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Don't assume I need to shoot nudes.........
I know this has been talked about before but who cares....so has everything else  I just received a message from a model (she contacted me.....I had never even message her before) Here is what she wrote: "I am in love with your work and would love to work with you while I am in Las Vegas. The only problem I have is I do not shoot nudes and I see you have a lot of them in your portfolio. So maybe we are not the best match up. If you can do a shoot without me taking my clothes off I would love to set something up" There was some more stuff in there but you get the point. Just because I have shot nudes does not mean I have to shoot them with you. In fact, I only have one 18+ image in my portfolio. I also have a headshot with a model in a turtleneck......I don't have to shoot those either. I like to see my portfolio as a big example of what I can do. I have everything in there from an 18+ fine art nude to as clothed as you can get. I have casual, lingerie, fashion, headshots and everything else I can think to shoot. I just had to vent a little.........not really looking for any advice but feel free to speak your mind if you want. Dec 06 06 06:15 pm Link The same happens to me with many models. Its OK to Vent if you are not nude when you do it. EL Dec 06 06 06:18 pm Link Thomas, your work speaks for its self!!! She would be nuts not to shoot with you!!! Dec 06 06 06:21 pm Link PIC wrote: haha.....fully clothed i promise Dec 06 06 06:23 pm Link Julie Montana wrote: Thank you so much Julie......I think I am nuts to let it get to me....lol Dec 06 06 06:23 pm Link I only have 5 nudes out of 21 shots in my port so I make it a point to let the model know when I contact them whether or not I'm looking for a nude model. It clears up the confusion right away. Or if they contact me first I ask them, if they did state it already, what type of shoot/shots they would like to create. Dec 06 06 06:27 pm Link I worked with a local wanna be model for two years. She alternatively came to work as a clerk, took classes, did odd jobs and asked limitless questions about every possible avenue about modeling and becoming ANTM. (If she wasn't modelesk with almost perfect pysical equipment for a fashion model - until she opens her mouth!) I would not have agreed over and over to take her back after her immaturity, lack of professional or even common courtesy handling of the smallest problems. She was almost never where she should be, agreed to be when she said she would be - you get the picture. I finally put together a print portfolio and a high quality CD as a 21st birthday gift and since she had always referred to me as "her photographer" implying much to my regret her only photographer, we had always planned a significant coming out. Placement on many sites, her own web site, multi marketing, introductions, etc. She announced that because I have nudity on my portfolio she does not want to be associated with me when she comes out. Although it is truly a blessing in disquise given the never ending mostly self caused drama it was still a shock! Dec 06 06 06:31 pm Link Same thing has happened to me. I've got maybe 4-5 images out of 20 images that are 18 plus, if that's all a model keys in on then i let her know that we aren't a good match just as she said. Just because I shoot nudes or topless doesn't mean i'll MAKE you shoot them too, and if that's your ONLY concern when setting up a shoot with me then from jumpstreet your attitude is NOT one that is conducive to creating good images and I'd much rather not work with you. Dec 06 06 07:49 pm Link Thomas B wrote: I think for a large number of MM models : Dec 06 06 09:25 pm Link I went as far as adding a line in my profile to state I'm not just here to shoot nudes, and I direct any models to my website and to feel free to contact the other models I have worked with to verify that I won't even ask if someone has already expressed they won't shoot nude. BTW Thomas - keep up the awesome work and vent anytime! Dec 06 06 09:31 pm Link DFWlens wrote: Ok...so going through all of the images in my portfolio would you assume you have to shoot nude....even implied with me if you were a model? Does it really appear that I do not shoot clothed shots? Dec 06 06 09:36 pm Link yeah man..vent away brotha..i get the same thing all the time. Now...if most of my images were of nude men instead of women..do u think it would make a difference in their perspective?? Dec 06 06 09:40 pm Link Barry Gallegos wrote: Thank you for the compliment. Love your work too. And you make an excellent point. I would never ask a model to do something she has stated she is not into doing. I would think my references are as good as they can get. I usually end up shooting with a model 3-5 times after the first shoot. That does not happen to a photographer pushing people's limits. That happens to a photographer who respects every person he works with. Dec 06 06 09:41 pm Link We will show em Thomas! Dec 06 06 09:45 pm Link And most of the models I have shot with I have re-shot again, so I take that as a compliment and I think that in this business (and in Vegas) word of mouth carries big time, so I constantly strive to make sure I am not getting a bad rap! Dec 06 06 09:45 pm Link Thomas B wrote: What I see is someone who is command of his lighting and his camera(s). You also understand feminine form both clothed and sans clothing in way many people do not and will not ever understand. You are an artist. Dec 06 06 09:46 pm Link I shoot nudes. I also shoot cheesy Maxim-style glamour. Now and again I shoot artistic stuff that only I and my two fans like. I plan to do more fashion next year, since I've not done much yet. What's the difference? Me, I would have said, "You don't want to do nudes, and I don't want to do clown porn. So sure, propose something we both want to do and we'll talk about it." Dec 06 06 09:49 pm Link SculptedLife wrote: WOW....that was quite the compliment coming from someone with your talent. your work is amazing. I tried sculpture one time in college and it was a disaster....lol It was before photography....probably the reason I picked up a camera....lol I will be back often to check out your work......awesome! Dec 06 06 09:53 pm Link What about possibly asking ADMIN: to create a separate ModelNakedMayhem site where Models that are over 18 (and also over their nipple phobia, men have them too) and do pose nude or at least topless, can post their profiles along with Photographers that will shoot nudes? I wonder if it is time to separate the "nudies from the prudies". Sometimes I wonder why 15 and 16 year old girls have their portfolios on this site (I realize that many Models start young) - but, there is alot of pretty strong stuff on here. I'm talking about bondage, blood (I don't know if it is always real or always fake - it is probably someplace in between) staged disasters, pierced everythings and tattoed everywheres, along with much - much nakedness. Is it correct to allow under age young ladies to post their profiles here? I realize it would be very difficult, if not impossible to control. That is just a thought... Another thing that bothers me on this site are the Models that say in their portfolio that they "DO NOT POSE NUDE" - yet their Avatar or shots in their portfolio have them posing pretty much naked except for certain areas being covered by hands, scant articles of clothing or stategicly placed hair. I feel these girls belong on ModelTeaseMayhem. There is an issue of wasted time by both Models responding to requests and Photographers asking questions about nudity. Would it make sense to add some 'manditory - fill in the blanks' lines in the "Bio" section of everyone's profile regarding what kind of posing a Model will or will not do - or a what a Photographer will or will not shoot - in the interest of saving everyone's valuable time? These are only my opinions and observations and no offense is meant toward anyone....Just my two cents worth, that's all. Dec 06 06 10:11 pm Link Thomas B wrote: To her apparantly it did. To some MM models, photogs are pervs until proven otherwise. This reminds me of those does-skin-in-my-port-scare-away-models thread. Dec 06 06 10:25 pm Link Most of the time I have NO nudes in my portfolio, yet, I'll still get girls making initial contact me, and of course mentioning that they don't want to do nudes. Dec 06 06 10:28 pm Link DFWlens wrote: No.....and not because of this issue. She is a model starting out and only wants a start up portfolio for casting calls. And of course she wants it done for trade. I have no problem doing trades with models who will strengthen my portfolio but not for basic headshots that I can't really use. I would have never posted this if she was a paying customer. I would have said "yes mam....anything you want" lol Dec 06 06 10:37 pm Link Thomas B wrote: Thomas, Dec 06 06 10:38 pm Link If I'm a chick that wants strong non nude photos....why would I solicite T.B. who clearly has a penchant for it and does it so well. I mean, I don't get any emails from girls that want me to shoot they're fashion portfolios (thank god)- If I get solicited...it's understood some clothes will be shed. Dec 06 06 10:45 pm Link Tiff Marie wrote: WOW....I am actually amazed at that. you said I can't deny the fact that the vast majority of my shots are naked girls. In reality, 29 of my 52 images are clothed (not even implieds) that is over half of my images that are clothed. I would not call that a vast majority.....would you? Maybe you counted wrong Dec 06 06 10:49 pm Link Thomas B wrote: that's because we are a nation with twisted notions about sex. Dec 06 06 10:54 pm Link Since it's been brought up .... a) Let's charge double for those pesky nudes. b) Triple if there are folds where folds didn't appear when you wuzza 19. c) Aaaaaand, I may become suddenly unavailable should panty and bra lines be more like indentations when ~~ "' tah-dah '" ~~ you've made the unveiling public. Entertainment aside, it's best to leave people peacefully within their comfort zone and continue to shoot what you love. Me thinks it's time to post wonderful nakedness in light of this thread.  bt (( edited - the nakedness has arrived. there could be more to come! )) Dec 06 06 10:54 pm Link Kenzphotos wrote: I agree. Dec 06 06 11:00 pm Link oh my god- i'm one of those idiots that i hate who used hyperbole without thinking and ended up wrong. for that, i apologize. i'm even a bit embarassed- i hate being the dumb person anywhere, let alone in an MM thread. ugh, slay me. BUT, almost half is still a lot. Dec 06 06 11:00 pm Link I get the same for having mainly bikini images on my port here but I could careless because the magazines, companies, and most models I work with are in this industry. I know when I contact a model she is going to see this fact and either decide she will or will not want to work with me. If you shoot many nudes, especially glam, they will look at that as well and think the same. the problem for you however is that shooting nudes is huge difference than shooting bikini shots so you are being judged even more. I am not saying it is right or wrong but if you don't want models to think this way maybe you should add different looks. Even if you only have one nude in your port you still have other images out in other model ports as well. Hey if you like shooting what you shoot don't change! Dec 06 06 11:02 pm Link Tiff Marie wrote: I see....so OVER half being clothed IS NOT considered a lot of clothed shots...... but ALMOST half of sexier implied shots IS considered a lot. I get it.....no I am kidding....I still don't get it. But that is what makes this a great place. We can all have different ideas and opinions and still be friends Dec 06 06 11:04 pm Link ( ANT ) Mgaphoto wrote: See...that is where I have the problem. I love shooting everything. I even have a landscape photography site thomasbeaman.com for those who care. I want a model to be able to come to me with any request and I want to be able to fill it. I want my portfolio to show that Ican shoot a variety of styles and I thought it showed that but I guess in reality it only shows that I shoot nudes. I love shooting everything and want to shoot everything.....I want my cake and I want to eat it too Dec 06 06 11:07 pm Link Ya I think it's odd too - I would never picture some of these models nude until they protest so much on their port too. I more seems to peek one's interest...? just my opinion Dec 06 06 11:10 pm Link What's the difference between "peaking interest" and "teasing" (read: wasting valuable time)??? Dec 06 06 11:13 pm Link Amost every email from a model starts off "I like what you do but I do not do nudes." Its just that every GWC has hit up every fem here to see them naked for a few pics with a camera they just got at target... Dec 06 06 11:17 pm Link Thomas B wrote: Dec 06 06 11:22 pm Link Wicked Illusion wrote: I don't get it. At least 75% of the emails I get from models asking to work with me are to do lingerie and nudes. Dec 06 06 11:26 pm Link Everyone think's I just shoot Pregnant! . . . NO! . . . Really! Dec 06 06 11:28 pm Link Whats the problem here. The girl saw nude images and said she was not up for that. She did not state that you only shoot nudes or that she thought that was the only thing you did. Give the girls a break, they are asked so often about nudes they think that they have to clarify. Just say thank you for pointing that out and discuss the shoot. cheers Barry Dec 06 06 11:42 pm Link So Barry, In the interest of saving time, (and possibly some embarrasment) what do you think about my idea of making it manditory to fill in blanks in the MM bio section of each profile, regarding what a Model will or will not do (in the way of posing - same for Photograhers and what they will or will not shoot)??? Dec 06 06 11:46 pm Link |
