Barry Thoms wrote:
Whats the problem here. The girl saw nude images and said she was not up for that. She did not state that you only shoot nudes or that she thought that was the only thing you did.

Give the girls a break, they are asked so often about nudes they think that they have to clarify. Just say thank you for pointing that out and discuss the shoot.

cheers

Barry

Actually it was the "maybe we are not the best matchup" line that threw me. Like another poster said....why would someone contact *me* and then say *we are not the best matchup* If that's the case, why contact me in the first place. Anyway......I just find it odd...if you do not find it odd....it just makes us different....that's all

Kenzphotos wrote:
So Barry,

In the interest of saving time, (and possibly some embarrasment) what do you think about my idea of making it manditory to fill in blanks in the MM bio section of each profile, regarding what a Model will or will not do (in the way of posing - same for Photograhers and what they will or will not shoot)???

Although most of the people I shoot  don't come from here I still  I like that idea a lot I think OMP used to have that search feature when I used to be on there

Pregnant Model Project wrote:
Everyone think's I just shoot Pregnant! . . .  NO!  . . . Really!

i wonder why

Kenzphotos wrote:
Thanks Bryan,

I see what this thread is about and I am interested in saving time and eliminating drama.  That would leave more valuable time for ALL of us to do what we are passionate about - and that is shooting.

EXACTLY

With the exception of a couple, the girls in my port are not models…they all have jobs unrelated, and are people I saw something in, and ask to photograph, them For me   I just want to make good work clothed or not. Like I tell people I've seen more naked chicks and craziness working at the nightclub I work at part time  then I ever will shooting portraits but then I get “well I don’t think I could pose like that LOL

Thomas B wrote:
I know this has been talked about before but who cares....so has everything else
I just received a message from a model (she contacted me.....I had never even message her before) Here is what she wrote:
"I am in love with your work and would love to work with you while I am in Las Vegas. The only problem I have is I do not shoot nudes and I see you have a lot of them in your portfolio. So maybe we are not the best match up. If you can do a shoot without me taking my clothes off I would love to set something up"
There was some more stuff in there but you get the point.
Just because I have shot nudes does not mean I have to shoot them with you. In fact, I only have one 18+ image in my portfolio. I also have a headshot with a model in a turtleneck......I don't have to shoot those either. I like to see my portfolio as a big example of what I can do. I have everything in there from an 18+ fine art nude to as clothed as you can get. I have casual, lingerie, fashion, headshots and everything else I can think to shoot.
I just had to vent a little.........not really looking for any advice but feel free to speak your mind if you want.

I looked at your port and honestly to me its really diverse (and amazing! Great pics..!) and it doesnt imply that you can ONLY do nudes, you're skilled at them as well as other things...to be real with you though, a lot of times when a photographer contacts me I put it out there in the beginning that I am not looking to do nudes just because of bad experiences I have had in the past. One photographer wanted me to shoot some nude stuff, full frontal and everything, and that just wasnt in my comfort zone, especially the way he demanded it, he ended up calling me childish because I wouldnt take off my underwear etc in front of him, and insulting my work wthic etc, etc...Needless to say it was a terrible shoot, and I've had similar things happen where the photographer just wanted to get me out of my clothes. Maybe they needed it for their port or something, but it wasnt what I was going for at all. So now just as a precaution and to avoid problems during shooting I usually state that I dont want to shoot any nudes (I dont, however, consider an implied a nude shot). But yeah, anyway I dont think she did it to offend you, or presumed that all you can shoot are nudes, she may have had some bad experiences too, or wants to avoid some uncomfortable situations..

Alix Andrea wrote:

I looked at your port and honestly to me its really diverse (and amazing! Great pics..!) and it doesnt imply that you can ONLY do nudes, you're skilled at them as well as other things...to be real with you though, a lot of times when a photographer contacts me I put it out there in the beginning that I am not looking to do nudes just because of bad experiences I have had in the past. One photographer wanted me to shoot some nude stuff, full frontal and everything, and that just wasnt in my comfort zone, especially the way he demanded it, he ended up calling me childish because I wouldnt take off my underwear etc in front of him, and insulting my work wthic etc, etc...Needless to say it was a terrible shoot, and I've had similar things happen where the photographer just wanted to get me out of my clothes. Maybe they needed it for their port or something, but it wasnt what I was going for at all. So now just as a precaution and to avoid problems during shooting I usually state that I dont want to shoot any nudes (I dont, however, consider an implied a nude shot). But yeah, anyway I dont think she did it to offend you, or presumed that all you can shoot are nudes, she may have had some bad experiences too, or wants to avoid some uncomfortable situations..

First let me say thank you so much for the great compliemt As for what you said.....I totally get it. I would never have a problem with a model telling me she was ot into shooting nudes. I would say no worries. The weird part for me was that she contacted me and then said we were not a good match (why even contact me....ya know). I know I should not let that kind of stuff get to me.....actually it only lasted a second.....but before that second was up I vented on here....lol But then there was a model who posted on here saying that my portfolios howe I really only shoot nudes....so it made me start second guessing my portfolio. I want to show people that I can shoot whatever they want. I do not want to be tied down to one thing. I want to do it all. so it makes me feel better that other people like yourself can see that I shoot more than one thing.
Thanks again for the words
Thomas
PS....That really sucks about your bad experience.......those kind of people do not belong in this business. but unfortunatley they will always be there

Thomas B wrote:
I know this has been talked about before but who cares....so has everything else
I just received a message from a model (she contacted me.....I had never even message her before) Here is what she wrote:
"I am in love with your work and would love to work with you while I am in Las Vegas. The only problem I have is I do not shoot nudes and I see you have a lot of them in your portfolio. So maybe we are not the best match up. If you can do a shoot without me taking my clothes off I would love to set something up"
There was some more stuff in there but you get the point.
Just because I have shot nudes does not mean I have to shoot them with you. In fact, I only have one 18+ image in my portfolio. I also have a headshot with a model in a turtleneck......I don't have to shoot those either. I like to see my portfolio as a big example of what I can do. I have everything in there from an 18+ fine art nude to as clothed as you can get. I have casual, lingerie, fashion, headshots and everything else I can think to shoot.
I just had to vent a little.........not really looking for any advice but feel free to speak your mind if you want.

Wicked Illusion wrote:
Amost every email from a model starts off "I like what you do but I do not do nudes."  Its just that every GWC has hit up every fem here to see them naked for a few pics with a camera they just got at target...

Thomas B wrote:

First let me say thank you so much for the great compliemt As for what you said.....I totally get it. I would never have a problem with a model telling me she was ot into shooting nudes. I would say no worries. The weird part for me was that she contacted me and then said we were not a good match (why even contact me....ya know). I know I should not let that kind of stuff get to me.....actually it only lasted a second.....but before that second was up I vented on here....lol But then there was a model who posted on here saying that my portfolios howe I really only shoot nudes....so it made me start second guessing my portfolio. I want to show people that I can shoot whatever they want. I do not want to be tied down to one thing. I want to do it all. so it makes me feel better that other people like yourself can see that I shoot more than one thing.
Thanks again for the words
Thomas
PS....That really sucks about your bad experience.......those kind of people do not belong in this business. but unfortunatley they will always be there

Ooh thats right, I didnt  catch that at first, yes that is pretty rude to say "we arent the est match" when you are the one to initally contact someone. And you better not second guess your port! Im serious! its hot Oh and thanks, as for my bad experiences...I learned from 'em, like I say in my profile, for each and every shoot I do I learn something new from it, whether it be a good or bad shoot.

QuaeVide wrote:
"I won't do nude, but I don't mind showing a little ass. As long as it is tasteful."
'Nuff said.

Haha, you are so right.

Thomas B wrote:

Actually it was the "maybe we are not the best matchup" line that threw me. Like another poster said....why would someone contact *me* and then say *we are not the best matchup* If that's the case, why contact me in the first place. Anyway......I just find it odd...if you do not find it odd....it just makes us different....that's all

I find that very odd.  As if she was typing out her inner monologue while looking at your portfolio. 

"Hhmmm, this looks nice.  Maybe he would want to work with me....but, wait...OH NO...I don't shoot nudes and he does.  Maybe we're not the best match."  "Wait a minute....did i just say that out loud?  Did anyone hear that just now?  No?  Okay, whew..we're good."

Seriously, though.  PLEASE don't second guess your port.  It is positively lovely and I, personally, would be very sad to see it change.

This does remind me of the email I got telling me that if I wanted to be a 'real' model I needed to keep my clothes on and leave more to the imagination.  Unless I wanted to the 'THAT' kind of a model.  This reproach because of the whopping 3 out of 20 nude images in my port. 

KatieK wrote:
This does remind me of the email I got telling me that if I wanted to be a 'real' model I needed to keep my clothes on and leave more to the imagination.  Unless I wanted to the 'THAT' kind of a model.  This reproach because of the whopping 3 out of 20 nude images in my port. 

Had you had no nudes in your folio, you would have gotten nutcases from the other side of the table messaging you that you have to do nude to be a "real model".

You can't please everyone.

Luminos wrote:

Had you had no nudes in your folio, you would have gotten nutcases from the other side of the table messaging you that you have to do nude to be a "real model".

You can't please everyone.

SO true.  Lately (from looking at the forums) it seems like you can't please ANYone.

KatieK wrote:

I find that very odd.  As if she was typing out her inner monologue while looking at your portfolio. 

"Hhmmm, this looks nice.  Maybe he would want to work with me....but, wait...OH NO...I don't shoot nudes and he does.  Maybe we're not the best match."  "Wait a minute....did i just say that out loud?  Did anyone hear that just now?  No?  Okay, whew..we're good."

Seriously, though.  PLEASE don't second guess your port.  It is positively lovely and I, personally, would be very sad to see it change.

This does remind me of the email I got telling me that if I wanted to be a 'real' model I needed to keep my clothes on and leave more to the imagination.  Unless I wanted to the 'THAT' kind of a model.  This reproach because of the whopping 3 out of 20 nude images in my port. 

I liked your inner conversation....lol I could see that happening in my head...haha
Yes...it's the same thing for you as a model. I love when people tell models they will never be real models if they pose nude. Give me a break. If you are fine posing nude, in lingerie, in fashion, in swimwear...they should all be in your portfolio. It shows what you can do and how you look in all of them. that's my opinion anyway. Now if a model only wants to do fashion and used to shoot nudes....then taking the nudes out of the portfolio makes sense. Your portfolio should reflect what you do now. Not what you used to do. If I wanted to start shooting swimwear exclusivley....I would get rid of everything in my portfolio and start over (since I do not have any swimwear in my port...lol)

Ransom J wrote:
[i]f that's all a model keys in on then i let her know that we aren't a good match just as she said.  Just because I shoot nudes or topless doesn't mean i'll MAKE you shoot them too, and if that's your ONLY concern when setting up a shoot with me then from jumpstreet your attitude is NOT one that is conducive to creating good images and I'd much rather not work with you.

Sum up my view....

If they get all worked up over nudes in my port then we have a fundamental mis-match of artistic vision. I have a lot in my port to SCARE away this from me.  The last thing I want to shoot is an uncomfortable and ackward model. I have enough of that with my clients and certainly don't want to deal with it with my personal work.

Plus, I'm still trying to figure out how I would MAKE someone do nude work. Well make them so it without resorting to something that would put me in jail. Besides who would want to shoot a model that's being manipulated to do nudes.  Why would you have to resort to that?  If I want to shoot nudes, I shoot them with models that want to do that work. Real simple.

I love reading profiles that tell me exactly what the model is interested in shooting or willing to shoot instead of the open ended "anything but nudes" bullshit.

Mickle Design Werks wrote:

Sum up my view....

If they get all worked up over nudes in my port then we have a fundamental mis-match of artistic vision. I have a lot in my port to SCARE away this from me.  The last thing I want to shoot is an uncomfortable and ackward model. I have enough of that with my clients and certainly don't want to deal with it with my personal work.

Plus, I'm still trying to figure out how I would MAKE someone do nude work. Well make them so it without resorting to something that would put me in jail. Besides who would want to shoot a model that's being manipulated to do nudes.  Why would you have to resort to that?  If I want to shoot nudes, I shoot them with models that want to do that work. Real simple.

I love reading profiles that tell me exactly what the model is interested in shooting or willing to shoot instead of the open ended "anything but nudes" bullshit.

EXACTLY!

I just had to say that I could not agree more.

Jack

trish wrote:
thomas..... stop trying to deny your inner voyeur!!!!  here, lemme get naked, you grab your camera and let's make some fuckin art!

anyone can look at your port and see that you have an eye for EVERYTHING.... not only boobies.  if a perspective model doesn't see that in your work, it's just someone you shouldn't worry about collaborating with.  no harm, no foul.

you're just too good at what you do..... how can that be bad!?!?!?!

xox!

You are the best! I have always been a fan of yours.......and you better watch it when you tell me to grab my camera....I will be in la quicker than you blink to work with you

ThomasB wrote:
Just because I have shot nudes does not mean I have to shoot them with you.

old saying Thomas, "only show samples (port) of the kind of work you'd like to get more of" ...

applies, in the general sense, but then turns right around on some of us if we try to show anything else we've done along the way.

guess some viewing our Book will make some subconscious application (generalization?!?) of that rule to what might be our intentions?

F

Miles Chandler wrote:
Well,not to be difficult, but when I look at your 3 pages, I don't see a wide range- I see a lot of lingerie and implied nudity. However you do the math, the overwhelming impression is of women half-clothed or undressing. Pg 1: 13 out of 20 are in lingerie or half-nude. Pg 2: 12 out of 20, pg 3: 13 out of 20.
Not that it isn't good work, but it has strong erotic overtones- and it's all studio/interior space, which may add to the impression (do you ever shoot outdoors?).
So I'm really not sure why you're surprised. It's nice work, but aside from headshots, it's mostly half-clothed and implied nudes.

I did not know people looked at lingerie (not see thru) as partial nudity. I guess swimwear would be considered partial nudity? Oh well.....I was just venting when I posted my thread.....I should have known I would get a lot of people saying my portfolio was all the same thing. I really feel that I have a variety so I will just keep doing what I do. If I miss afew jobs because of it....at least I am doing what makes me happy. Anyone who passes on working with me because I have sexy shots in my portfolio.....well...it's their loss.
Happy Holidays to everyone on MM
Thomas

Thomas B wrote:

I did not know people looked at lingerie (not see thru) as partial nudity. I guess swimwear would be considered partial nudity? Oh well.....I was just venting when I posted my thread.....I should have known I would get a lot of people saying my portfolio was all the same thing. I really feel that I have a variety so I will just keep doing what I do. If I miss afew jobs because of it....at least I am doing what makes me happy. Anyone who passes on working with me because I have sexy shots in my portfolio.....well...it's their loss.
Happy Holidays to everyone on MM
Thomas

Lingerie as partial nudity? Well I guess it depends on the lingerie.I just ordered a retro girlde and matching bullet bra in a great pinkish rose color and it covers more than a one piece bathing suit;now that's not implied nude to me.