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how the heck do you get models to PAY on this site
So I have noticed that models always say they are really impressed with my work, but they quickly lose interest when they discover I do not shoot free tests (or tfp). I am wondering if I am wasting my days informing models on this site of my upcoming shoots in various cities, and explaining why they need professional pictures or something other than a shot of them holding their shirt up in a bathroom mirror. Can someone please shed some light on my non profitable problem? Cully Wright [cwright]Photography Nov 04 06 12:30 am Link Marry her... then she will be paiyng for it for the rest of her life. Nov 04 06 12:33 am Link MM isn't really a good source of paid testing. If you have access to agency models, that's the way to go. We're a bunch of TFP addict losers.  Nov 04 06 12:33 am Link Most models on this site know if you wont shoot them for free someone else will. And most know they donât need professional images to get into an agency. So basically yea. There are a few far and between naive ones. But this is Mayhem! Nov 04 06 12:36 am Link ya don''t. Nov 04 06 12:36 am Link If you bother to look around, you will notice hundreds of professional and serious amatuer photographers on this site. They are here, like most of the models are, to network and collaborate to better their skills and their portfolio. No matter how good you may be you have nothing to offer that is beyond this. That is what this site is for. Not for either models or photographers to make money off of each other. You need to look elsewhere for those oportunities. peace, bd Nov 04 06 12:37 am Link Shyly wrote: One of the most honest post I've seen!!! jh Nov 04 06 12:37 am Link Generally speaking (enter Sweeping Generality) we photographers and models here cannot afford each other. This is a great site to arrange testing, TFCD, TFP, what have you. But my ideal paying clients would be art directors, magazines, ad agencies, model agencies - folks with deep pockets who can fund me, my MUA, my prop stylist, my wardrobe stylist, my catered lunch, taxi fare, eqiupment rental and my model. There are, I'm sure, notable exceptions and deviations, and they are all welcome to self-identify below. Nov 04 06 12:37 am Link Shyly wrote: yep yep... MM is a great place for TFP, but not such a great place for us photogs to make a dollar. Nov 04 06 12:38 am Link If your business model is based primarily on getting models to pay you, you're destined to be broke and miserable. Clients generate real income. Models, whether agency or elsewhere, will at best provide beer money, at least compared to what clients will generate. So, spend the time finding real, paying clients and shoot models for fun. Nov 04 06 12:39 am Link Nov 04 06 12:40 am Link What, you don't get paid?! Nov 04 06 12:40 am Link Well, thanks everyone. I do work with agencies, but thought that I would broaden my network on this site. But I do not shoot free tests (which I state clearly in my profile), so I guess what I was getting at I that if a model contacts me saying they want to shoot with me then I have to assume that they have in fact read my profile, looked at my pictures and then responded to inquire about my prices. Silly me, thinking that if I write it out, people will understand. Thanks for your responses MM... Nov 04 06 12:43 am Link JM Dean wrote: I disagree - to be marketed by an agency to clients top notch professional shots are required. jh Nov 04 06 12:44 am Link This is a whole different beast than what you might be used to. There are ways to make money. Just not in the traditional way. Think outside the box if you want to make money here. Nov 04 06 12:45 am Link C Wright Photography wrote: Now their supposed to read too lol. Nov 04 06 12:46 am Link Once again... looking to models as your client base for paying work is a dead end and will never amount to a career. You HIRE models to shoot for real clients that will pay you both. Nov 04 06 12:46 am Link well...it is hard enought to get a model to show up or even reply to a paid shoot...none the less pay us...I emailed last week to 20 models about a paying assignment and only 1 replied and was not interested...needless to say I have not done the shoot and still emailing more..even post it with no replies... but, there are a few willing to invest into a quality portfolio knowing that it will bring them more work if they have a better looking portfolio that looks professional...and even I have gotten paid shoots from models on this site and even from Myspace. there is always an inteligent model out there (not naive) Believe in your work...state your grounds. XP Nov 04 06 12:47 am Link john hill wrote: I agree, after they are signed only. Nov 04 06 12:47 am Link brad miller wrote: got it. thanks for your help. Have a great night. Nov 04 06 12:48 am Link brad miller wrote: Ding Ding Ding! Listen to this man. Nov 04 06 12:48 am Link  Nov 04 06 12:48 am Link Maybe because I am in Los Angeles its different for me. In assisting models develop a body of work I gather new faces, and these are the first that I draw upon when paid work comes my way. New models get some of their first paid gigs, I get new faces for gigs at a fair price (far below calling an agency) its win / win. Now that is not to say flakes do not abound, but after some time you learn how to flush these out with ease. Outside of LA / New York any big city not sure MM will do much good ?? If your selling your ability as a photographer , hard to do on a site that allows anyone sign up for free. FA Nov 04 06 12:50 am Link Afablb wrote: Thanks again. I do rely mostly on paid shoots from agencies and also local fashion designers... MM is far from being my sole source of income, I guess in the begining I should have rephrased my statement to say "I tend to not shoot free tests, is there any chance on MM that I can continue to book paying jobs" Nov 04 06 12:56 am Link JM Dean wrote: Agencies don't want to see nudes,swimwear or galmour shots when considering someone to represent.They want representative photography. jh Nov 04 06 01:01 am Link john hill wrote: Or Polaroidâs Nov 04 06 01:04 am Link Eikona wrote: mmhmm deep wonderful pockets Nov 04 06 01:15 am Link i do have to say.. polaroids are an exception, but ive talked to models on this site and they dont know what the heck I am talking about when I talk about digitals or polaroids... they would rather treat this site like an extention to their myspace page... Nov 04 06 01:15 am Link C Wright Photography wrote: Thatâs basically what it is. Itâs not a professional modeling site. Itâs just like OMP and the others. Except most models on here are brighter than the ones on OMP Nov 04 06 01:20 am Link steal their wallets Nov 04 06 01:21 am Link JM Dean wrote: Actually I've gotten a couple of accounts off of my polaroid image transfer shot. Nov 04 06 01:27 am Link C Wright Photography wrote: WeLL tHen JUsT saY you'LL maKe tHEm a StaR! Nov 04 06 01:29 am Link One other note Cully. Most models on this site are looking to get paid by photographers. Kinda screwed up but this is Mayhem Itâs really been discussed a few hundred times before on this site. Models wanting to be paid and photographers wanting to be paid. Itâs a no win battle so thatâs why most of us just shoot for the fun of it. **edit** Now that I think about it, it seems the only ones getting paid on this site are the MUA's lol. Nov 04 06 01:30 am Link Dude, I think there's a thread about you! https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=87681 I don't know if it's really about you, but similar.... Nov 04 06 01:30 am Link thats a hard one Nov 04 06 01:50 am Link Iris Swope wrote: I dont think this is similar to me at all... did you read my threads and what I wrote? I value the fact that I have integrity in both my business and personal life. I am very clear about my prices and if a model is interested in working with me I let them know up front what the cost to them will be. Thanks for the example and yes it is unfortunate for that model to have had to deal with someone trying to take advantage of her. Hope you have a great night. CW Nov 04 06 01:57 am Link I think it's like sex, guys are the ones that pay for it, not girls...because girls can get it anytime they want. Anyone attractive enough to be a model is not going to have any trouble finding someone to shoot them for free. Your work is nice enough but honestly, i know super-amazing-fantabulous photographers that do free tests, i'm kinda suprised that you're expecting models to pay you. Nov 04 06 02:34 am Link Thats it, Ima Go to school to be uh MUA! Nov 04 06 02:48 am Link ya get what you pay for Nov 04 06 02:48 am Link I think models get paid here tho.. one way street. Nov 04 06 02:54 am Link |
