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Channel 5 CBC Right now. Models Murdered ;*(
So with all these NO ESCORT threads I thought I would post this forum. My dad is watching CBS right now and called to say to turn the channel . A special on how models have been Raped, Battered, and Murdered was on. It was called âExposedâ. There were many cases of missing models most not found. Ect. I watched part of it and got the point. Some are just stupid ass girls who get approached in the mall by guys and leave with them. To no surprise they are attacked. Others are working with well know photogs and some were rapped others are now dead. They even have some of the photogs that are convicted on this special. They have nothing of importance to say other than the fact that, YES they committed the crime. These Photogs were well know some not. Some models had worked with them MANY times before being attacked (that is with the well known ones). I am one to ALWAYS check references . Sometime double or quadruple. Since I injured my arm I have had my MOM drive me to all shoots and hang out with the photogs I work with. She is very cool and all my photog s have come to be her friend. When I asked each of them if it was okay for her to come along NONE of them have had a problem with it. Maybe I have just been lucky? I just think this whole NO ESCORT deal needs to stop. I understand that no professional photog wants a nucience around while they are working . That can be made perfectly clear before the shoot happens and if it gets out of hand you have the choice to dismiss them! I see no reason for a photog to completely dismiss a model because they want to bring an escort. With the way this world is today, I would think photogs would find respect in models who askâs for references , gives all phone # and addresses to a friend or family member of where they will be and also brings someone along with them. I donât understand how any photog could find annoyance in this! Question~ Say a model was to shoot with you and you denied an escort and said it was not professional ect. That real models donât do that, Yadda Yadda. Say she shot with you and all was good. Then say she had another photog contact her to shoot. Taking your advice she went willing with no escort. Then you open the paper the next day to see the Beautiful model you just shot weeks before DEAD or RAPPED or Whatever. Do you want that laying on your shoulders? I KNOW~ That was a VERY dramatic Iâm just trying to prove a point. Its not like it couldnât happen ya know. I am blessed to work with fantastic amazing photogs! Nov 12 06 01:20 am Link its not like it hasnt been SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! honestly, if any more gals are so stupid they need to hear it AGAIN from you maybe they deserve a fright i have fought off lots of men i have a damn f**in killer KICK and a good line in exit strategies experience is the best teacher. Nov 12 06 01:24 am Link thanks for posting this. I think we models get into a comfort zone after a while, and forget that there ARE psychos in our industry, and just cuz someone acts normal to one girl, doesnt mean he'll be like that with the next, if circumstances are different, or whatever. really, you shouldnt trust anyone. I dont necessarily believe in bringing an escort to every shoot, cuz sometimes its just a pain, but yea, you should always check refrences. xo stay safe girls!!!! Nov 12 06 01:25 am Link sigh. Well if the other thread didn't send OGR over, this one certainly would have. Nov 12 06 01:26 am Link Michelle Easter wrote: Quit now, and never leave your house. It's the only way to be sure. Nov 12 06 01:27 am Link I know by welcoming escorts, I increase the number of models I can and do shoot with. Works very well in my favor as well as the new models. Nov 12 06 01:28 am Link quite poor OGR im actually going to visualise Amercia teaching young gals that you can tell when somethings wrong leave you have value as a person you do not need strangers to oggle you to tell you this you have value as a sexual person you do not need to flaunt yourself sexually ad infinitum to enjoy this you have value as a feminine person you dont have to take crap from men you have value as an adult person and should learn to take care of yourslef you need not take offence at others seeing them as a threat you need not act like a bitch do not expect others to do that either and if they do - so what protect yourself without paranoia you can tell ...when somethings wrong ....leave you have legs. forget the sleazy pictures that will shock mom and dad just use them to kick him or RUN ;-) Nov 12 06 01:33 am Link I once had the opportunity to sit in on a discussion with photographers, who were discussing, which photographers actually "allowed" models to bring escorts on shoots. I was extremely disturbed to hear them say "allowed". I did argue the point about safety for both model and photographer, but was quickly shotdown by photogs telling girls, as long as they check references they will always be safe. In the end they agreed that if a model was adament about bringing an escort they would let them. Nov 12 06 01:35 am Link So the TV programmers know how to do their jobs. They have increased the number of people watching the commercials by showing shock programming with no regard for reality. Nov 12 06 01:42 am Link Brian Diaz wrote: Brian, do you know if it's sweeps week? sounds like both cbs and nbc were featuring "beautiful girls in peril stories" tonight. Nov 12 06 01:45 am Link any model can come to a photo shoot with me with an escort. can put a gun in my head...an army can wait in the room...I'd still shoot the same crappy pictures...does that make you safe now? - people are killed in parks but I still see them there... - people die in traffic but I still see them drive... - people still skydive... - people still hook up with strangers... - there are germs everywhere... should I keep going or will you ever realise that being born is accepting all th risks already... Nov 12 06 01:48 am Link Brian Diaz wrote: What does that even mean? This was not a commercial. It was two, one hour shows on the modeling preditors. How do you disregard this? Nov 12 06 01:49 am Link KM von Seidl wrote: Wasn't there something about that on Tyra? I've never seen the show, but I think there was a thread about her being a hypocrite or something. Nov 12 06 01:50 am Link Someone in another thread said something about how models were more likely to die in a car crash on the way, but we take safeguards against that. We wear seatbelts. I use my turn signal. Having someone nearby that I can call on if I need help is like that. It's a safeguard I like to take. I have shot without escorts and with one, but I've always felt more at ease having someone there. I've also heard about the comparison to taking someone with you to the dentist or the doctors, but you're not nude there. And if you're naked at the doctors, you're not presented sexually. Nov 12 06 01:51 am Link Sara Danielle Hines wrote: In 2 1-hour shows there are 36 minutes of commercials. Nov 12 06 01:51 am Link I never post in this kinds of escort arguments....however cuz I'm home and stuff I'll just give my 2 cents then duck. I kinda have a halfway policy where I try to preserve the comfort of the model while not freaking myself out by having onlookers: ***ESCORT POLICY*** I'm cool with escorts. They are welcome to come and meet me, see where we'll be shooting, and chat a bit. HOWEVER once the shoot starts they must leave the space and come back when the shoot is over. Over the years I have found this is the only way it works for me and my image making process. for what it's worth. Nov 12 06 01:54 am Link Koray wrote: LOL!! So your saying its more likely for a model to attack a photog than vise versa? Nov 12 06 01:55 am Link Karen Cleveland wrote: Crap. If I suddenly wanted to turn psycho on a model and her escort, I do believe they'd both be locked away before they knew what hit 'em. Like I posted before, boyfriends can be psychos too ... maybe with all the psycho photographers out there, it's time for models to find a new line of work ... say, night security guard? Something safe. Sigh *bangs head on desk* Nov 12 06 01:59 am Link I live in Brooklyn and can be attacked by thousands of rodents any time...but I'm still walking alone...and I see people put 2 cats and extra fence in that very corner that I can be attacked...but all I know is the things that may attack me or any other cheese or meat is still there...this is life... so be it... Nov 12 06 02:01 am Link Sara Danielle Hines wrote: I was just making the point that people should realize that the pictures that show on the TV box do not accurately represent reality. Nov 12 06 02:02 am Link Sara Danielle Hines wrote: Why is it just that models are concerned? Nov 12 06 02:02 am Link Our escort policy -------------------------- Models under 18 absolutely must have a parent or legal guardian escort them and remain with them while we shoot. There are some exceptions: school photographs, sporting events, and such, a parent would not be expected to be present. In other shots all models under 18 are required to have a parent or legal guardian present. I will not shoot any nudity or suggestive photography of anyone under the age of 18. Escorts are optional for 18 or over models, but are certainly welcomed and encouraged, especially if they bring cookies. However, please discuss the importance of your 'moment' with whomever escorts you to your shoot so that he or she doesn't interfere with the actual shoot, itself. No drama king or queen escorts, please. No unsupportive and jealous boyfriend/significant others, please. I'm very sorry, but I won't shoot with models who are escorted by unprofessional and/or non-supportive escorts. It's very important that they (your escort) understand that this if your moment to shine. Please choose your escorts wisely. If you feel you need protection, please bring someone who will protect you (I have been known to get agressive and throw cookies at models). If you need an escort for encouragement or to make you feel more relaxed, then please feel free to bring along someone who's willing to offer encouragement and such. Just like finding the 'right' model for the right job, please have the right 'escort' for photoshoot, if you feel you need to have one. If you feel you need an escort, and cannot find one, we will be happy to provide a female associate to help you during the shot, however on TFP shots you will be required to pay her for her time ($15/hour) and give her a couple cookies. Nov 12 06 02:02 am Link KM von Seidl wrote: No I am not at all. I understand your preferance and would still have my guard up. There are many ways to have an escort. I think there should be a middle ground when working with web photogs. Thats all Nov 12 06 02:07 am Link As a photographer for over thirty years I do not understand this whole no escort thing. I canât imagine telling Brooke Shields not to bring her mother Teri to one of our shoots. Or for that matter the numerous actresses and actors over the years whom arrived with an entourage including publicists, managers, assistants, and an assistant for the assistants and let us not forget the dog walker. Add in the crew including photographer assistants, stylist, make-up, hair and myself and we had a party. It is crazy for a photographer to insist and claim an escort will ruin the shoot. Any professional photographer should know how to handle any shooting situation and maintain control of the set. An area should be set a side for any guests that accompany the talent. Refreshments and comfortable seating is a must. Reading material, a television or music at the very least. If the shoot requires privacy then close the set to necessary personnel only. Ask those that need not be in the shooting area to leave in a polite manner and ask them to wait in the green room (industry term for the waiting area) while the shooting proceeds. When shooting a female model or actress I always had another female, usually a make-up artist present. I never had a shoot go bad because of a guest. I had discussions with managers and publicists, and then again they were the clients most of the time. Magazines had editors or writers present at most shoots. I tell all of my models to bring someone with them and encourage them to NEVER go on a shoot without someone. I preach the âsafety in numbersâ motto and no job is worth taking a chance for any reason or with any photographer. PERIOD. The only exception is when air travel and hotels are a factor. You cannot expect a photographer to pay for lodging and travel of your escort unless you are in such demand that they will pay. If it is a paying job it hopefully pays enough for you to bring someone. Check and see if the shoot is for a credible client or agency with references and all accommodations should be verified. Arrange your own transportation to and from the airport to be safe and make sure you have enough money to take a taxi back to the airport if you arrive and things donât seem right. Always have a round trip ticket in your name and in your possession or a verified e-ticket. If other talent, make up, hair and other crew are also traveling, find out who they are and look to travel as a group if possible. If a job sounds too good to be true, it probably is unless you know the people you are working with. Most importantly, Always be safe. Do not be afraid to turn down a job if it does not feel right. Nov 12 06 02:21 am Link Sara Danielle Hines wrote: It's a fact that it DOESN'T happen all the time. When it does, it's a rare aberation. Nov 12 06 02:30 am Link Honestly, if more girls (notice I said girls) would learn how to DISCERN, yes, JUDGE for theirselves and listen to their instincts, they may avoid this kind of horrid outcome. DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, people! Which means... do some kind of background check, make a call, talk to others in the industry ...etc...BEFORE you show up in an unknown area, drop your drawners and expect things to be SAFE without harm. Have some common sense and handle yourself.... tell someone where you're going...have someone drop you off, insist on an escort, or insist at the VERY least they meet one when you get dropped off. OH, and if you're really smart..HIRE a reputable photographer. Nov 12 06 02:31 am Link Brian Diaz wrote: Yeah, and the probability of something like, say, getting killed in an auto accident is much higher than model murder by a photographer. Obviously we should take precautions but TV uses sensationalism to manipulate us into being fearful. Nov 12 06 02:33 am Link Mia Salen wrote: Should I take this to mean you've never had an anestetic or been to an OB/GYN? Nov 12 06 02:33 am Link I agree. If the model is a jerk, and she brings a jerk...the photographer can just tell them to hit the road. Dealing with drama is a part of the business...and finding better models and non-flakes is ALWAYS a gamble. If a photographer insists on no escourts, then you have your answer, and move on to someone else that doesn't have that stipulation..no biggie. To each their own on all sides. Adler Photographic wrote: Nov 12 06 02:34 am Link Kristin Anne wrote: Damn. I'm liking you more and more every post I read of yours. Nov 12 06 02:42 am Link It was just a point. Yes it does happen. Not just on 36 min commercial breaks. How often... who knows, but it does. Thats all. Im not trying to satart a war in here. You can take what I wrote absorbe it or just leave it. Nov 12 06 02:52 am Link Dear OP You are making a ABSOLUTE INCORRECT STATEMENT! Models do NOT get attacked, raped, killed, disappear or have their lunch money taken "every day" that is a lie and whoever told you that is lying Nov 12 06 02:55 am Link Escorts are always welcomed with me, they just have to stay outside or go and get a cup of coffee then return to pick up the model. I've never had a model bring a female escort, but I have had a lot of models bring a "male friend"..Then, during the shoot, I noticed that the models are really not relaxed..sorta nervous, some even keep looking at the male escort to check approval of a certain pose..One time I had a model that I was going to send home in the first 15 minutes..She looked stiff, her face said uncomfortable. Then her male escort decided to go buy some cigarettes...and "WOW" she did a 180. Arched her back more, she would breath in and push her chest out..He stayed outside smoking while we shot the images. We ended up shooting for three hours..Im sure he had something to do with it. At a hundred dollars an hour, we both benefitted from him absence. Nov 12 06 02:57 am Link vanscottie wrote: It does happen and for you to say it does not makes you look silly. ~~~ Nov 12 06 03:32 am Link Sara, if your Mom looks like you, bring her along! WOW! fs Nov 12 06 03:36 am Link Sara Danielle Hines wrote: I did NOT say it doesnt happen, I clearly said it does not happen EVERY DAY or with enough frequency for the FBI to open its own bureau to deal with the crime wave of it. Learn how to read, we'll all be better off Nov 12 06 03:42 am Link MegaPixel wrote: I got it from my momma LOL ;*)| Nov 12 06 03:42 am Link vanscottie wrote: K so I know how to read and I was not responing to you. Nov 12 06 03:53 am Link vanscottie wrote: It happens enough to make a point of it. I'll bet it is safe to say that a model is taken advantage or assaulted in some way every day. As are all people. The point made is that this is a high risk business and every effort for safety should be made. Nov 12 06 04:02 am Link Sara Danielle Hines wrote: You just posted a random TV non-reality show that has absolutely no bearing on real-life, one that pits "internet photographers" at odd with "internet models", and now you tell people to "get along"? Nov 12 06 04:05 am Link |