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If you don't pose nude, don't post nude!
I do fine art nude photography almost exclusively, and I've had success finding wonderful models via on line modeling sites like this one. Unlike some other sites, this site doesn't support searches for models who are willing to pose for nude photographs. That's fine -- I have fun doing searches in my local area for models. Recently, I came across a model whose avatar features a nude (or more accurately "implied nude") image of herself, and her portfolio contains other semi-nude images, but her bio has the typical "not interested in doing nudes, so please don't ask". >>> I am a photographer. >>> I am visually orientated. >>> I am more likely to look at pictures than read text. >>> If you aren't interested in posing nude, don't post nude photos!!! I respect anyone's limits & I'd hate to offend someone, but if you post nude photos of yourself, then please don't be surprised when someone asks you to pose nude. Dec 07 05 03:25 pm Link Don't you think that those who interest you enough for you to want to work with them deserve enough of your attention for you to read their profiles? Dec 07 05 03:30 pm Link Alot easier if you just learned how to read a model portfolio than try to change the world.  Dec 07 05 03:31 pm Link Ah, but to be fair, maybe the models should be more truthful and honest in their profile and portfolio....say what you mean, "Nude, semi or implied is considered on a case basis and not negotiated for TFP." Obviously, there was an instance where she/he had considered nude and did so, if you no longer do it, honestly, just don't put it up. Dec 07 05 03:37 pm Link Brian and Livia- that is sooo untrue. A model does not always state what they actually want in their text. For example- models say "paid assignments only" yet still do TFPs. They so "no nudity, sheer, lingerie" yet have it all over their port. Many models only write stuff in their ports to deter unwanted requests- but the definition of wanted and unwanted is undefined. A couple times girls that I chat with in shoutbox all the time mail me upset that we havent worked together and I havent asked them to shoot. I tell them honestly that I didnt b/c their port says paid assignments only. They always reply with the same thing "Oh thats just for the GWCs or the photographers I dont want to work with." Dec 07 05 03:37 pm Link Brian Diaz wrote: Thank you Brian liviamodel wrote: OMG, how awesome/ Both these answers echo my feelings as well. Dec 07 05 03:38 pm Link .. Dec 07 05 03:40 pm Link DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote: I think I just heard angels sing. A model who sees exactly what the photographers are talking about on this issue. I don`t care about what modeling styles you did in the past and nolonger do, so don`t show me or bring it up. I am interested in what you`ll do now. Dec 07 05 03:41 pm Link Yea that drives me crazy. I am looking for a nude tan line model for a shoot. I had one MM model write me saying she would be more than happy to do my nude tan lines shoot with me. I reminded her that her MM port does not say anything about doing nudes. She said she does not put that info up there because of all of the GWC's that will bug her about doing nudes But I think it would help if somewhere on the MM port they would list what they are willing to do. But then again I can see what happens if they list nude and every GWC that hangs out here would drive them crazy for nude requests. Maybe keep it the way it is. bs Dec 07 05 03:45 pm Link Well, now that we have discussed this topic, three thousand, four hundred ninety-seven times, I do agree with the comments here. But I don't think there is an answer. I am casting for a nude web project right now and I've gotten about ten replies. At least five of them were from models that said "no nudes" on their profiles. When I called them to talk about the project I asked them if they were aware there was nudity. They responded, "of course," they were just getting tired of 100's of requests for TFP nudes or porn. So they will do nudes for the projects of their own liking (which is their perrogative) but they publicize that they don't do nudes. Bottom line, I agree with everything that is being said, but I also understand what models are saying as well. My advice is if you are interested in a model, ask her politely and she will either say, "Yes,""No,""Ignore you" or flame you all over the forums for being an inconsiderate jerk! Good shooting. Dec 07 05 03:45 pm Link DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote: I agree. Dec 07 05 03:59 pm Link One way I have found to get around the " I didnt see that type listed in your portfolio so I didnt ask you to pose for me that way or any other way" thing is, I email all the ones I would like to work with. If I contact them they are at least right for fashion or glamour work, but they may also be right for other types. So, I send out an email which explains litererally everything about what I am looking for, the types of projects I am working on( most of my projects are on going) and let them reply in their own time and tell me what they would like to do out of the projects I list. This way I avoid the" you`re asking me to do nudes" thing by letting THEM decide if that is what they want to do. I list it as a project, not as " this is what I want you for". I have found that this email has been more fruitful than not. I have even gotten replies from models who expressed interest in doing much MUCH more than I had ever expected after looking at their portfolio and not seeing any nudity or mention if interest in doing nudity. And also in some cases, I have shot with models who even right before the shoot would say" Now, this is not going to be any nude shooting, right?", and 15 minutes into the shoot they go to "change outfits" and come out stark naked and ask if she can do some nudes. Its the honey vs. vinegar thing. Dec 07 05 04:40 pm Link This all goes back to high school/college jealousy. You are just mad that the hot girl from trig slept with a bunch of others guys and now you want your shot but she's not having it. If a model posts a nude but does not want to pose nude for you, move on and find someone who does. She posted it because she liked the pictures but that does not mean she needs 10 more like it. She has a right to pick who she will get naked in front of and who she will not. This should not even be an argument....but of course it has to be....it's the way it works Dec 07 05 04:45 pm Link nope all of you have it backwards I clearly state that I do nudes and I have not gotten a single email about nudes since, it is great. hugs to all Dec 07 05 04:51 pm Link Iona Lynn wrote: Yes, but your problem is that you want to be PAID!!!! lol. The GWC's aren't looking for models to do nudes for MONEY! They want to convince someone who has never done nudes or used to do nudes to do nudes for free. Dec 07 05 04:58 pm Link Looknsee Photography wrote: *Yawn* Dec 07 05 05:00 pm Link This argument again? Good grief. J. Dec 07 05 05:05 pm Link Lapis wrote: Well, I am not a GWC, but I expect the models to do nudes for free. I never pay a model to model nude. Dec 07 05 05:05 pm Link Too bad you are in Cali. I would def. pretend to think someones jokes were funny while being nude for 750$ a day, and I would even call them a professional. Dec 07 05 05:06 pm Link Lapis wrote: Very true. Dec 07 05 05:08 pm Link I got convinced a few times to do them for free, the last two in my port were tfp. If I get very good quality prints that will improve my port I'll do it. Right now I'm shooting for a book it is not paid but published work and a full color book not some street rag that are sold on the sidewalks of the stripper district. I do agree with you lapis though the gwc's all seem to have stayed away from me as my port has improved. Modeling is like crack, the first few pay you to get you hooked the they stop paying and your hooked. I'm so happy to have my paying gig tonight though, I miss your twisty toe sucking avatar. Dec 07 05 05:09 pm Link Here's the thing. A model has every right to say what he/she wants and can change her mind if she wants. I don't blame them for trying to weed out the knuckleheads who just want them to take off their clothes. I don't think any of us photogs have the same perspective as that attractive woman, who every few minutes of her life has some guy trying to get her clothes off. I'll be honest. I have a background in art and have drawn nudes since I was a teen. I shoot, and there are projects that I would love to do that may entail nudity, but it just really doesn't seem worth the effort sometimes. I know for a fact that my creativity has been stifled at times because I just don't want to deal with the drama of bringing it up. Any model that I've ever shot with knows that I have never crossed the line of professionality, but there are a lot of guys out there that make artistic expression difficult. The thing is, I understand. If my wife or daughter were models, I would want them to do anything possible to decrease the odds of running into a nut, who just wants to get off on a nude picture of them. Photogs, you have to ask yourself, if you were on a TFP shoot and the model began to tell you which camera you should use, or that even though you said you shoot digital, you should use film for this shoot. (I realize that that analogy has holes in it, but you get the picture) Like I said, I really don't even screw with it most of the time. Just not worth the hassle. I do have models who I know understand what I do and are willing to shoot artistically. That's who I create visions with. Those and referrals. In the end, I think it is the art that suffers. Just like everything else in life. Knuckleheads ruin it for everyone. Gentlemen and Ladies, I think a very simple rule would eliminate most of the problems. Just treat others with the respect that you would like to be treated with. *okay, all hold hands and begin to sing like the little who's of whoville when they woke up to find that the grinch had stolen Christmas* Dec 07 05 05:29 pm Link DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote: Or say, I don't do nudes anymore! Dec 07 05 05:34 pm Link Carlton Primm wrote: Indeed. Dec 07 05 05:34 pm Link Thomas B wrote: But there is a difference between " I do not" and " I will not for you". I believe he is talking about the ones who do nude and then say they dont or no longer do. If you nolonger do, do not post it in your portfolio. Portfolios are to reflect to work you do, not the work you used to do. Dec 07 05 05:37 pm Link DigitalCMH wrote: But then again, if you do not do a certain kind of modeling anymore, why post the certain kind you no longer do? Portfolios are to show what you do, not what you used to do. Dec 07 05 05:38 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: I would have to agree with that. It is not good to be misleading. Dec 07 05 05:40 pm Link Iona Lynn wrote: So you wanna get nekkid for me...er, my camera? Dec 07 05 05:40 pm Link Lapis wrote: how about $3.50 in change? J/K......... I don't have $3.50 Dec 07 05 05:41 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: If you keep making sense, I'll have to find you and break your camera. Dec 07 05 05:43 pm Link While we are all being honest, answer this. Would you really be happy if a model who no longer does nudes pulled down her nude photo from her portfolio. Would MM then be a happy place? Would the complaning stop? Or woudl we all find something else to go after? Dec 07 05 05:53 pm Link DigitalCMH wrote: I have spares ;-) Dec 07 05 05:54 pm Link Thomas B wrote: I would be fine with it. Why would I complain about a model who shows the type of work she does at the present time? Thats what the portfolio is for. It reflects what they do, not what they used to. Dec 07 05 05:55 pm Link *gets out her own camera to shoot the cat fight*  Dec 07 05 05:56 pm Link DigitalCMH wrote: Interesting point. But let me ask this. Is a model's port used to fish for photogs to give her more of what she already has, or is it used to build upon what she already has, possibly enhancing it with different types of images? Dec 07 05 05:58 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: What if the model wants to be in Playboy but does not want to get naked for every guy on MM? Now I know someone will say "well then she should say that in her profile". Here is why that would be a mistake. If a model puts in her profile that she wants to do Playboy or bigger magazines, she would have every GWC emailing her saying they are doing test shoots for Playboy....or they have a friend at Playboy. Dec 07 05 06:02 pm Link Carlton Primm wrote: Portfolios are like your business card in a way. Do you have "auto mechanic" on your business card? Chances are you do not. You have what you do on your business card. Dec 07 05 06:04 pm Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: 3,498 actually Dec 07 05 06:06 pm Link I think a model should have in her port what she wants to do and what she would like to get work in. I am shooting a lot in Jan for fashion to get a fashion book started. I was turned down quite rudely a while back because my book had too many nudes in it. If she doesn't do nudes it is strange advertizing to show them in a port. I don't do glamour *I tried but I suck at it* *it makes me feel silly* I even work at a glamour shoot class every month yet I do fine art poses and hardly any glamour. No one has ever complained. I love fine art nudes so I have many fine art nudes in my port. If I put more glamour shots in my port sure I'd get requests for glamour work but if I don't do glamour what good are those photos? just my opinion. Dec 07 05 06:06 pm Link If the model says NO NUDE ,then I think she really means.. MAYBE with the right photographer. I've seen this on a few models profile. Remember NO=MAYBE . lol Dec 07 05 06:07 pm Link |
just kidding, kidding!!
