useful to some of us who are looking to hang our work in a gallery, a home or even in a book> madison avenue is not the only place photography is used

[The site has become a haven for those standing on the "artist" platform searching for those that bring no more qualification to model status other than accepting a part of conceptual statements made based on nudity.  Participation brings nothing but more of the same for the model and personal gratification for photographers that lead them down that path.  That is well and good for those choosing the nudity direction, but is highly detrimental to those wishing to branch out beyond the 'net as the imaging is useless for real world presentation.]

markEdwardPhoto wrote:
Because this is a site dominated by a bunch of perverted men who thing they are photographers, and girls who think they are models!!!

They all want attention! Whether its by a girl they want, but can't have sex with. Or its a girl who whats to be a exhibitionist.

Sure, they are having fun...or at least looking that way.

This site is Amateur Hour at its best....It full of people who don't have a clue about the real industry, have any known knowlege of photography.

I don't mind nudity, but its too dominate because many photographers and models don't have the creativity to do otherwise.

M

I'm so glad to be of the minority in that I don't post any nudes and openly prefer to shoot anything besides nudes.

Tina Ginger wrote:
Mark you are right.Its sad but true..I have gotten plenty of attention without having to show my "rack" or my ass..But maybe its just because I am a serious model..Are their many out there?I dont know..And to those like Lapis it was not a cut down to you..To each is own,but modeling has changed over the years I can vouch for that!The pressure for nudes is getting worse,but I wont give in..For now anyways..Sorry guys

Tina, you have used what you feel is you're best foot forward to get where you are now and I think you have done remarkably well without showing your girly bits to anyone on film.
Would I loose any respect for you if you posed nude? I try not to judge others for what they do or have done, as long as it is all within the legal arena, it’s all good.
Tina, you have all the respect I can give you for standing up for what you feel is right.
I don't have to shoot you nude to make you look better...go figure

LighthousePhoto wrote:
Being from a fine art background (where I do a lot of sexually charged work) I joined this site in order to expand my portfolio in a more commercial sense (yes, I know porn is commercial, but I mean "legitimate" commercial or whatever). So I am actually a photographer who although I like shoting nudes, I am actually looking to shoot non-nude type stuff here. Its much more challenging to make a photograph that catches the eye that isn't nude. I believe I'm up for the challenge!
Anyone with me???

I am a fine art photographer.  I joined this site in order to find models and muses to expand my body of work.  I don't believe it's possible to have too many nudes.

Jarek James wrote:
I've been on modelmayhem for quite some time now.  And I've got a few questions pertaining to nudity... perhaps dumb, but valid to me.

Why does a model say "I don't do nudes" but there's at least one nude/semi-nude shot in her portfolio?

Why are most of the male models damn near nude in their avatars?  Why aren't these guys showcasing their ability to wear a fashionable outfit?

Why do I as a photographer have to post half-nude images to get a lot of hits on my page?  Why don't my artistic shots get comments but a shot with a glimpse of a but-cheek gets 50 hits by the time I leave work for the day?

Is it me or do photographers have to work a little harder to get traffic to their page than models do?

I feel these questions are valid because... well... the premise for them is true.  But it's a truth that baffles me on a site that's supposed to be for marketing one's ability to sell an idea, product, or concept with their look.  Are we surfing for business or just surfing in search of the most racy or controversial shots out there?

I completly agree. I was starting to think something was wrong with my photography! I'm not a pro or anything, but I thought some would just take a glimpse. No one comes to my page. I guess I should probably move!

Jessica L wrote:

Me too Brandon. Even after I'm 18.

It's all about choices.

If I catch you doing nudes, young lady, I will bypass your mother and ground you for life my damn self . Adult or not.
-chuckle-

KM von Seidl wrote:

Model Mayhem is supposed to be for marketing one's ability to sell stuff?


Damn.

I thought it was a dating site.

Things To Look At wrote:
A few year ago, while repairing an old painting, i found a paper from Philadelphia the 1800's.  It was in great condition, but really really difficult to read.  Why?  Not because the english was outdated, but because they expected you to pay a lot more attention and be a lot smarter than newspapers do today.

Our standards are slowly decending year after year. Nationally, we are becoming less cultured and dumber all the time.  Fox news is racier than a swimsuit catalog was in the 30's.  And yes, a poorly framed naked girl on her hands and knees will clock more hits than a national geographic quality macro shot of a dragon fly in flight.

Bread and Circuses, baby, till it all burns down.

If you really want an eye opener try the 1895 8th Grade final exam found at http://strangecosmos.com/content/item/21478.html

National Geographic was the one publication a teenager could always get their hands on for a view of bare breasts when I was growing up.  That magazine and the pornographic passages found in the bible were things parents would never take away from you.

Things To Look At wrote:
A few year ago, while repairing an old painting, i found a paper from Philadelphia the 1800's.  It was in great condition, but really really difficult to read.  Why?  Not because the english was outdated, but because they expected you to pay a lot more attention and be a lot smarter than newspapers do today.

Our standards are slowly decending year after year. Nationally, we are becoming less cultured and dumber all the time.  Fox news is racier than a swimsuit catalog was in the 30's.  And yes, a poorly framed naked girl on her hands and knees will clock more hits than a national geographic quality macro shot of a dragon fly in flight.

Bread and Circuses, baby, till it all burns down.

Huh?

KM von Seidl wrote:

Model Mayhem is supposed to be for marketing one's ability to sell stuff?


Damn.

I thought it was a dating site.

Kim, I was wondering if you might consider having dinner with me?

KM von Seidl wrote:

markEdwardPhoto wrote:
Yes a photo that was paid for by the Model and does not show T&A gratuitously. This was her concept/idea. I do this for a living so, if this is what the client wants then that is what they get.
M

Riiiiiiighhhht.

The old, the "model made me do it," excuse for butt cheeks and whips.

So glad it wasn't a gratutitous showing of buttocks.

It sounds to me like you don't like your photo of the girl and the whip, if that is the case, why did you put in on your Port?  Your port is to Showcase your best work.  If you like it defend it and tell the other guy to F-Off.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions...

Samantha Grace wrote:
I think alot of people forget how many adult, fetish, and bondage people are on modeling sites! Think about it the adult industry is 90% of the internet. Good place to get your face out to new people.
And as for high fashion. Forget it!
Only 5% of Americans could be high fashion. How many women are seriously 6 ft and 110 pounds? I personally think high fashion models are ugly!
Most women look closer to an adult model then a high fashion!
Heck, if a girl is hot and is marketable naked! Let her be!
Or as my friend Chrissy Danielles always says "HAPPY NAKED GIRLS ARE FUN!"

I am seriously hate how high fashion people act as if us glamour people are peons!

And adult models are much more attractive to me any day. I like the curves, big breast, big butts, and big hair!

How many people know about high fashion models? How many people know the Penthouse Pet of the Year? Or the Playboy Playmate of the year?

:::Standing Ovation:::
You tell them!  High Fashion Models are for the most part Human Freaks!  Tall and lanky, skinny arms, no asses, they have these little tiny ankles and huge size 11 shoes!  They look like clown's feet! No offense to Clowns...

High Fashion Models look like Grayhound Girls...

Give me a woman with an ass and tits anytime!!!

:::Sitting Down Again:::

Hamza wrote:

KM von Seidl wrote:

markEdwardPhoto wrote:
Yes a photo that was paid for by the Model and does not show T&A gratuitously. This was her concept/idea. I do this for a living so, if this is what the client wants then that is what they get.
M

Riiiiiiighhhht.

The old, the "model made me do it," excuse for butt cheeks and whips.

So glad it wasn't a gratutitous showing of buttocks.

It sounds to me like you don't like your photo of the girl and the whip, if that is the case, why did you put in on your Port?  Your port is to Showcase your best work.  If you like it defend it and tell the other guy to F-Off.  Everyone is entitled to their opinions...

I got the feeling he was boasting about how little independent, creative thought he was capable of...for some reason a lot of guys who call themselves "professionals" are proud of that.  Sort of like a singer at karaoke who strives to sound "just like the record" or something.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
I got the feeling he was boasting about how little independent, creative thought he was capable of...for some reason a lot of guys who call themselves "professionals" are proud of that.  Sort of like a singer at karaoke who strives to sound "just like the record" or something.

Man...LOL
Are you anywhere near Allentown/Emmaus?
I am trying to get up there to work with a model (actually, I should put you in touch with her...) this year & I'd LOVE to take you out for a drink (strictly platonic, never fear).  I imagine we could have some great conversation LOL.