pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

why not? I'm only 17.

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

Because i've worked with at least 5 models from ages 14-17 and had no problems b/c the parents came to the shoot, signed the model release and that was that. Not a single hitch.

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Sooner or later there will always be a hitch.

Thats why i'm taking care of it in advance....BEFORE we shoot. Smart huh? ;-)

You will only be 17 for a short while.  You will be older than that for a LONG time. 

Be in no hurry to grow up.

Enjoy your youth.

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

??? maybe because not all teen models and moms are like that

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

I think its a parody thread of this:

https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=83703

Farenell Photography wrote:

I think its a parody thread of this:

https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=83703

I'd have to say these two posts are only generally related, not much good advice so far. Well James at least made some sense.

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

Why not?  New models/young actresses need portfolios and headshots, too!
S

pw-gii photographics wrote:
why not? I'm only 17.

You will only be 17 for a short while.  You will be older than that for a LONG time. 

Be in no hurry to grow up.

Enjoy your youth.

How does me wanting to model mean that I'm in a hurry to grow up?

Sagacity Studios wrote:
Mom thinks that ALL the photographers on MM are not legit . . .

Just forget it, man. You can't reason with insanity. You ever tried to talk some sense into
a drunk? Same thing, but this one won't sober up.

Drop back ten and punt.

Hadyn Lassiter wrote:
perhaps showing mom your type of work alone will settle her down? For whatever reason photographers have picked up a bum rap on ethics. It suks, but as long as its not Brooke Shields mom your good to go.

Good advice Hadyn. The whole thing about the editing the photos on naked chicks just kills me. I've worked with alot of models some who shoot nude. I could shoot those anytime i wanted. Couldn't anyone with a camera and zoom lens on the street take a photo of her daughter and edit it however they wanted?

Chip Morton wrote:

Just forget it, man. You can't reason with insanity. You ever tried to talk some sense into
a drunk? Same thing, but this one won't sober up.

Drop back ten and punt.

LOL! Think its that bad huh? Where is the special teams coach when you need him?

Nora_Neko wrote:

pw-gii photographics wrote:
why not? I'm only 17.

You will only be 17 for a short while.  You will be older than that for a LONG time. 

Be in no hurry to grow up.

Enjoy your youth.

How does me wanting to model mean that I'm in a hurry to grow up?

I just gave you some good advice.  You can listen or not as you choose.  But print this out and put it in an envelope 'to be opened when I turn 30' and open it when you do and then decide.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't want to model - far from that!  But give yourself a few years.

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

It behooves me....


See trap
Set around trap
Leave cheese in trap (don't look at cheese, don't taste cheese, don't smell cheese, don't photog cheese)
Keep walking
Ignore the cheese........


:-)~

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

Better skin, less set in their ways, capable of more range than the "older models."

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

hey , look at my port.  actually 12-17 i generally dont work with.

Searcher wrote:
Better skin, less set in their ways, capable of more range than the "older models."

? show me a younger model that can do what e-string or wind can do..

Sagacity Studios wrote:
Got a shoot with a model thats 17. Its a rocker/punk themed shoot, no nudity nothing implied, nothing racy. Mom thinks that ALL the photographers on MM are not legit (her moms actual words according to the model) & is worried i'm gonna put her daughters face on a naked woman's body. #1. I don't shoot nudes and #2. i'm not that good with photoshop....LOL. So I told the model i'd send the mother by e-mail a model/photo release form, for the mother to review and call me with any questions. Does anybody have a stardard "protective mother model release" all typed up already that I might be able to borrow some of the legal language from? Something that says legally that i'm not going to put her daughters face on a playboy bunnys body and sell them to her father on accident?

There is no release which will help with this situation. Wish the mother a nice day and move on. Not all parents are totally sane and more than one mother has ruined a daughter's career.

lotusphoto wrote:
? show me a younger model that can do what e-string or wind can do..

Legally?

pw-gii photographics wrote:

Nora_Neko wrote:

pw-gii photographics wrote:
why not? I'm only 17.

You will only be 17 for a short while.  You will be older than that for a LONG time. 

Be in no hurry to grow up.

Enjoy your youth.

How does me wanting to model mean that I'm in a hurry to grow up?

I just gave you some good advice.  You can listen or not as you choose.  But print this out and put it in an envelope 'to be opened when I turn 30' and open it when you do and then decide.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't want to model - far from that!  But give yourself a few years.

Im sorry but that sounds a little odd. I, for one, am not in a hurry to grow up, but love the art and expression in modeling. In your opinion, its "good advice", it really depends on how open you are to the idea of 'under-age' modeling. Why are you suggesting to wait until your 30 to decide such a thing? I am enjoying my youth, and why not celebrate it by capturing it in a photograph?

Mark Sebastian wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with shooting underage girls as long as it's not sexual. It's a legitimate question pertaining to photography. So why put the OP in a position of defending and explaining himself rather than being productive?

you can run into trouble with models of any age if you're not careful. He's just asking for advice on how to keep a mother happy.

Wow... reading comprehension *is* a lost art isn't it?

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

Well those of us who shoot primarily commercial fashion usually work with girls as young as 13 in some cases. The average age of a model in fashion is about 15.

James Jackson wrote:
Wow... reading comprehension *is* a lost art isn't it?

i'll bet you think this post is about you.

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

Nora_Neko wrote:
why not? I'm only 17.

Bingo

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Why do any of you even CONSIDER working with models that young?

Sagacity Studios wrote:
Because i've worked with at least 5 models from ages 14-17 and had no problems b/c the parents came to the shoot, signed the model release and that was that. Not a single hitch.

Next weekend, I'm shooting with 4 models that were in the "Style Week" fashion show that I shot on Oct. 7th in Seattle. Two of them are well under 18 and thier moms will be there during the shoot. I'm looking forward to seeing them all again.

Mark Sebastian wrote:
It's a legitimate question pertaining to photography. So why put the OP in a position of defending and explaining himself rather than being productive?

you can run into trouble with models of any age if you're not careful. He's just asking for advice on how to keep a mother happy.

Just because you don't prefer to do "deal with it", it doesn't mean it's wrong.

FINALLY someone understands. Just trying to get some advice, thats all i'm after. Insane mom i'm dealing with? Maybe, maybe not, we don't know her history or that of the girl. Insane MMer's blathering this and that and not offering any help when its asked...definitly.

lotusphoto wrote:
? show me a younger model that can do what e-string or wind can do..

Searcher wrote:
Legally?

no kidding. I don't even want to know.

Sagacity Studios wrote:
Insane MMer's blathering this and that and not offering any help when its asked...definitly.

Woohoo!

Sagacity Studios wrote:
Does anybody have a stardard "protective mother model release" all typed up already that I might be able to borrow some of the legal language from? Something that says legally that i'm not going to put her daughters face on a playboy bunnys body and sell them to her father on accident?

do you even know what a model release is?

SKPhoto wrote:
You may want to keep in mind that people who are a pain in the ass before any work is done, are usually pains in the ass afterwords too.

Exactly! This goes for vendors, suppliers, models, mice, bakers and candle stick makers. This is why I said punt.

The one notable exception is The Royal Imbibers and Libation types who calm down considerably after a coldie or three.

Now, where's that Clack bastard and his fridge full of Beck's?!

pw-gii photographics wrote:
Sooner or later there will always be a hitch.

I disagree unless your content is questionable. One of the models in my port was only 17 and a wonderful model. Her mom was great as well. No hitch here.

Aaron