Kali Hyde wrote:

What does that mean..I didn't shoot with them, I shot with Jeff. What does that have to do with anything..taking one sentance out of what I said to someone that wasn't you. Like, honestly what was the point of even doing that. I'm sure there are "well known" photographers on here, okay, so what?

So it's not that impressive that this guy got you a shoot with a "well known" photographer. I got myself a shoot with Tito Trelles and I'm a 19 year old music student who's been doing this for only a year...who here's heard of Tito? Who's heard of this Jeff guy? I have a feeling more raised their hands for the former than the latter. But I'm sure that the fact that this guy can find you one "well known" photographer makes him legit. Hell...I should start an "agency". I got one model one shoot with one "well known" photographer, and apparently that's all it takes to make you legit.

Kali Hyde wrote:

You aren't anything too great.

*Not to mention that you're 5'2, you have pretty much the same measurements..and weigh 10 or so pounds less than me.

Are you sure you didn't mean to say "I don't think you're too great"? Because I'm pretty sure good looks are a matter of opinion.

Kaitlin Lara wrote:

Are you sure you didn't mean to say "I don't think you're too great"? Because I'm pretty sure good looks are a matter of opinion.

Who cares what some 18 year old wanna be fashion icon from Pittburgh thinks.

I think you're fabulous.

Frankly, that's all that matters. Once you have MY seal of approval- you know you're going somewhere

Kali Hyde wrote:
Why thank you. It's not that hard fighting off people that act like they are 12 though. I don't have much else to do while my boyfriend is at work...why not a little online entertainment =]

BAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man...you are by far the best source of entertainment on this website right now. I can't wait to see these photos you're wating on...lol.

Kaitlin Lara wrote:

BAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man...you are by far the best source of entertainment on this website right now. I can't wait to see these photos you're wating on...lol.

Waiting on but probably won't receive

Kali Hyde wrote:

down hill doesn't begin to decribe it. It's immature, but still entertaining.

It takes two to tango dearest. I do believe when the word "whatever" passed through your keyboard onto the screen you relinquished all rights to call anyone immature.

Daniela V wrote:

Who cares what some 18 year old wanna be fashion icon from Pittburgh thinks.

I think you're fabulous.

Frankly, that's all that matters. Once you have MY seal of approval- you know you're going somewhere

Well thank you! But she wasn't insulting me...she was insulting someone prettier I just found it obnoxious that she stated it like it was a fact, as opposed to her opinion.

James Jackson wrote:
No,  I'd have to say no... you've proven through your posts on the board without a doubt you are the most likely to fall for scams person on the board.

He was wrong.  At best, that model deserves an Honorable Mention for Most Credulous.  The OP in this case is as bad as I have ever seen.  She doesn't understand the Halo Effect (just because some good agencies are in a room doesn't mean that all "agencies" in the room are good).  She doesn't understand that any commercial agency a thousand miles from you that makes you pay for things is a scam.  She doesn't have the skill to see that her "well known photographer" takes pictures of models and actors that are, at best, undistinguished.  She doesn't understand that the agency in Austin is operating illegally, without a license, and that while they were in New Orleans they were famous for making their money by giving classes and selling pictures.  She doesn't understand that agencies don't have to directly receive money from a model to make money from picture sales.  She doesn't understand that when a company like Quickbooks, which is widely documented as a scam, sells you pictures and leaves, it's because they make their money by selling pictures and leaving.  She doesn't understand that people who do not work for magazines can claim to "submit" to them - and it's meaningless.

And she is impervious to anyone who tells her what she doesn't want to hear.  No manner of argument will make any difference to her.

To the OP:  I am fully aware that you will not understand or believe a word I say.  For your information, I have been in the model industry for a very, very long time.  I have been to well over two dozen model searches, including several Proscout events.  I understand very well how they work. I have owned and operated a real model agency that made its money by getting work for models.  I have seen scams like this over and over and over again, and I have seen that they work because people want to believe so badly that they will insist on ignoring anything counter to that belief.

Time to stick a fork in it.

TXPhotog wrote:
Kaitlin!  You are better than this.  It's often said:  "Never mud wrestle with a pig.  You get covered with mud, and the pig enjoys it."

On another forum, and to another model, Mr. Jackson opined:


He was wrong.  At best, that model deserves an Honorable Mention for Most Credulous.  The OP in this case is as bad as I have ever seen.  She doesn't understand the Halo Effect (just because some good agencies are in a room doesn't mean that all "agencies" in the room are good).  She doesn't understand that any commercial agency a thousand miles from you that makes you pay for things is a scam.  She doesn't have the skill to see that her "well known photographer" takes pictures of models and actors that are, at best, undistinguished.  She doesn't understand that the agency in Austin is operating illegally, without a license, and that while they were in New Orleans they were famous for making their money by giving classes and selling pictures.  She doesn't understand that agencies don't have to directly receive money from a model to make money from picture sales.  She doesn't understand that when a company like Quickbooks, which is widely documented as a scam, sells you pictures and leaves, it's because them make their money by selling pictures and leaving.  She doesn't understand that people who do not work for magazines can claim to "submit" to them - and it's meaningless.

And she is impervious to anyone who tells her what she doesn't want to hear.  No manner of argument will make any difference to her.

To the OP:  I am fully aware that you will not understand or believe a word I say.  For your information, I have been in the model industry for a very, very long time.  I have been to well over two dozen model searches, including several Proscout events.  I understand very well how they work. I have owned and operated a real model agency that made its money by getting work for models.  I have seen scams like this over and over and over again, and I have seen that they work because people want to believe so badly that they will insist on ignoring anything counter to that belief.

Time to stick a fork in it.

Well said Tx. Especially the last sentence it is, indeed, time to stick a fork in it this thread appears to be done and nothing useful can come of posting to it and keeping it alive anymore I dont believe.

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Tx, do you have to pull your punches on this one?  For once, why can't you tell it like it is!

He can't help it, Alan, he's just a softy like that.

TXPhotog wrote:
On another forum, and to another model, Mr. Jackson opined:

James Jackson wrote:
No,  I'd have to say no... you've proven through your posts on the board without a doubt you are the most likely to fall for scams person on the board.

He was wrong.  At best, that model deserves an Honorable Mention for Most Credulous.

I sit corrected.

what can I say... when you're right you're right

TXPhotog wrote:
Kaitlin!  You are better than this.  It's often said:  "Never mud wrestle with a pig.  You get covered with mud, and the pig enjoys it."

In my defense...95% of my posts in here did have information that would be helpful to anyone who didn't have wax in their ears...or in their eyes...actually...that's really disgusting. I don't know why I just said that.

LHC Photography wrote:
oh kali, where are you? we need to spice things up a bit more.

She's done for now...she hit her quota for tags and profile hits this week, so she is waiting until next week to post the a new thread about how Barbizon isn't a rip-off....

Kaitlin Lara wrote:
Are you sure you didn't mean to say "I don't think you're too great"? Because I'm pretty sure good looks are a matter of opinion.

Kaitlin is SMOKIN HOT!!!!!!! Definately a benefit to my portfolio to have a photo of you.

The OP...No where close to you Kaitlin...Her attitude stinks..She will never get anywhere in the modeling world..MHO.

David

ReallyRandy wrote:
As if some guy wanting some girl to get naked is news. Don't flatter yourself, all guys want all girls to get naked. Even if you're butt ugly.

That's as true here in the Midwest as anywhere!

David Holloway wrote:
Kaitlin is SMOKIN HOT!!!!!!! Definately a benefit to my portfolio to have a photo of you.

I gotta say that my shot of Kaitlin gets me tons of favorable comments everyplace I've ever posted it. And it's probably not JUST because she's topless and showing the camera those huge .. eyes of hers.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=623428

mjr.

Marcus J. Ranum wrote:

I gotta say that my shot of Kaitlin gets me tons of favorable comments everyplace I've ever posted it. And it's probably not JUST because she's topless and showing the camera those huge .. eyes of hers.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=623428

mjr.

I saw it on Kaitlins portfolio and think it's a great photo.

TXPhotog wrote:
Kaitlin!  You are better than this.  It's often said:  "Never mud wrestle with a pig.  You get covered with mud, and the pig enjoys it."

On another forum, and to another model, Mr. Jackson opined:


He was wrong.  At best, that model deserves an Honorable Mention for Most Credulous.  The OP in this case is as bad as I have ever seen.  She doesn't understand the Halo Effect (just because some good agencies are in a room doesn't mean that all "agencies" in the room are good).  She doesn't understand that any commercial agency a thousand miles from you that makes you pay for things is a scam.  She doesn't have the skill to see that her "well known photographer" takes pictures of models and actors that are, at best, undistinguished.  She doesn't understand that the agency in Austin is operating illegally, without a license, and that while they were in New Orleans they were famous for making their money by giving classes and selling pictures.  She doesn't understand that agencies don't have to directly receive money from a model to make money from picture sales.  She doesn't understand that when a company like Quickbooks, which is widely documented as a scam, sells you pictures and leaves, it's because they make their money by selling pictures and leaving.  She doesn't understand that people who do not work for magazines can claim to "submit" to them - and it's meaningless.

And she is impervious to anyone who tells her what she doesn't want to hear.  No manner of argument will make any difference to her.

To the OP:  I am fully aware that you will not understand or believe a word I say.  For your information, I have been in the model industry for a very, very long time.  I have been to well over two dozen model searches, including several Proscout events.  I understand very well how they work. I have owned and operated a real model agency that made its money by getting work for models.  I have seen scams like this over and over and over again, and I have seen that they work because people want to believe so badly that they will insist on ignoring anything counter to that belief.

Time to stick a fork in it.

Is this more of this coldness in forums that babylinda was opining about?

Kali Hyde wrote:
Some think I have more of a porn star face than a models. that kind of upsets me, I don't want to be in porn, or do anything involving nudity. I don't have a problem posing in lingerie or in swimsuits..but everyone I say that to is like " Well then why can't you just step up one level to nude? "

Kali, as a photog I can tell you it has nothing to do with your face. It's your number: you're 18. Thanks to Barely Legal, nude 18yos are all the rage and you're worth 2-3 times now, to your self and the photogs, what you'll be worth when you're 19 - and 10 times worth what you'll be worth when you're 20. This is the current state of adult commerce. The good news is that all these offers will go away when you're 20. Sure as shootin'. My advice is take one single offer from the most talented photog that offers and don't sign a release at the time. Make that part of the deal. Then you have the shoot in the bank and you can tear it up later, or cash it in.
I've talked to a lot of 20 yos who say, "Ok, I'm ready" - and they're saying it to an empty room. You still get offers, of course - but not like now when it's a feeding frenzy.  BD

Melissa Lynnette wrote:
She could have saved herself the carpal tunnel by not trying to whore for profile hits in the first place.

AAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAH

David Holloway wrote:

Kaitlin is SMOKIN HOT!!!!!!! Definately a benefit to my portfolio to have a photo of you.
David

I must agree. Kaitlin is smokin' hot!

Benday Dotz wrote:

Kali Hyde wrote:
Some think I have more of a porn star face than a model's.

I replied -
Kali, as a photog I can tell you it has nothing to do with your face. It's your number: you're 18. Thanks to Barely Legal, nude 18yos are all the rage....

Benday Dotz wrote:

Benday Dotz wrote:

Kali Hyde wrote:
Some think I have more of a porn star face than a model's.

I replied -
Kali, as a photog I can tell you it has nothing to do with your face. It's your number: you're 18. Thanks to Barely Legal, nude 18yos are all the rage....

I re-reply, regretting how that sounded. I've seen your photos and you have a lovely face. What I meant was that you're not getting the offers because you have the face of a porn star. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Now why can't I be that tactful on the first pass? I dunno, I guess that's why I shoot for a living and don't write    BD

Angela Crystal McAdrian wrote:
I don't think you have a "porn star" face. That's a mean thing for someone to say.

Only if you think being a "porn star" is a bad thing, which not all of us do.

David Holloway wrote:

Kaitlin is SMOKIN HOT!!!!!!! Definately a benefit to my portfolio to have a photo of you.

The OP...No where close to you Kaitlin...Her attitude stinks..She will never get anywhere in the modeling world..MHO.

David

*Blush* Thank you! This is exactly why I get good jobs...I'm not by any means the most attractive person out there...but I work pretty damn hard, I love constructive criticism, and I adore getting advice from people who know better. Sometimes, it ain't about being pretty...apparently when you're loaded enough to drop $600 on a convention and $200 on comp cards all at once, people don't tell you "no" enough.

ReallyRandy wrote:

I must agree. Kaitlin is smokin' hot!

Hehe...I love this stuff. There is nothing in the world better than unsolicited verbal fellation Thanks Randy You guys are all just too good to me

James Graham wrote:
Everyone wants me to be naked too!

TOTALLY SUCKS, man...

Or something...

Yeah.

ok.

Man, even James Graham is getting into this?!? Where are you, Kali? James, for the record, let us see you naked, please.

Kali Hyde wrote:
So lately it seems that a lot of people think that I would be more successful doing things that involve less clothing.

Here? On MM? Naaaaaaaaaw.... c'mon.

Kali Hyde wrote:
Or going for a more trashier look.

"...more trashier.." I like that.

Kali Hyde wrote:
Some think I have more of a porn star face than a models.

'Some' might be right. You shouldn't be so closed minded until you give it a shot btw. Hey it's cheaper than dating!

Kali Hyde wrote:
that kind of upsets me, I don't want to be in porn, or do anything involving nudity. It just isn't for me. I want to be a high fashion model.

Number 1.) You live in Pittsburg. Not what I would call a fashion mecca by any stretch of the imagination. Number 2.) Have you ever picked up a copy of Italian Vogue?

Here, this might help: www.newmodels.com

Kali Hyde wrote:
I know my portfolio isn't anything special right now, a lot of you have already gone over it with me. I'm working on it!

Again, you can work on it all day long. But you don't live in an area where you would do any 'fashion' modelling unless it was for some fellow MM photogs. TFP Yay!

Kali Hyde wrote:
It seems like there are a lot more job openings being offered to me in that line of work though..I don't know what to do.

There would be a lot more 'job' openings in 'that' area if you were a one eyed, three footed, blue skinned, Amazonian monk. Anybody can get naked and please some fruitcake with a computer, a credit card and the urge to feel good.

Kali Hyde wrote:
I don't have a problem posing in lingerie or in swimsuits..but everyone I say that to is like " Well then why can't you just step up one level to nude? "

Don't be surprised if this actually comes up on a real fashion shoot. (See the Italian Vogue thing above...)

Kali Hyde wrote:
Because I don't want to. I'm comfortable with my body. I just don't want to be portrayed like that. I've gotten offers for different magazines..Ones that I would have to be practically completely nude in, obviously.

Given your current situation and the fact that you are 5'8" (a tad low for fashion modelling), I would give it some serious consideration. Especially if it's paid.!

Kali Hyde wrote:
UGH.

Excactaly.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

Only if you think being a "porn star" is a bad thing, which not all of us do.

i love porn stars!
jesse jane is a sweetheart.