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Amateur models who ask $$$ per hour.
Okay, I know I'm opening a can of worms here, but I've always been curious how amateur models (models without an agency or list of impressive credits) can ask for $50, $75, $100+ dollars an hour for modeling. I've happily paid models $300-400 for a 2-3 hour session. More if they do their own hair and make-up on a pro level. They also have supplied gorgeous wardrobe. But some models (not all.. I'm not generalizing, just making a point) show up with a duffle bag and a handful of wrinkled cheap clothes...emphasis on the wrinkled! Anyway, some photographers, including myself have spent 10's of thousands of dollars on equipment and countless hours and money on education, and I sure don't get that kind of dough! I mean, I sincerely want everyone to make a lot of money doing what they love to do.. but aren't there some dues to be paid to earn that level of pay? What should they charge? I don't know..I'm sure it depends on the assignment .. but doctor's make $100+ an hour and people who have years of experience at a professional craft, sometimes don't make $50 hr. So please tell me how an amateur model can ask for the same rate..I'm really curious about this. Jan 04 07 07:54 pm Link A newbie has every right to ask for what ever he/she wants to as compensation ,just as you have the right to refuse and make a counter offer or continue to negotiate or not.In some cases it is appropriate others not. Jan 04 07 08:03 pm Link Stan has it right. It is their right to ask and your right to decline. That doesn't mean that everyone will say "no." Jan 04 07 08:05 pm Link stan wigmore photograph wrote: Yup, I agree wholeheartedly. Jan 04 07 08:07 pm Link very true and good point. I guess I feel like they're pricing themselves out of the game right out of the gate. But I never thought to counter offer anyone. thanks for the response. Jan 04 07 08:09 pm Link My cardiologist charges $300 for 10 minutes, and he probably bills at least 30 hours a week. Same with lawyers, plumbers, electricians, all manner of people who charge by the hour, they bill lots of hours per week. Not many models do that, so you can't just multiply X by 40 and assume she's making a fortune. But none of that matters anyway. Models charge what they can get paid. I've paid several models for their very first, and possibly only paid shoot. They had the look I needed, convinced me that they were capable of doing it, and I didn't have to put up with a lot of crap from agents or sluggos. If a model can't get paid what she's asking, then she'll either lower her price or quit. Most of them quit. Are Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz, Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, etc. paid millions because they're incredibly talented and experienced? Not at all. They get paid all that money because they sell tickets at the box office. However talented and experienced they might be, there are thousands of other actors more talented and more experienced who can't find enough work at minimum wage to keep up their health insurance. Jan 04 07 08:11 pm Link Patrick Shipstad wrote: Then tell them so, politely, as you decline their request for compensation above what you feel is fair. Jan 04 07 08:11 pm Link Ah, let them dig their own grave. Unless they're amazing and have something great to offer, I wouldn't pay a model. I could care less about experience. Jan 04 07 08:11 pm Link Patrick Shipstad wrote: In some cases you may well be right, but don't you think they will figure that out? Jan 04 07 08:11 pm Link Patrick Shipstad wrote: I recommend countering with shiny trinkets. Jan 04 07 08:12 pm Link to each their own...it's all about marketing services and it's up to us as a consumer to decide whether we want those services at the price they're asking. if they have a certain look someone is searching for, I'm sure they will be paid for that project. they have the right to charge for their services as does anyone of us here. Jan 04 07 08:12 pm Link stan wigmore photograph wrote: I agree as well. Jan 04 07 08:12 pm Link In many cases, you can blame the beer bellied, horny GWC's who have inflated the egos of many of these model wannabe's by paying $50 to $100 an hour to see them nude or scantily clad. Personally, I see little difference between that and stuffing bills into the g-strings of "dancers" at titty bars. Jan 04 07 08:13 pm Link C David Stephens wrote: How can you possibly compare these two things? Jan 04 07 08:16 pm Link stan wigmore photograph wrote: Yup. Until there's a law that says they can't. But I don't see that coming anytime soon. Thank God you do in fact have the right to say "no" to him/her, huh? Jan 04 07 08:18 pm Link How can McDonalds ask for $2.50 for a Big Mac? Jan 04 07 08:29 pm Link Ed Goodwin Photography wrote: Because it has twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesonionsonasesameseedbun. Jan 04 07 08:35 pm Link Ed Goodwin Photography wrote: Patrick Shipstad wrote: Nice. Jan 04 07 08:38 pm Link Jeez... again?! They can ask for any outlandish amount they want. If you think they're worth it, pay it. If not, keep going. They'll eventually drop their rate until they get some takers (even if that is a per shoot rate of a certain amount of prints). It's simple economics. I take issue with this notion that a new model should not charge. What's more important... the potentially bad habits she's learned on other shoots or what she looks like. Would you pay for experience even if she doesn't have the look you need? It seems like a no-brainer to me but perhaps I'm the crazy one... Jan 04 07 08:41 pm Link patrick, my advice... If they ask for pay, and you're willing to pay them then wonderful. If you don't think they are worth it, move on... you're good enough to find people to work with inside what ever budget you have. People are people.... let them be who they are. Jan 04 07 08:42 pm Link Hahaha!  Ed Goodwin Photography wrote: Patrick Shipstad wrote: Jan 04 07 08:43 pm Link I pay models upto $1000 for a 3-4 hour shoot, plus air and hotel to my location and licensed makeup/hair person dues the model has to pay? I dont care about the BS... if she has what I am needing I pay her what her physique/look is worth to me. not how long she has been modeling. Patrick Shipstad wrote: Jan 04 07 08:49 pm Link Patrick Shipstad wrote: Here is your answer as to why they can charge that much: Herb Way wrote: Bingo. That is what is going on. GWC's prey upon new girls like this because the girls don't know any better and are blinded by the dollar signs. They rarely know a photograph from a snapshot, and even GWC's have better images than their camera phone "pix" that currently fill their port. Herb Way wrote: The difference is that the GWC walks away with images, which last him a lifetime... the man at the titty bar has to keep stuffing bills. Which one do you think costs less in the long run? Jan 04 07 08:49 pm Link Come on...None of these models make that kinda money to shoot. They can demand whatever they want, but they won't get it. Jan 04 07 08:50 pm Link Aaron S wrote: The OP compared a model asking $50, $75, $100+ per hour to a doctor charging $100+ an hour. He gave the impression that models without experience were charging the same rate as a doctor with years of experience and training. That's not the case. Most doctors I've encountered in the past many years charge hundreds, even thousands of dollars an hour. So comparing a doctor's compensation, who bills 30+ hours a week at $300 for 10 minutes, to a model's compensation of $100 an hour, who bills 2 hours a month, changes the argument considerably. Jan 04 07 08:53 pm Link Here's the full story Jan 04 07 08:55 pm Link Patrick Shipstad wrote: It never hurts to ask. After enough people say no, they get the idea. I have had models make all sorts of requests I think are unreasonable. One guy wanted me to buy him a $400 bathing suit, and another asked me for $500 an hour. I have even had models quote me what adult sites have offered them. Jan 04 07 08:56 pm Link ADGibson wrote: Yes they can, and yes they do... Jan 04 07 08:56 pm Link Patrick Shipstad wrote: what is your criteria for paying this amount? is it because they have the right look? is it because they are experienced? what if a model had a ton of experience and had the wrong look and a model had no experience and the right look, would you sacrifice experience for look? why would experience over look become a factor in what you would pay? Jan 04 07 09:00 pm Link Jay Bowman wrote: LOL. That's what I thought too. Jan 04 07 09:03 pm Link Tikeya wrote: It took four days this year for the topic to come up, things are slowing down Jan 04 07 09:10 pm Link Iona Lynn wrote: You wear clothing? Learn somethin' new every day! Jan 04 07 09:12 pm Link Robert Helm wrote: AND I'm on dialup...BOO! Jan 04 07 09:13 pm Link Mikel Featherston wrote: Sometimes...err once in a while??? Jan 04 07 09:18 pm Link Once a model gets paid, even just once, for standing around looking appealing, she'll likely get the bug. Easy money and fun work! Beats data entry. Why wouldn't she try to repeat the experience? I don't blame the models at all. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Jan 04 07 09:18 pm Link It is a free market and she/he is free to ask for whatever. If there is a market for her/his look then lack of experience will prove to be a non-issue. Jan 04 07 09:20 pm Link As a photographer, you show a client two different models who might fit the client's requirements. One could have ten years experience, and the other --none. Who gets the job? The one that fits the client's perception of what he wants, not some high priced sales and marketing job that some manipulater wants. Price is no object for that project so both of them have an equal chance of being the model. This is where the negotions come into play. The photographer calls or emails you with his proposal. Write him back or ask him: "How many others involved in this?" If he says five, or two, say: "Who did you call first?" His answer will tell you where you stand in the Preferred Model queue. Negotiate accordingly. Good luck. Jan 04 07 09:30 pm Link Ha, I would NEVER ask to be paid that much for modeling[atleast right now] probabaly b/c I feel I don't have as much experience as other people... Some people just tend to get cocky about it I suppose[there making cash easily, is that I mean][not saying all, but friends I've encountered] =/ If someone is willing to Pay ME to photograph me, sweet haha Jan 04 07 09:31 pm Link I definitely think it's the whole GWC phenomenon that's got these girl's twisted. They chase the $$$ - and pretty much don't care where their pics end up or how they're used ... I say, let them. Jan 04 07 09:34 pm Link NC17 wrote: Patrick Shipstad wrote: Here is your answer as to why they can charge that much: Herb Way wrote: Bingo. That is what is going on. GWC's prey upon new girls like this because the girls don't know any better and are blinded by the dollar signs. They rarely know a photograph from a snapshot, and even GWC's have better images than their camera phone "pix" that currently fill their port. Very mature insight. Guess I won't give up on twentysomethings just yet. Jan 04 07 09:37 pm Link |
