Forums > General Industry > ladies, why aren't you photographing sexy guys?

Photographer

max black

Posts: 25

New York, New York, US

i love women, and i love erotic photographs of them. i do my best to create these photos as i feel i'm expressing and exploring something from within and have the chance to share with others.

i don't believe men and women are all that different in regard to attraction and desire, deep inside. obviously there are Societal double standards and opinions that are unfair to women, but i want to hear from Individual women: do you ever have the desire to photograph some guy you think is hot in an erotic way? what would the photos look like? What's holding You back??

Jan 09 06 04:40 pm Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

sexy guys? what're those?

Jan 09 06 04:40 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

theda wrote:
sexy guys? what're those?

Jan 09 06 04:43 pm Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Balks at the comprehension of such analytical thinking, how dare you?

Who are you to come on here and attempt to make sense?

Jokingly, I like shooting men as well as women. I agree with you in that MOST photographers only shoot women. Both male and female photographers shoot women, you tell us why and you will be my hero.

I really don’t care what other people shoot as I shoot what I like and I shoot for ME.

Jan 09 06 04:49 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

theda wrote:
sexy guys? what're those?

To see what a sex guy should look like you have no further to go than me. I'm the negative of what sexy is, so the more the guy doesn't look like me the sexier he is. It's very simple, really.

  One thing I'm curious about is why should the ability or interest to shoot sexy guys be a female thing? Granted, I work mainly with female models, but I have no problem photographing men as well (although I think my female figure photography is better). Here's one example of a male figure shot I've done (warning: not safe for work): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2890326. So, maybe the question should be why photographers in general don't shoot more sexy men. Is there less of a market for them? Is it a niche thing? Or do we simply like women better?

  -Pat-

Jan 09 06 04:52 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Sorry... apparantly that link didn't work for some reason. Here's the whole gallery page; you should be able to find the male figure in there (he'll be the only guy without clothes on).

http://www.photo.net/photos/Loki

  -P-

Jan 09 06 04:54 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

People ask me this all the time.  The answer is always the same:

Because men won't/can't do it.

I know it sounds deceptively simple, but that's the fact.

Jan 09 06 05:03 pm Link

Photographer

Webspinner Studios

Posts: 6964

Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

I am.

Jan 09 06 05:08 pm Link

Photographer

Webspinner Studios

Posts: 6964

Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

but I shamelessly admit to f*cking my model. It's just that after a year of spending every night with him, I tried to take a few pictures, and some of them were cool.

Jan 09 06 05:10 pm Link

Photographer

S

Posts: 21678

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

They're really difficult to find, especially for the things I'm interested in.

Jan 09 06 05:13 pm Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Pat Thielen wrote:
Sorry... apparantly that link didn't work for some reason. Here's the whole gallery page; you should be able to find the male figure in there (he'll be the only guy without clothes on).

http://www.photo.net/photos/Loki

  -P-

Have you lost whats left of your mind?

*sends -p- to his corner without any supper*





**note**
Begs Pat to please forgive me and come to live and work in Seattle so we can meet.....

Jan 09 06 05:15 pm Link

Model

Jay Dezelic

Posts: 5029

Seattle, Washington, US

I don't mean to thread jack but I just have to post this article I wrote about this subject.  For those of you who haven't seen it it's called "Male Nudity and the Realities of War".

http://justchange.net/articles/style/ar … 10220.html

I am curious to why female photographers have supported a kind of double standard when it comes to shooting men vs. women for so long.   What happened to women's lib?

Jan 09 06 05:20 pm Link

Model

Benny

Posts: 7318

Brooklyn, New York, US

theda wrote:
sexy guys? what're those?

If I really have to quote one of the moderators on a few occasion I will, She has called sexy twice in one week smile

Jan 09 06 05:23 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Pat Thielen wrote:
Here's one example of a male figure shot I've done (warning: not safe for work): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2890326.

Not working because the "." got involved

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2890326

Jan 09 06 05:24 pm Link

Photographer

commart

Posts: 6078

Hagerstown, Maryland, US

The mainstream, buy-it-at-B.-Dalton's gate is open as regards the penis; moreover, I don't think Playgirl's gone out of business.  The culture's jaded in that regard.  The issue I've discerned is that our collective vision for men, more often than not, hinges on activity and action: we don't gravitate toward men who lounge and pout, who tease to tease (but open shirts, six-pack abs, "fun lines", etc. seem to sell), or who otherwise luxuriate.  Last year's "metrosexual" evolution--how's that going?  I know I may be surprised by the voices of the defender's of the MANicure but rather expect an aggressively passive response from that quarter, if any.

Why babes with cameras aren't teasing men out of the pants (although some do) may have something to do with why cowgirls with boots aren't throwing the first lines at the bar (although some do).

Jan 09 06 05:29 pm Link

Model

Lillith Leda

Posts: 663

Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

Have camera will press click.... Just point me in the right direction! wink

Jan 09 06 05:31 pm Link

Photographer

S

Posts: 21678

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Jay Dezelic wrote:
I am curious to why female photographers have supported a kind of double standard when it comes to shooting men vs. women for so long.   What happened to women's lib?

Jay, I think there are two different things going on here.  One is that, as I said above, male models are much more difficult to find, particularly when one is working on a project that has no commercial viability, or isn’t for a client. 

In your linked article you said:

Jay Dezelic wrote:
What you don't see in almost any mainstream art display that shows nude women are nude men in similar context. Why not? Why are the visual desires of women suppressed?

I don’t think the dichotomy you’ve drawn is quite right.  I think that it has more to do with what turns men on versus what turns women on.  Visually speaking, of course.  Men often seem to prefer what is seen, whereas women often seem to prefer what is felt/implied/hinted at.  This is a huge sweeping generalization, and I realize it does not apply to everyone.  But I do think there is some truth to it.  Just look at the fact that Playboy is a monster enterprise, whereas Playgirl is mostly known for being sold to gay men.

In contrast, steamy bodice-ripping romance novels fly off the shelves.  Women can’t get enough of them, they gobble them up.  The romance, the seduction, the relationship, the ohmygodIcan’ttakeanymoreofthisintensity kind of vibe is what often draws women in.  I wouldn’t buy Playgirl for myself, but I would (and have) spent money on people like Melvin Moten and D. Brian Nelson.  That’s my kinda porn.  (Sorry Don, I know you hate that word.)

If I can ever get my hands on a male model to put into images what I see in my head, I’ll show you what I mean.

Jan 09 06 06:20 pm Link

Photographer

Sockpuppet Studios

Posts: 7862

San Francisco, California, US

I shoot who ever pays me. girl boy and or otherwise.

why do the ladies have to shoot the sexy guys can't make photogs do the same?

I'll be shooting a sexy guy tomorrow night. I have some super sexy photos I have taken of men but they run into the male adult theme and can't be shown here.....

Jan 09 06 07:03 pm Link

Model

Diane ly

Posts: 1068

Manhattan, Illinois, US

I don't like sexy guys.  Give me a guy with a pocket protector and an MIT degree in electrical engineering and that's my flavah wink  I love nerds!

Jan 09 06 07:09 pm Link

Photographer

James Jackson Fashion

Posts: 11132

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Diana Moffitt wrote:
I don't like sexy guys.  Give me a guy with a pocket protector and an MIT degree in electrical engineering and that's my flavah wink  I love nerds!

Jan 09 06 07:10 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Craig Thomson wrote:

Have you lost whats left of your mind?

*sends -p- to his corner without any supper*


  Hey -- I lost my alleged mind a long time ago. Still, I don't know why you're trying to send me to my corner without supper. The with supper part isn't so bad, but corners are rather boring.

  I've actually been thinking of relocating to Seattle for some time but I doubt it'll ever happen. I have a friend who lives there, but otherwise I don't know anyone. And besides that, I don't like coffee. So I doubt they'd let me stay anyway. How's the job outlook for photographers or photographer assistance in Seattle?

  -Pat-


**note**
Begs Pat to please forgive me and come to live and work in Seattle so we can meet.....

Jan 09 06 07:13 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

raveneyes wrote:

Not working because the "." got involved

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2890326

Aha! Thank much! That'll learn to not try to use punctuation!

  -P-

Jan 09 06 07:14 pm Link

Model

Horsie Girl

Posts: 1453

Santa Rosa, California, US

I will be sure to take pictures of my sexy guy next time I see him.  I'm pretty sure he will enjoy it!

Jan 09 06 10:48 pm Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

Diana Moffitt wrote:
I don't like sexy guys.  Give me a guy with a pocket protector and an MIT degree in electrical engineering and that's my flavah wink  I love nerds!

Me too. Geeks are hot, but they don't usually photograph well.

Jan 10 06 10:20 am Link

Model

Angelus

Posts: 3642

Atlanta, Georgia, US

sad

Jan 10 06 10:35 am Link

Photographer

Cassandra Panek

Posts: 1569

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

a: more women to choose from than men.
b: i have a very specific set of what i do and don't find attractive in men. i haven't found many in my area that push my buttons.
c: i find women far far far sexier, more sensual, more dramatic, more expressive, more diverse. that is not to say it is true, it's just how i have found things.
d: i just plain like women better. smile

Jan 10 06 10:43 am Link

Photographer

IDtenTANGO

Posts: 263

Denton, Texas, US

Maybe you can blame it on history...  The female figure is associated with nature and beauty; the male figure's associated with humanity and power.  From cave paintings through the Greeks and Romans, renaissance, modern and contemporary art, whichever.  The greeks, though, had virtually no sculptures or paintings of nude women (unless they were obviously porn...).  Their ideal in beauty was a young man.  It wasn't just the mass homosexuality talking... wink their culture developed democracy and pushed humanism, joining together in a struggle with/against the gods and nature to survive and thrive.  In the renaissance, people realized that they could use mythical and religious imagery as an excuse for painting hot nekkid chicks.  There's where the whole masculine domination of culture comes into play...

But here we are, now, and the men's magazines have pictures of beautiful, half-naked women on the covers. And the women's magazines have pictures of... beautiful, half-naked women on the covers.  And the home and garden lifestyle magazines have pictures of attractive, clothed women on the covers.  And news magazines have strong men, or beautiful women.  (Or graphics).

Am I rambling here?  Talking too long or too briefly?

It seems that the answer to the initial question, "Why aren't women photographers (or any photographers) taking more pictures of sexy men?" is that taking pictures of sexy people at all, the intent is to create either images of beauty or objects of desire.  In ten thousand years of history, women have almost always been associated with both of those on a general level, and men almost never, except in niche markets.  At least in visual arts.  I agree with what Sita Mae Edwards brought up, that women these days are more open than ever before about viewing men as beautiful and/or desirable, but that where men tend to be more interested in eye candy, women tend to be more interested in backstory.

Add in the whole social/cultural/historical associations and regardless of an individuals level of tolerance, openness, experimentation, etc. it is far easier, and more acceptable, and seems on some level to make 'sense' to present images of 'sexy girls' to a female or mixed audience than to present 'sexy boys' to a male or mixed audience.

Oi.  Here is the post where Scott AKA IDtenTANGO betrays his art-school dropout status.  (I'd also like to state that I ditto everyone else's reasons for having few pictures of men...)

Jan 10 06 11:08 am Link

Photographer

NJ Photographer

Posts: 26

Nutley, New Jersey, US

yeah ladies shoot me lol

Jan 10 06 03:57 pm Link

Photographer

Eddy Torigoe

Posts: 478

Boston, Massachusetts, US

i'm not a lady but i get asked that all the time. i reply that i try to photograph what i find to be beautiful and not once have i thought a guy was beautiful.

Jan 10 06 07:42 pm Link

Photographer

Kelly Sedivec-Ealy

Posts: 2704

Iowa City, Iowa, US

Our Husbands our holding us back....you guys are much more jealous creatures in that department...

Kelly

Jan 10 06 09:52 pm Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Photored wrote:
Our Husbands our holding us back....you guys are much more jealous creatures in that department...

Kelly

BS

Jan 10 06 09:55 pm Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Craig Thomson wrote:
Have you lost whats left of your mind?

*sends -p- to his corner without any supper*
**note**
Begs Pat to please forgive me and come to live and work in Seattle so we can meet.....

Pat Thielen wrote:
Hey -- I lost my alleged mind a long time ago. Still, I don't know why you're trying to send me to my corner without supper. The with supper part isn't so bad, but corners are rather boring.

  I've actually been thinking of relocating to Seattle for some time but I doubt it'll ever happen. I have a friend who lives there, but otherwise I don't know anyone. And besides that, I don't like coffee. So I doubt they'd let me stay anyway. How's the job outlook for photographers or photographer assistance in Seattle?

  -Pat-

Jobs for photographers in Seattle I know nothing about. This is a hobby for me.

Coffee - HA

Join my yahoo group and follow along with the postings for local calsting calls and open shoots.

Jan 10 06 10:04 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Craig Thomson wrote:

Craig Thomson wrote:
Have you lost whats left of your mind?

*sends -p- to his corner without any supper*
**note**
Begs Pat to please forgive me and come to live and work in Seattle so we can meet.....

Jobs for photographers in Seattle I know nothing about. This is a hobby for me.

Coffee - HA

Join my yahoo group and follow along with the postings for local calsting calls and open shoots.

Well, maybe with some luck I'll be able to travel out there again at least. Of course, not having money makes that rather difficult... Do'h! But you never said why I have to stand in a corner without any supper.

  -P-

  Where's your YaHoo group?

Jan 12 06 12:24 am Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Pat Thielen wrote:
Well, maybe with some luck I'll be able to travel out there again at least. Of course, not having money makes that rather difficult... Do'h! But you never said why I have to stand in a corner without any supper.

  -P-

  Where's your YaHoo group?

After digging in the sofa, I have $7.33 and two oreo's, does that help?

Group is linked on my MM profile...

Jan 12 06 12:30 am Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Craig Thomson wrote:

After digging in the sofa, I have $7.33 and two oreo's, does that help?

Group is linked on my MM profile...

Sure! I'll take it. But you can have the oreos...

  -P-

Jan 12 06 01:53 am Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

Jay Dezelic wrote:
I don't mean to thread jack but I just have to post this article I wrote about this subject.  For those of you who haven't seen it it's called "Male Nudity and the Realities of War".

http://justchange.net/articles/style/ar … 10220.html

I am curious to why female photographers have supported a kind of double standard when it comes to shooting men vs. women for so long.   What happened to women's lib?

women's lib died when the conservatives took over, didn't you get the memo?

moreover traditional women's lib was about protecting women (in general) from men.  women's lib part two involved women admitting they had sexual desires and explorations of that.  But then the sexual fascists came back in power and as much as the fundies hate photos of nekkid women they really hate photos of nekkid men.

Jan 12 06 03:20 am Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Pat Thielen wrote:

Sure! I'll take it. But you can have the oreos...

  -P-

Dumps cookies in trash and turns to Pat, if you are thinking of coming this way, I'll welcome you and your artistic talent to the Pacific NorthWest and honor you with a guided tour of Seattle's underground and some other bitchen places to see and shoot....


Did I just say bitchen?

Jan 12 06 03:49 am Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Craig Thomson wrote:

Dumps cookies in trash and turns to Pat, if you are thinking of coming this way, I'll welcome you and your artistic talent to the Pacific NorthWest and honor you with a guided tour of Seattle's underground and some other bitchen places to see and shoot....


Did I just say bitchen?

You did say bitchin', and I'm okay with that. Just don't say it again. Actually, the last time I was there was back in 2001, and it was a great time. I really like the ocean and the mountains, and the scene seemed quite a lot better than the one here in Minneapolis. My friend took me hiking in the foothills and I photographed slugs mostly (I like slugs... what can I say?). Not that I've got a snazzy-ass Nikon ringflash and a 105 micro lens I want a return trip! But all in all, its a really great town and I had fun the four days I was there. So, yeah, I expect to be back at some point to at least visit and see what cool and awesome things I can photograph. I'll let you know if ever I make back out there.

  -P-

Jan 12 06 04:16 am Link

Photographer

ShotsByMate0

Posts: 229

New York, New York, US

theda wrote:
Me too. Geeks are hot, but they don't usually photograph well.

I disagree! I am an undercover geek but i'm pretty damn cute.
( i know this because my mom tells me at least 3 times a week)
Check me out as # 73348

Jan 12 06 04:22 am Link

Photographer

ELANFOTOS

Posts: 676

Miami, Florida, US

i got male  booyah on , my port... in fact those are my most viewed pics!

Jan 12 06 04:28 am Link