Rossi Photography wrote:
Yep. And I too keep my friend list hidden. I'm getting ready to go nap, but I'll post more on this tomorrow...

Oh, and there is a way to view someone's friend list, even with it being hidden by the coding. If you want to know how to do it, let me know.

I wanna!

Annique Delphine wrote:
that's just dumb. Why would the model not just shoot with both of you? And why would a photographer diss you like that?? people are stupid..what's with the dog marking everywhere? Are model like fire hydrants?????

photographer a spreads rumor to model about photographer b, model believes rumor, cancels photographer b shoot and wont have anything to do with him and works for photographer a instead.
why would a photographer do this? Why do people steal other girls boyfriends away and vic versa...They want them and will do what it takes to make sure they get them.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

I wanna!

it's easy...just click the view friends link from someone else's page... then replace their number in the url, with the other person's number

Iris Swope wrote:

it's easy...just click the view friends link from someone else's page... then replace their number in the url, with the other person's number

that just enables you to see the profile of the person whose number you just put in,no?

Shaun Lang wrote:
I've shot a few models here on MM and have never had a problem with this.  First, I always meet with the model first which gives us the opportunity to talk and get a feel for each others styles.  I even bring tear sheets (examples from magazines, other photo shoots, etc.) to come up with some ideas and get the creative juices flowing.  Often we will shoot somewhere close for five minutes...I send the model three of the best shots.  If she/he likes what they see we move forward...you establish A: You're serious. B: You're trustworthy C. Your talented.  This entire process takes between 30min and an hour.  Why would anyone not want to shoot with you?  Keep shooting:)

Some people are very good liars.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

photographer a spreads rumor to model about photographer b, model believes rumor, cancels photographer b shoot and wont have anything to do with him and works for photographer a instead.
why would a photographer do this? Why do people steal other girls boyfriends away and vic versa...They want them and will do what it takes to make sure they get them.

If a model would believe what someone else tells them about me instead of what they see about me with their own eyes or hear with their own ears I'm not sure that I want to shoot with them. Before anyone says anything I know all about references, and i agree with getting references about someone you don't know, but I also think that a model (and photographer) should go with their gut instinct after conversingwith the other person.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

Some people are very good liars.

Yes they are, but you should trust yourself. If your inner voice is saying something that contradicts the lie then believe yourself.

Mark Reese Photography wrote:

If a model would believe what someone else tells them about me instead of what they see about me with their own eyes or hear with their own ears I'm not sure that I want to shoot with them. Before anyone says anything I know all about references, and i agree with getting references about someone you don't know, but I also think that a model (and photographer) should go with their gut instinct after conversingwith the other person.

I agree with all that but the references. Those are no good to me.Maybe it is because I have been in the position of hiring people for the kitchens ive worked in.But think about it,who is gonna give a bad reference when you ask for references?

Mark Reese Photography wrote:

Yes they are, but you should trust yourself. If your inner voice is saying something that contradicts the lie then believe yourself.

oh I believe in myself.Confidence is no issue for me. Just thought I would see if this happened to anyone else.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

Some people are very good liars.

Shaun Lang wrote:
Your work doesn't lie.

S

True. The only way to see why their lies worked was to get inside the models head I guess.  I talked to a couple after the fact ,disproved the lies and they really felt bad.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:
Just wondering if any photographers have experienced model sharking through MM, Myspace,OMP,etc

Model sharking= Photographer sees a model on your friends list and/or knows she wants/plans to work with you. Photographer contacts her trash talking you hoping to get her to pose for him and not for you. Model cancels shoots with you and works with the other guy.

I had a couple photographers do this with my myspace account a couple years back and even proved it.

I eventually had to get some coding from myspace to add to my profile so my friends list was only visible to me.

I believe it happens to me but I don't have proof.  Lately I had some shoots cancelled by the model maybe to shoot with another photographer.  When a photographer does this to another photographer it only shows how insecure he/she is.  The internet (OMP, MM, Musecube, etc) is the worst place to get reliable models.  I say there are less than 10% of the models who are serious about modelling, professional and commited.

BeccaAnnPhotoGal wrote:
Rumors can ruin jobs for a lot of people...no matter if the rumor is true or not, it can cause harm to those involved.

That's why there are slander and defamation laws.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

oh I believe in myself.Confidence is no issue for me. Just thought I would see if this happened to anyone else.

I didn't say 'believe in' I said trust as in trust your instincts about someone.

Mark Reese Photography wrote:

I didn't say 'believe in' I said trust as in trust your instincts about someone.

Misread, 2:30 amitis,lol

Annique Delphine wrote:
that's just dumb. Why would the model not just shoot with both of you? And why would a photographer diss you like that?? people are stupid..what's with the dog marking everywhere? Are model like fire hydrants?????

I've had a photographer do this before.  I didn't really pay attention, but I'm sure other girls will.

waynesglamgirls wrote:

That's why there are slander and defamation laws.

So very true.

BeccaNDSouth wrote:

So very true.

I guess i'm weird, I listen to what people say about other people but reserve judgement until I meet the other person

Mark Reese Photography wrote:

I guess i'm weird, I listen to what people say about other people but reserve judgement until I meet the other person

It all depends with me...I guess it depends on what is being said about the person. If it is something completely idiotic being said about the person, I tend to shake it off. I don't like to judge people strictly on hear-say. I wait until I have spoken to the person in question myself, and then decide for myself.

Rumors are evil...plain and simple.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:

I wanna!

Okay, I'll shoot you a message.

Glamour Boulevard wrote:
Just wondering if any photographers have experienced model sharking through MM, Myspace,OMP,etc

Model sharking= Photographer sees a model on your friends list and/or knows she wants/plans to work with you. Photographer contacts her trash talking you hoping to get her to pose for him and not for you. Model cancels shoots with you and works with the other guy.

I had a couple photographers do this with my myspace account a couple years back and even proved it.

I eventually had to get some coding from myspace to add to my profile so my friends list was only visible to me.

It hasn't happened to me in Myspace but it has happened here.
A popular Conneticut model contacted me about shooting, we had several MM mail and email exchanges about schedulling the shoot. Suddenly she quit talking to me.
I can't prove it but I know this local photographer who shoots with her on a regular basis and who I had a falling out with, trash talk to her about me and caused her to quit talking to me.

But you know what?   I just go...NEXT!

Glamour Boulevard wrote:
Just wondering if any photographers have experienced model sharking through MM, Myspace,OMP,etc

Model sharking= Photographer sees a model on your friends list and/or knows she wants/plans to work with you. Photographer contacts her trash talking you hoping to get her to pose for him and not for you. Model cancels shoots with you and works with the other guy.

I had a couple photographers do this with my myspace account a couple years back and even proved it.

I eventually had to get some coding from myspace to add to my profile so my friends list was only visible to me.

lol it has happen to me, but the models never cancel on me from those guys cause they see my work and they know i am better than those guys bashing me

Glamour Boulevard wrote:
Just wondering if any photographers have experienced model sharking through MM, Myspace,OMP,etc

Model sharking= Photographer sees a model on your friends list and/or knows she wants/plans to work with you. Photographer contacts her trash talking you hoping to get her to pose for him and not for you. Model cancels shoots with you and works with the other guy.

I had a couple photographers do this with my myspace account a couple years back and even proved it.

I eventually had to get some coding from myspace to add to my profile so my friends list was only visible to me.

Any model that would cancel a shoot because another photographer changed her mind by spreading a rumor isn't worth the time it would take to defend the rumor. Incredibly immature in every aspect but it sounds very myspace. Sometimes I just have to shake my head...

JordanDanielle wrote:
ive had that happen to me so many times i cant even count
ive never heard so much sht talking as when i started modeling
i dont think ive ever spoken to a photographer who hasnt talked sht about every other photog that comes up in conversation
this isnt like just a few
its every one
it actually makes me lose respect for the sht talking photog...
its also annoying as hell
SO DONT DO IT!

It's not just a few? It's every one? I highly doubt that every photographer bashes other photographers. If they are you're dealing with very unprofessional photographers. I've never bashed another photographer even if I've been less than awed by their work. I also don't think other photographers using common models are bashing me. Then again...how would I know? Oh God...which one of you pieces of shit are talking crap about me?