Michelle Easter wrote:
stay safe girls!!!!

Quit now, and never leave your house. It's the only way to be sure.

Brian Diaz wrote:
So the TV programmers know how to do their jobs.

They have increased the number of people watching the commercials by showing shock programming with no regard for reality.

Brian, do you know if it's sweeps week?  sounds like both cbs and nbc were featuring "beautiful girls in peril stories" tonight.

Brian Diaz wrote:
So the TV programmers know how to do their jobs.

They have increased the number of people watching the commercials by showing shock programming with no regard for reality.

What does that even mean? This was not a commercial. It was two, one hour shows on the modeling preditors. How do you disregard this?

Its a fact. It is true. It happens all the time. Believe it or not it will continue to happen. Models need to check ref's, again and again. Google, Ect. Escorts who are told the rules of the photog should be allowed. Even if they see the grounds and wait outside. Its creepy If an INTERNET photog does not allow any other contact thaen that of the model.

KM von Seidl wrote:

Brian, do you know if it's sweeps week?  sounds like both cbs and nbc were featuring "beautiful girls in peril stories" tonight.

Wasn't there something about that on Tyra?  I've never seen the show, but I think there was a thread about her being a hypocrite or something.

And yes, sweeps are in November...

Sara Danielle Hines wrote:

What does that even mean? This was not a commercial. It was two, one hour shows on the modeling preditors. How do you disregard this?

In 2 1-hour shows there are 36 minutes of commercials.

Koray wrote:
any model can come to a photo shoot with me with an escort. can put a gun in my head...an army can wait in the room...I'd still shoot the same crappy pictures...does that make you safe now?

- people are killed in parks but I still see them there...
- people die in traffic but I still see them drive...
- people still skydive...
- people still hook up with strangers...
- there are germs everywhere...

should I keep going or will you ever realise that being born is accepting all th risks already...

LOL!! So your saying its more likely for a model to attack a photog than vise versa?

Yes people take risks. If a model wants a tag along that does not disturb, so be it. Or have them wait outside. Whats the big deal? This is the internet and people are rapped killed and murderd every day from false people on it.
I read it every other day in the paper.

I did not want this to be anothe NO ESCORTS THREAD I was just making a point that people should realize why models are concerned.

Karen Cleveland wrote:
I once had the opportunity to sit in on a discussion with photographers, who were discussing, which  photographers actually  "allowed" models to bring escorts on shoots.  I was extremely disturbed to hear them say "allowed".  I did argue the point about safety for both model and photographer, but was quickly shotdown by photogs telling girls, as long as they check references they will always be safe.  In the end they agreed that if a model was adament about bringing an escort they would let them.

Crap. If I suddenly wanted to turn psycho on a model and her escort, I do believe they'd both be locked away before they knew what hit 'em.  Like I posted before, boyfriends can be psychos too ... maybe with all the psycho photographers out there, it's time for models to find a new line of work ... say, night security guard? Something safe.  Sigh *bangs head on desk*

/tim

PS  I have found that by not killing or injuring the model, I have more images for my port.

Sara Danielle Hines wrote:
I was just making a point that people should realize why models are concerned.

I was just making the point that people should realize that the pictures that show on the TV box do not accurately represent reality.

Sara Danielle Hines wrote:

LOL!! So your saying its more likely for a model to attack a photog than vise versa?

Yes people take risks. If a model wants a tag along that does not disturb, so be it. Or have them wait outside. Whats the big deal? This is the internet and people are rapped killed and murderd every day from false people on it.
I read it every other day in the paper.

I did not want this to be anothe NO ESCORTS THREAD I was just making a point that people should realize why models are concerned.

Why is it just that models are concerned?

Is the assumption you are working off that all models are female all photographers male?

Everyone should be concerned about a safe shoot.   Due dilligence is in order. 

I'm a photographer who doesn't want a bodyguard/escort around me, particularly if the point of the shoot is to attempt to create a sense of intimacy or trust.  Rather than working with a model that fears the situation and needs an escort, I'd personally prefer to work with a model who has checked out my references, premeet if needed and feels self-assured.

KM von Seidl wrote:

Why is it just that models are concerned?

Is the assumption you are working off that all models are female all photographers male?

Everyone should be concerned about a safe shoot.   Due dilligence is in order. 

I'm a photographer who doesn't want a bodyguard/escort around me, particularly if the point of the shoot is to attempt to create a sense of intimacy or trust.  Rather than working with a model that fears the situation and needs an escort, I'd personally prefer to work with a model who has checked out my references, premeet if needed and feels self-assured.

No I am not at all. I understand your preferance and would still have my guard up. There are many ways to have an escort. I think there should be a middle ground when working with web photogs. Thats all

Sara Danielle Hines wrote:
What does that even mean? This was not a commercial. It was two, one hour shows on the modeling preditors. How do you disregard this?

Its a fact. It is true. It happens all the time. Believe it or not it will continue to happen. Models need to check ref's, again and again. Google, Ect. Escorts who are told the rules of the photog should be allowed. Even if they see the grounds and wait outside. Its creepy If an INTERNET photog does not allow any other contact thaen that of the model.

It's a fact that it DOESN'T happen all the time.  When it does, it's a rare aberation.

You can do  two one hour shows on police who've stopped and raped and killed women.  Does that mean you are not to stop when you see the red lights in your rear view mirror?

You can do  two one hour shows on teachers (both male and female) who molest students.  Does that mean send you kids to school with an escort?

You can do  two one hour shows on mothers who drown, stab or shoot their kids.  Should the kids have bodyguards when around their mothers?

You can do  two one hour shows on ministers, priest and rabbis that molest or rape there parishioners.  Shall we always bring an escort to worship?

You can do  two one hour shows on doctors and dentist who molest and rape their patients.  Should you bring an escort to your root canal appointment?

We've all seen the news, but to make it sound like this is the norm and not a freak occurance is ridiculous.

Brian Diaz wrote:
So the TV programmers know how to do their jobs.

They have increased the number of people watching the commercials by showing shock programming with no regard for reality.

Yeah, and the probability of something like, say, getting killed in an auto accident is much higher than model murder by a photographer.  Obviously we should take precautions but TV uses sensationalism to manipulate us into being fearful.

Mia Salen wrote:
Someone in another thread said something about how models were more likely to die in a car crash on the way, but we take safeguards against that.  We wear seatbelts.  I use my turn signal.  Having someone nearby that I can call on if I need help is like that.  It's a safeguard I like to take.  I have shot without escorts and with one, but I've always felt more at ease having someone there.

I've also heard about the comparison to taking someone with you to the dentist or the doctors, but you're not nude there.  And if you're naked at the doctors, you're not presented sexually.

Should I take this to mean you've never had an anestetic or been to an OB/GYN?
Or are you so busy reacting that you forgot your last pelvic exam?

Oh, never mind...I'm going to bed...I shot five models today, and burying all those bodies has me plum tuckered out.

Stay scared girls!

Adler Photographic wrote:
As a photographer for over thirty years I do not understand this whole no escort thing. I can’t imagine telling Brooke Shields not to bring her mother Teri to one of our shoots. Or for that matter the numerous actresses and actors over the years whom arrived with an entourage including publicists, managers, assistants, and an assistant for the assistants and let us not forget the dog walker. Add in the crew including photographer assistants, stylist, make-up, hair and myself and we had a party.

It is crazy for a photographer to insist and claim an escort will ruin the shoot.
Any professional photographer should know how to handle any shooting situation and maintain control of the set. An area should be set a side for any guests that accompany the talent. Refreshments and comfortable seating is a must. Reading material, a television or music at the very least.

If the shoot requires privacy then close the set to necessary personnel only. Ask those that need not be in the shooting area to leave in a polite manner and ask them to wait in the green room (industry term for the waiting area) while the shooting proceeds.

When shooting a female model or actress I always had another female, usually a make-up artist present. I never had a shoot go bad because of a guest. I had discussions with managers and publicists, and then again they were the clients most of the time. Magazines had editors or writers present at most shoots.

I tell all of my models to bring someone with them and encourage them to NEVER go on a shoot without someone. I preach the “safety in numbers” motto and no job is worth taking a chance for any reason or with any photographer. PERIOD.

The only exception is when air travel and hotels are a factor. You cannot expect a photographer to pay for lodging and travel of your escort unless you are in such demand that they will pay. If it is a paying job it hopefully pays enough for you to bring someone. Check and see if the shoot is for a credible client or agency with references and all accommodations should be verified. Arrange your own transportation to and from the airport to be safe and make sure you have enough money to take a taxi back to the airport if you arrive and things don’t seem right. Always have a round trip ticket in your name and in your possession or a verified e-ticket. If other talent, make up, hair and other crew are also traveling, find out who they are and look to travel as a group if possible.

If a job sounds too good to be true, it probably is unless you know the people you are working with.

Most importantly, Always be safe. Do not be afraid to turn down a job if it does not feel right.

Kristin Anne wrote:

Yeah, and the probability of something like, say, getting killed in an auto accident is much higher than model murder by a photographer.  Obviously we should take precautions but TV uses sensationalism to manipulate us into being fearful.

Damn.  I'm liking you more and more every post I read of yours.

vanscottie wrote:
Dear OP

You are making a ABSOLUTE INCORRECT STATEMENT!

Models do NOT get attacked, raped, killed, disappear or have their lunch money taken "every day" that is a lie and whoever told you that is lying

It does happen and for you to say it does not makes you look silly. ~~~

In my case I have dealt with nothing but professional photographers. They have actually all became my friends. I talk and  actually hang with them on the regular, outside of modeling.  They have met my mom, my escort ( who by the way only came along because of my shoulder and the fact that I have fainted twice from the pain)

No photog I have worked with has had a problem with her coming. She helps out and give compliments the whole time. They have al become friends with her as well and  invite her to future shoots.
I believe most people on here mean well. I am just saying it’s a flag if someone does not want to shoot without a escort or an escort waiting outside.
There is no reason to deny that . In my opinion. If it were a High Model Agencies wanting a shoot I am sure they would not care if a family member sat close by or outside the room.
I know this has been beaten to death and did NOT intend  to start another thread on it. I just wanted people to read and see that there is a reasoning behind people(Photogs or Models) wanting someone to come along.

People are over analyzing this . Please don’t. Its simple and clear.

If you don’t want an escort the you may have to deal with not working with that model. Not a big deal, there are many who are willing.

Models there are many photogs who will allow escorts ( MIND YOU~ They have to be professional and help or just read in the corner with no disturbances)

Sara Danielle Hines wrote:

It does happen and for you to say it does not makes you look silly.

I did NOT say it doesnt happen, I clearly said it does not happen EVERY DAY or with enough frequency for the FBI to open its own bureau to deal with the crime wave of it. Learn how to read, we'll all be better off

MegaPixel wrote:
Sara, if your Mom looks like you, bring her along!  WOW!


fs

I got it from my momma LOL ;*)|

vanscottie wrote:
I did NOT say it doesnt happen, I clearly said it does not happen EVERY DAY or with enough frequency for the FBI to open its own bureau to deal with the crime wave of it. Learn how to read, we'll all be better off

K so I know how to read and I was not responing to you.

SOOOO Yes I realize every post that says what you say. I get it. It is a fluke. I also seem to agree with others that those flukes are reality. They happen. They are reality.
Contact any photog I have worked with they will tell you how I am. I am not a triper. I am cool. My mom who has met them after we have already been friends for months.
Dont get me wrong~ I know where you are coming from. I just think you need to take the time to see where we are coming from.
No need to fight, Debate, Ect/All points have a significant view.

Cant we all just get along ROTFLMAO!!!

vanscottie wrote:

I did NOT say it doesnt happen, I clearly said it does not happen EVERY DAY or with enough frequency for the FBI to open its own bureau to deal with the crime wave of it. Learn how to read, we'll all be better off

It happens enough to make a point of it. I'll bet it is safe to say that a model is taken advantage or assaulted in some way every day. As are all people. The point made is that this is a high risk business and every effort for safety should be made.

Whether the word gets out and the awareness is made from a forum or a TV show during sweeps, matters not, the important thing is to get out the message.

To trivialize or justify the horrible results as numbers of chance is useless and insensitive. It isn't necessary to take the otherside always. Yes debate is good but at times simply agreeing to further or promote a cause especially when it involves the safety and well being of others is best without argument for the sake of argument.

Sara Danielle Hines wrote:
Cant we all just get along ROTFLMAO!!!

You just posted a random TV non-reality show that has absolutely no bearing on real-life, one that pits "internet photographers" at odd with "internet models", and now you tell people to "get along"?

Yes, things do happen, well, anything happens.  I could have been killed today on my motorcycle.  I could have fallen on the bathtub taking a shower.  I could have a heart attack during sex.  Should I avoid all of them now?  And honestly, I think I am in a much more vulnerable position when a real-world model comes to shoot with me, they are all taller!  My experience tells me, though, that if I keep them alive, they'd buy me dinner...so just for food's sake, I'd keep them alive.