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why is it some 'pro' photographers feel the need to belittle beginners? i just got 3 emails from 'established' photographers telling me to change my classification from 'semi-pro' to 'GWC'....wtf? i classified myself as semi-pro for these reasons: 1. i do it part-time (i'd go full-time if i could pay the bills) 2. i've been paid for my work - and published 3. i try to be oodles more professional than some pros - especially in the way i treat models who are good enough to work with me... so what does that make me? a gwc? f*ck me... Dec 17 06 04:16 pm Link I'm sorry, like it or not, you are a GWP (Guy With Potential). Don't let it get go to your head! Dec 17 06 04:20 pm Link what does GWC stand for. this is all i could find. GWC Geotechnical Well Construction GWC German Welfare Council GWC Global Weather Center GWC Global Weather Central (USAF) GWC Global Weather Control GWC Gollop-Wolfgang Complex GWC Great Wall of China GWC Gross Written Commissions Dec 17 06 04:21 pm Link Alan from Aavian Prod wrote: ok Dec 17 06 04:21 pm Link joshua ellis wrote: wait thats GWP not GWC. Dec 17 06 04:22 pm Link sorry guys, but how so? because i don't own a studio? have gear will travel... i work full-time for a fortune 500 company in a position of responsibility that affords me the freedom to combine both passions - art and photography... if i could go 'pro' and pay all the bills i pay today - complete with a beautiful 3-month old daughter - i'd do it in heartbeat... regardless - why make a point of rubbing my nose in it? and a GWC? come on... Dec 17 06 04:25 pm Link Don't fret yourself... they're only revealing their true mentality. Professional people that behave professionally don't have time to worry about what the classification is of the next guy. They're too busy working on themselves. Dec 17 06 04:25 pm Link musart wrote: Since when did GWC imply a level of experience? I was under the assumption that the term is supposed to refer to a photographers intent (i.e. unprofessional attitude toward models...put tactfully). If GWC is a level of competence then all photographers start out as GWC's. One is not a GWC simply because his portfolio isn't to the levels of others expectations. Dec 17 06 04:25 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: so what do you call a model with unprofessional attitude towards photographers Dec 17 06 04:28 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: precisely what i thought as well... Dec 17 06 04:29 pm Link what does GCW stand for already? Dec 17 06 04:31 pm Link joshua ellis wrote: guy with camera Dec 17 06 04:32 pm Link STANLEY LAFLEUR wrote: Umm...a model? lol. Dec 17 06 04:33 pm Link musart wrote: the fact that they actually contact you concerning your proclaimed status sort of eliminates any connotation of professionalism on their part. Dec 17 06 04:34 pm Link i am a GWC as a matter of fact i have 4 cameras Dec 17 06 04:34 pm Link musart wrote: ok thanks. should make you want to shoot more. don't let it get to you. i would take any feedback at this point. Dec 17 06 04:35 pm Link STANLEY LAFLEUR wrote: Well, then that would make you a GW4C's Dec 17 06 04:37 pm Link i can take criticism of my photography all day long - only way to improve... but as stated previously, i consider it more of an attack on character. and it kills me that someone would take the time to email me personally with that comment... guess i'm just hypersensitive today. Dec 17 06 04:38 pm Link joshua ellis wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA Dec 17 06 04:38 pm Link Leo Howard wrote: omg.. haha sorry that was funny though! Dec 17 06 04:46 pm Link phuck 'em all....your work speaks for itself. where I come from we call 'em haters. usually that's because of jealousy or envy or a strong insecurity about themselves. sooooo i say again...phuck'em. be a GWC that creates some beautiful work.. Some of these so-called pro's need to get their asses off of thier shoulders and realize that they are not above anyone. Do what you do. It's good. ; } James Dec 17 06 04:55 pm Link Hopefully you did not respond. I would just let it roll off. They don't deserve a response. Dec 17 06 04:59 pm Link TSOJAW wrote: I don't know if they think are 'above anyone' (of course, there are always a few assholes in any group of people) but... it is annoying, to be perfectly honest, when those that are NOT professional photographers, models, MUA's etc. just say they are. Dec 17 06 05:00 pm Link RachelCWhittemore wrote: so i ask again - what is wrong with semi-pro? Dec 17 06 05:03 pm Link musart wrote: How do you define semi-pro? Halfway professional? I'm sorry --- I am not trying to be rude, that just does not seem to make any sense to me? Dec 17 06 05:05 pm Link I'm almost pro Dec 17 06 05:09 pm Link Never mind, I\ just thought about that for a moment, and I am assuming we are using the same definition. So, I am guessing you are making some money off of your work - but you def. still need a day job? I guess there is no judge (except the agencies) to say whether or not a photographer's work is professional until they are published... and more than once. (By a real magazine, with a real name, etc. etc. etc.) Rachel Dec 17 06 05:12 pm Link RachelCWhittemore wrote: He is referring to his part-time statusâ¦. Some of us do make money off photography but do not do it as a full time job. This affords us the freedom to pick and choose our projects with out having to worry about where the next meal is coming from. Dec 17 06 05:13 pm Link musart wrote: Here on Model Mayhem via Private Message or actual e-mails off the site? Dec 17 06 05:13 pm Link RachelCWhittemore wrote: thanks. Dec 17 06 05:14 pm Link Ched wrote: they took the time to actually email me directly...off the site... Dec 17 06 05:15 pm Link musart wrote: Ched wants to know if they sent it to your account here on MM Dec 17 06 05:16 pm Link NC17 wrote: Listen to this woman. She has a good head on her pretty shoulders. Dec 17 06 05:22 pm Link musart wrote: Well, then you deserve to call yourself a semi-professional if you want to. Ignore them or (since it's private off-site messaging) tell them to go f**k themselves. Dec 17 06 05:39 pm Link Michael Pandolfo wrote: Exactly. GWC isn't about the quality of your work...it's about whether or not you pretend to be a photographer to see boobs. You can be really talented and be a "GWC"...GWC is more about intentions than skills. Dec 17 06 05:45 pm Link NC17 wrote: So true....and marketing, and shooting, and making money! Always amazed at how much time so-called pros spend on here instead of working on their businesses. For me, a full time pro who makes a very handsome living after getting to this point over 25 years, this is an evening treat when all the jobs are done or set aside for the night, calls for tomorrow's bookings made, studio cleaned etc etc. Don't have time to worry about someones else's classification except when how they behave and the product they show here or to clients brings down the name of pro photographers in general. Dec 17 06 05:55 pm Link David is so right! A professional in any field would be much the same. The demands of making the work happen, and happen right, maintaining your business structure, planning, marketing, etc. - don't leave much time for this. It's fun to drop in now and then, see some work others are doing, exchange a few words here and there. But who has time for more? Certainly, who has time to be busy blowing other people out of the water, discouraging them from enjoying their life? What a waste of karma! It doesn't matter if you are a GWC - if you are, you are a GWC who is doing some good work, ok! When I catch the rare compliment - well, that's nice. Warm glow time. When I get some crap like you got - I just figure they're having a bad day and need to unload someplace. (Sorry it was you.) It's the nature of people. So keep on workng at it, and be glad you have that fortune 500 job that allows you to do good photography for fun. Having to do it to pay the rent can sometimes make a fun profession a little less enjoyable, LOL! (And then you wanta go beat up some poor GWC......) Dec 17 06 06:05 pm Link musart wrote: LOL. Sorry but that's funny. I have to remember that one. Dec 17 06 06:09 pm Link Kaitlin Lara wrote: Yeah, and besides, wouldn't it be more effective to pretend to be a doctor to see boobs? Every woman trusts their doctor and as everyone knows photographers are shifty and depraved characters. Dec 17 06 06:12 pm Link NC17 wrote: I agree. Dec 17 06 06:14 pm Link |