Photographer
Mikel Featherston
Posts: 11103
San Diego, California, US
Image K wrote:
You must be the exception to the rule, then.
Models complain constantly that they are pressured to do nudes. Well, they need to let other models who contact them know about the photographers who try to press them beyond their comfort zone.
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Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
Image K wrote:
You must be the exception to the rule, then.
Models complain constantly that they are pressured to do nudes. We're not talking about nudes. We're talking about trade (TFP).
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CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
This is hilarious - HOW SAID ANYTHING ABOUT NUDES  hahahah:) god! People!
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CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
James Graham wrote:
Do you mean "says" ???
Cause I'm really confused... Yes, I did.
Did you mean to start an "English language" class in this thread? cause I'm really confused...
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Luminos
Posts: 6065
Columbia, Maryland, US
Madcitychel wrote:
We all know that a lot of times when a woman sais "no" that really means "maybe".
I find the same thing with photographers here. No TFP - that means "maybe if you are hot".
Thought there are a few photographers, who say Absolutely no TFP, no exceptions. So that is a most likely a "no". I insist on no TFP. If the model won't accept pay, then why bother?
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CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
Image K wrote:
You must be the exception to the rule, then.
Models complain constantly that they are pressured to do nudes. I know a few photographers who are contacted by models to shoot nudes thought. It's just depends how good photographer is.
Photographer
Stephen Melvin
Posts: 16334
Kansas City, Missouri, US
I've shot nudes of models who say, "no nudes" on their profile page. There was no pressure (as if that ever leads to great photos), just a mutual interest.
Yes, there are exceptions. I was debating whether to start saying that I'm "limiting" my TFCD's on my profile page, but I figure it's best to keep my options open. You never know who you'll turn away.
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
Madcitychel wrote:
I know a few photographers who are contacted by models to shoot nudes thought. It's just depends how good photographer is. On an almost-daily basis.
And I'd say about half the time I do a trade shoot for my primary client (a radio station that wants only Maxim-style content), the model asks if I'd do something more risque with her afterwards, or another time.
And they always want trade :-)
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CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
Stephen Melvin wrote:
I've shot nudes of models who say, "no nudes" on their profile page. There was no pressure (as if that ever leads to great photos), just a mutual interest.
Yes, there are exceptions. I was debating whether to start saying that I'm "limiting" my TFCD's on my profile page, but I figure it's best to keep my options open. You never know who you'll turn away. Those were my thoughts exacetly.
Photographer
Food 4 Less
Posts: 378
Los Angeles, California, US
Hi Yulia like the post, however i would like to remark that mushchini tak ze kak zenshini govoriat net no imeut v vedu da. zdes slishkom mnogo maslyanix mushikov kotorie lubat govorit and predumavat pro to kak zhenshini ficklie, dumaya chto oni vsie znaut, tak ne hotem im tak razreshat!!! BEST TO YOU! xo renata
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SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
SLE Photography wrote:
Hey, if a woman whips out a set of these
![https://www.amas.net/CU/CU_1251.jpg]()
you can believe I'm taking "no" for an answer! Madcitychel wrote:
Is that right?
![https://pics.livejournal.com/madcitychel/pic/0006ybs2/s320x320]() Yep, that sais no all right.
She sure doesn't need an escort!
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CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
Renata Brazilia wrote:
Hi Yulia
like the post,
however i would like to remark that
mushchini tak ze kak zenshini govoriat net no imeut v vedu da.
zdes slishkom mnogo maslyanix mushikov kotorie lubat govorit and predumavat pro to kak zhenshini ficklie, dumaya chto oni vsie znaut, tak ne hotem im tak razreshat!!!
BEST TO YOU!
xo
renata Privet :")
Eto uzh tochno - LOL. Nasotyachih muzhikov zdes' NEmnogo
Photographer
Miles Chandler
Posts: 647
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
SLE Photography wrote:
SLE Photography wrote:
Hey, if a woman whips out a set of these
you can believe I'm taking "no" for an answer! Madcitychel wrote:
Is that right?
Yep, that sais no all right.
She sure doesn't need an escort! I still wonder how many folks got that those weapons are called "sai".. might as well spell it out:-)
Model
CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
Miles Chandler wrote:
SLE Photography wrote:
SLE Photography wrote:
Hey, if a woman whips out a set of these
you can believe I'm taking "no" for an answer! Madcitychel wrote:
Is that right?
Yep, that sais no all right.
She sure doesn't need an escort! I still wonder how many folks got that those weapons are called "sai".. might as well spell it out:-) I call them forks 
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Alix Andrea
Posts: 3035
Los Angeles, California, US
Ransom J wrote:
Yeah that's pretty much how it works. but whether or not a girl is hot enough is up to MY discretion. hence why I state that I don't do TFP unless I hit YOU up for it. That way i don't have to hurt anybody's feelings. Hence why models leave tags and comment overloads on top phtographers pages hoping they will see their face and change their mind about the TFP 
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Shyly
Posts: 3870
Pasadena, California, US
It's not just hotness. Nobody has ever agreed to collaborate with me based on hotness, but a whole slew of fantastic photographers have because they feel I can bring something unique to their work.
It's about standing out from the crowd. Be hotter than everyone else, or if you can't do that, bring something else to the table that makes you the only and obvious choice to shoot with. The rest falls into place from there.
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Alix Andrea
Posts: 3035
Los Angeles, California, US
Shyly wrote:
It's not just hotness. Nobody has ever agreed to collaborate with me based on hotness, but a whole slew of fantastic photographers have because they feel I can bring something unique to their work.
It's about standing out from the crowd. Be hotter than everyone else, or if you can't do that, bring something else to the table that makes you the only and obvious choice to shoot with. The rest falls into place from there. Psh...so modest. you know you're hot I'd kill for your hair..
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CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
Shyly wrote:
It's not just hotness. Nobody has ever agreed to collaborate with me based on hotness, but a whole slew of fantastic photographers have because they feel I can bring something unique to their work.
It's about standing out from the crowd. Be hotter than everyone else, or if you can't do that, bring something else to the table that makes you the only and obvious choice to shoot with. The rest falls into place from there. I agree - i was just generalizing ans shortening my message - cuz not a lot of people read them throughly to begin with.
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CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
Alix Andrea wrote:
Hence why models leave tags and comment overloads on top phtographers pages hoping they will see their face and change their mind about the TFP Some do - I take "no" for a "no" so I would leave comments no matter what.
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Jinx1313
Posts: 259
Emeryville, California, US
Alix Andrea wrote:
Hence why models leave tags and comment overloads on top phtographers pages hoping they will see their face and change their mind about the TFP Haha! Exactly. One photog used to do TFP and I never had the nerve to contact him but when I finally did he had rates posted. I sent him a message saying "Damn! I should have contacted you before you started charging" and admitted to being intimated by his great work. He replied "See you shouldn't be so shy and take risks in life." We now have a TFP shoot scheduled for the end of this month, hehe.
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Iona Lynn
Posts: 11176
Oakland, California, US
I keep telling myself this is the last TFP then I find my self staring at a book that has images that make my brain bleed...
If a photogrpahers images make my brain bleed and I want to get rid of what I already have to make room for theres then I will do TFP...
It all depends on who askes...
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Alix Andrea
Posts: 3035
Los Angeles, California, US
Jinx1313 wrote:
Haha! Exactly. One photog used to do TFP and I never had the nerve to contact him but when I finally did he had rates posted. I sent him a message saying "Damn! I should have contacted you before you started charging" and admitted to being intimated by his great work. He replied "See you shouldn't be so shy and take risks in life." We now have a TFP shoot scheduled for the end of this month, hehe. Thats cuz you're hot!
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Iona Lynn wrote:
I keep telling myself this is the last TFP then I find my self staring at a book that has images that make my brain bleed...
If a photogrpahers images make my brain bleed and I want to get rid of what I already have to make room for theres then I will do TFP...
It all depends on who askes... **slices brain with a razor**
Photographer
Ransomaniac
Posts: 12588
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Shyly wrote:
It's not just hotness. Nobody has ever agreed to collaborate with me based on hotness, but a whole slew of fantastic photographers have because they feel I can bring something unique to their work.
It's about standing out from the crowd. Be hotter than everyone else, or if you can't do that, bring something else to the table that makes you the only and obvious choice to shoot with. The rest falls into place from there. Hotness isn't necessarily all about "looks" Sometimes it's the way the girl brings it to the camera. Personality, or sometimes it's a certain look that would be hot for your project/ book/ idea that makes her hawt.
besides Shyly, you KNOW you're fierce so quit fishing dammit!
Model
Angela_M
Posts: 558
Chicago, Illinois, US
Image K wrote:
There are exceptions to every rule. Agreed.
Photographer
duds here
Posts: 397
Chicago, Illinois, US
Sometimes no tfp means no except when the photographer suddenly thinks of a new concept or project and finds the right model then .....why not?
It happens when I sometimes get requests from people who have an interesting look that will fit ideas I have. It hurts the pocket book but sometimes you have to put out to get back.
The same is true with models, I have photographed many who said pay only.
So it doesn't hurt to ask, like the two that contacted me yesterday, I may shoot with one of them, but it does help to follow instructions about calling etc. so the photog doesn't waste their time with no shows.
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Angela_M
Posts: 558
Chicago, Illinois, US
Shyly wrote:
It's not just hotness. Nobody has ever agreed to collaborate with me based on hotness, but a whole slew of fantastic photographers have because they feel I can bring something unique to their work.
It's about standing out from the crowd. Be hotter than everyone else, or if you can't do that, bring something else to the table that makes you the only and obvious choice to shoot with. The rest falls into place from there. Yes,I agree with this too.
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Artistic Vision
Posts: 2207
Billings, Montana, US
James Graham wrote:
Do you mean "says" ???
Cause I'm really confused... My thoughts as well at first I thought it was a type-o in just the title till I opened it up.
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23400
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Christopher Ambler wrote:
We're not talking about nudes. We're talking about trade (TFP). I got my threads crossed...
Sorry, guys.
Model
Shyly
Posts: 3870
Pasadena, California, US
Ransom J wrote:
Hotness isn't necessarily all about "looks" Sometimes it's the way the girl brings it to the camera. Personality, or sometimes it's a certain look that would be hot for your project/ book/ idea that makes her hawt.
besides Shyly, you KNOW you're fierce so quit fishing dammit! :p I'm not fishin'! I'm making a point, and it would be mean to use anyone but myself as an example. And we BOTH know I'm not hot. The girls you shoot, they're hot. I'm an art model who gets to make neat photographs sometimes. Different critters entirely. The point was that sometimes, if you're hot enough, the bad boys of photography will make an exception for you. (Or as bt puts it, if you can make him stutter.) But also sometimes, if you're unusual enough, or ballsy enough, or something-different-and-intriguing enough, those bad boys will also make an exception.
I just think this is a great topic, because it illustrates so well that instead of trying so damn hard to look and be and act like everyone else (and therefore be a completely forgettable part of the herd), sometimes it's a good idea to just be your own bad self.
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SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Shyly wrote:
And we BOTH know I'm not hot. My girlfriend thinks you're hot. 
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Kentsoul
Posts: 9739
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
Madcitychel wrote:
We all know that a lot of times when a woman sais "no" that really means "maybe".
I find the same thing with photographers here. No TFP - that means "maybe if you are hot".
Thought there are a few photographers, who say Absolutely no TFP, no exceptions. So that is a most likely a "no". By the same token, I've been approached for TFP recently by two different models who list "Paid Assignments Only" on their profiles. I'm certainly not complaining, but this particular blade does cut both ways.
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Kentsoul
Posts: 9739
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
Shyly wrote:
Nobody has ever agreed to collaborate with me based on hotness... I did.
Photographer
ChanStudio
Posts: 9219
Alpharetta, Georgia, US
Madcitychel wrote:
We all know that a lot of times when a woman sais "no" that really means "maybe".
I find the same thing with photographers here. No TFP - that means "maybe if you are hot".
Thought there are a few photographers, who say Absolutely no TFP, no exceptions. So that is a most likely a "no". Why do we human have to create life with such complication? Why not just mean what one said, a "No" means no! I find that individual who is wishy-washy tend to go back and forth between "No" and "Maybe" on the same subject.
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