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Hi guys,
For the people that shoot this style, what about it specifically inspires you? One of my favourite art nude photographers tells me he loves the artistry in the way the ropes are tied. I'm an art minded person but I must admit this is one form of modelling and photography that I can't find an appreciation for artistically - to me, it only appears to be a sexual thing. I'm interested to hear what others think, specifically from those that model or photograph it. What do you love about it? Jul 20 18 03:46 am Link Kelly Kooper wrote: Think of the ropework as just another style of clothing. Just as you can appreciate a well designed and executed garment, well done Shibari can look just as beautiful.
Jul 20 18 06:10 am Link I agree it's a sexual thing. It personally does nothing for me either. Jul 20 18 06:29 am Link Well, at least when it's good it's a sexual thing. The original Japanese stuff with it's discipline and sadism is fascinating. It can get watered down pretty quick outside of that. Still, even as a subset of macramé with a person in it, there are some craft and design elements to appreciate. Jul 20 18 06:40 am Link It can be very beautiful (see www.interwovenimages.com for stunning examples), but it's not something I would choose to shoot all the time. The knots take a while for the rigger to tie, and they do leave marks, which complicates shoot planning (I get enough headaches already from blue jean seam marks and marks from allegedly non-marking sports bras). Jul 20 18 06:47 am Link isn't it the photographer usually doing the tying up?
that could be your answer right there Jul 20 18 09:22 am Link goofus wrote: Not necessarily. I've done shoots where there was a separate rigger, including at shibari photography workshops, where the rope guru is considered a part of the "team" and compensated for his/her time. Jul 20 18 09:36 am Link sex and art arent mutually exclusive Jul 20 18 04:55 pm Link Laura UnBound wrote: I've only seen Araki do interesting things with rope. Jul 20 18 05:05 pm Link Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote: That pretty much defines what I find interesting about it for me. I shoot very little of it and when I do, the challenge is to see how interesting a design I can make with a single rope of a specific length. I'm completely turned off by the sadism and domination/submission aspects that generally define the form. Jul 20 18 07:27 pm Link Kelly Kooper wrote: I shoot B&W mostly, and I was originally drawn solely to the aesthetic of texture and contrast. As I work with more and more people, I’ve discovered that individuals engage in shibari for a host of different reasons. Navigating those reasons and those individuals’ goals and finding mutual ground in rope continues to be exceptionally interesting and rewarding. Shibari can be a powerful connection. Or a pretty picture. Or nothing at all.
Jul 20 18 07:38 pm Link I think like many things in life it's one of those things that either appeals to you or not, and the reasons why can vary from lifestyle, to sexuality, to art, etc. I don't "get" it, but I don't begrudge those that embrace it either.
I love licorice ice cream. Lots of people don't. I can't describe exactly why I love it, I just know I do. I also have a hard time understanding why some people don't like it, but accept that they don't. If you don't like it I'm not going to try to convince you that you should. Jul 25 18 05:51 am Link Jorge Kreimer wrote: I've seen extremely few people do anything actually interesting with a naked woman on a studio backdrop or in the woods or on a sofa. /shrug Jul 25 18 10:30 am Link Laura UnBound wrote: Me too. Jul 26 18 07:22 am Link Jorge Kreimer wrote: Laura UnBound wrote: I've only seen Araki do interesting things with rope.[/quote
Jul 26 18 11:32 am Link Risen Phoenix Photo wrote: I'm sorry, who said what? Jul 29 18 09:35 pm Link Always wondered how you can get thru a shibari shoot without the model telling you she's got to pee. Jul 30 18 08:10 am Link I tried it before and enjoyed the preparation and the process. 5 years in Boy Scouts pays off. Also a little bit of sailing. I practiced for a couple of weeks before the shoot with some basic ties. The model had done it many times and said I was half decent. I would probably try again if the circumstances came around. Jul 30 18 10:02 am Link Francisco Castro wrote: I agree. I do not see shibari as necessarily sexual, although it often is, and my personal preference is for the style that decorates the body more than it sexualises it.
Aug 02 18 05:12 pm Link I think I view shibari as an art-form in itself. For photographic purposes, it depends on many factors....such as the ties, the rope, the model, the environment, lighting, framing, story......same with any other types of photography. Aug 09 18 04:29 am Link http://illusion.scene360.com/art/97256/ … otography/
As a photographer these pictures...... As a participant not sure.... Aug 10 18 01:12 pm Link Many things defy explanation. Sky diving, sex, altruism, BDSM, shibari, art, just to name a few. If such things don’t resonate with someone, often no explanation is possible and certainly all explanations are weak attempts. Still, we try to explain, don’t we?
In the case of shibari, one should note there are two perspectives to consider, the one tying as well as the one being tied. I would suggest that both must be considered. To the casual observer it might appear that the one tying is all, but this is definitely not the case. Having asked numerous women who enjoy being tied what they experienced and why they like it, a couple surprising themes emerge. They are obviously helpless but that is simply not mentioned. Those I’ve asked have always begun with feeling especially safe and cared for. Does this not go a long way toward demonstrating the difficulty of explanation? Aug 11 18 05:08 am Link I personally make my business exclusively off of shibari (or kinbaku, for some of the jargon picky ones).
For myself, it peaked my interest when I saw that I could express myself, and my perception of Japanese aesthetics, while managing to be social about it. If we had to define "art" (as some like to divide art and erotica), I've always appreciated the following definition: "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. (Google Define: Art)" That being said, one an easily divide the practice from the erotic through technique applied. I can't very well run my weekly (twice a week) classes if it were simply a sexual thing (there's all sorts of tricky legal matters around that anyways), as such, when I run a class, the ties and methodology presented is extremely clinical, and yet we can make some very interesting presentations that can do anything from stimulate the imagination, to tell a story. We even apply principles such as breathing with the movements, ergonomics, psychology, the application of the golden ratio in presentation, the use, or absence of space, minimalism, etc. When it's a stage performance, it may be at the local cafe or pub, in which it needs to be impressive and/or beautiful as per attending the audience. While if it's at an adult club, it may be nude, or even overtly erotic or sexual. It can be loving and gentle like the late Yukimura Haruki's work, r both sadistic and powerful like Akira Naka. in the end, the one thing I explain to people about it more often than knot, is that shibari is what you bring to it. Jan 26 19 10:25 am Link Laura UnBound wrote: I agree with this 1000% percent but I also accept that we are all different and others may not agree.
Jan 26 19 10:57 am Link *shrug* Why are boobs great to look at?
You can't really explain it. Jan 26 19 06:04 pm Link How much salt do you put in your soup. That is the answer. Everyone has different tastes and you do what you think works for you. Jan 27 19 06:32 am Link Kelly Kooper wrote: While many shoot this very well, it is a fetish art. If someone is interested in modeling fetish or kink or in exploring it a little then this might be an expression of it.
Jan 27 19 08:07 am Link Ivy Wild wrote: If multiple people like something, then there is utility in asking them why in case you are missing something
Jan 27 19 11:41 pm Link Its basically a fetish. If you don’t get it then its not your thing. Nothing to explaign or understand. Jan 28 19 05:11 am Link Ivy Wild wrote: I remember my first nude drawing class around 17 years old......Some boobs are not so great to look at......And so are other parts on a human body not very inspiring but, make some interesting drawings. Jan 28 19 09:31 am Link Robb Mann wrote: I don't agree with that.
Jan 28 19 12:00 pm Link C.C. Holdings wrote: Can you accurately describe why you like a particular aroma so that I will understand exactly what you are smelling? Jan 28 19 12:47 pm Link Robb Mann wrote: Exactly. Feb 01 19 06:20 pm Link Robb Mann wrote: I disagree.
Feb 01 19 07:06 pm Link I'm convinced that many people see it as an art form, while others see it as an artistic fetish. Neither is wrong. It can be very visually appealing and for that reason I like to look at all the interesting patterns created by the ropes on the model's body. I know I'm not talented enough to be able to do even the simplest form of it, but I wouldn't hesitate to let someone who was very experienced with it use my body as part of their creativity, within reason of course. When you are my age, you simply aren't as physically flexible as someone younger.
And trust me on this one......a lot of photographers and artists who want a model wearing very specific types of underwear most definitely have an underwear fetish, which there is nothing wrong with either. I've done enough of that type of modelling to be able to tell right away if they have that fetish or not. Feb 01 19 08:44 pm Link DCurtis wrote: A well executed image of fruit intrigues as much ... Yes indeed there are some well done works which are compelling captures.
Feb 02 19 06:20 am Link Its a sex thing
In the fall of '17 I was getting a lap dance in a private room at the local gentleman's club where I was drawn to the mural on the back wall, a blonde in an erotic pose featuring a basic shibari suspension tie. A couple months later, while immersed in that image, I experienced an epiphany - yeah, I wanna do that,,, Its a form of creative expression Been doing it about a year now. Not much interested in working on a project that doesn't involve rope in some form or fashion. For me, Shibari is the adhesive that binds all of the elements in my projects from set design, lighting, model selection, etc. Its a fetish How fetishy depends on the context. I consider my style (stil evolving) to be somewhere in the neighborhood of fetish-lite. For riggers such as Fred Kyrel's (https://www.fredkyrel.com/) pinup style (a personal favorite) is not at all fetishy. What shibari is not Shibari is not a prop any more than a fashion designer's creation is a prop. Shibari exist on it's own terms and as such should be considered a medium in photography context. For what its worth, several of the models I've worked with over the last year have characterized it as a unique and/or satisfying experience, sentiments I share Mar 03 19 05:10 pm Link Photo Jen B wrote: It's history is torture.
Mar 03 19 11:38 pm Link My reaction to the subject is that it is unadulterated KINK...None of the female models ever are smiling...I don't see Male Models being roped. Hence the inference is that it a a sensual/sexual fetish. **** Too bad the Marqui De Sade is not around to give an opinion .My guess he would love it. Mar 04 19 03:06 pm Link ZMPHOT wrote: 1. Well yes. Some of it is artistic nude with kink added, some is pinup-style with kink added, and some is outright erotica with kink added.
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