Photographer
Jeff Cohn
Posts: 3850
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
i get the same thing all the time, thats why i put the disclaimer in my profile.
"I do not just shoot alternative models, If you would like to add some more edge to your fashion, glamour or commercial portfolio I am your guy. "
yet, i stil hear it once in a while cause people dont read profiles.
Jeff
Photographer
Jeff Cohn
Posts: 3850
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Great work btw, reminds me a bit of S.jenx and Hyde, as well as the aformentioned Jeffrey Scott
Photographer
Aanu Photography
Posts: 60
Carthago, Tunis, Tunisia
You know, when people do things like that to me I merely say, "You said it, not me". If I offer to work with someone or they want to work with me and I agree - the last thing I'm going to do is convince them further. I said yes and that should be all there is to it. If you don't think you're good enough for me then you apparently aren't. NEXT!
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DJ Drusilla KillSwitch
Posts: 28
Randolph, New Jersey, US
us goths aren't always dark!! we like out bright colors too!! Not too mention most of us can shoot pictures outside of the "goth" world. People need to egt the term "goth" right because until you know what it means...do not use it!!
...just my opinion...and everyone knows they are like a**holes...everyone has one!
have a great day all!!
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38224
Detroit, Michigan, US
Salzbrezel wrote:
us goths aren't always dark!! we like out bright colors too!! Not too mention most of us can shoot pictures outside of the "goth" world. People need to egt the term "goth" right because until you know what it means...do not use it!! Right on!!!
BTW-great look you have...wish you lived closer....
Model
DJ Drusilla KillSwitch
Posts: 28
Randolph, New Jersey, US
SPRINGHEEL wrote:
Right on!!!
BTW-great look you have...wish you lived closer.... oh thank you!!! its if your ever in the are look me up! 
I too get labeled...i mean yes i am a goth...and i am proud of that i love my look!! but when people see the pics i have they automatically think...oh she can only do goth! NO!! Thats not true!! if you read my profile it says "i can do more than just goth shoots!!" people shouldn't ljudge the pics automatically ...talk to the model. photographer find out who they REALLY are b4 u judge!!
That is all...carry on!!
Model
Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Nihilus wrote:
To people not familiar with such genres, dark settings and a hint of dementia can come across as "goth". You can't control how your images will be perceived by others. Just be happy you've got waves of women here literally throwing themselves at you for potential collaboration. Life must be so hard.   *throws herself at Nihilus* I love you
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Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Salzbrezel wrote:
oh thank you!!! its if your ever in the are look me up!
I too get labeled...i mean yes i am a goth...and i am proud of that i love my look!! but when people see the pics i have they automatically think...oh she can only do goth! NO!! Thats not true!! if you read my profile it says "i can do more than just goth shoots!!" people shouldn't ljudge the pics automatically ...talk to the model. photographer find out who they REALLY are b4 u judge!!
That is all...carry on!! Well...it's not necessarily a matter of what you think you can do...it's a matter of what others can see that you can do. I can say that I can do Maxim or FHM style glamour, but it's really a matter of what the photographer sees when they look at my work. I don't have the body type for that sort of work, and I don't display any of that kind of work in my portfolio, so photographers are likely to assume that I couldn't do it. Maybe I could...but they have no way of knowing that. Same with you...your hair, eyebrows, piercings, and tattoos kind of pigeonhole you...and you don't have anything but gothic looking shots in your portfolio. A photographer looking for a model for fashion is more likely to pass on you in favor of someone with a look that appears more suitable for fashion. It's not that they're judging you...it's that you're putting yourself in a niche. Nothing wrong with it...but just as you have your style, other people have theirs, and this business is all about appearances.
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38224
Detroit, Michigan, US
Salzbrezel wrote:
oh thank you!!! its if your ever in the are look me up! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You got me there.....if I ever do find myself there, I will certainly look you up...
I too get labeled...i mean yes i am a goth...and i am proud of that i love my look!! but when people see the pics i have they automatically think...oh she can only do goth! NO!! Thats not true!! if you read my profile it says "i can do more than just goth shoots!!" people shouldn't ljudge the pics automatically ...talk to the model. photographer find out who they REALLY are b4 u judge!!
That is all...carry on!! Thats something that can get annoying.....as I've said, I've had many different types of models I've wanted to work with but they weren't interested because my stuff is too dark...hell, I've even had some people tell me they were afraid to talk to me because I'm scary looking.....
I guess when you're outside of the "mainstream", people will always look at you as a stereotype....I was in my favorite club a few weeks ago and had a conversation with a girl how is in school to be a sociologist and she began drilling me with all the same questions I've heard over and over...."Why do you people look/act this way?", "What does this look repressent?", etc.....I'm sure you've heard it all before....
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HungryEye
Posts: 2281
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
ReticentDevil wrote:
personally, i find labels and stereotypes to be real time-savers LoL
I was a diplomat. Did they call me Bill the peacemaker? No.
I was an engineer. Did they call me Bill the bridge builder? No.
But you suck one c**k...
Model
DJ Drusilla KillSwitch
Posts: 28
Randolph, New Jersey, US
SPRINGHEEL wrote:
Salzbrezel wrote:
oh thank you!!! its if your ever in the are look me up! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You got me there.....if I ever do find myself there, I will certainly look you up...
Thats something that can get annoying.....as I've said, I've had many different types of models I've wanted to work with but they weren't interested because my stuff is too dark...hell, I've even had some people tell me they were afraid to talk to me because I'm scary looking.....
I guess when you're outside of the "mainstream", people will always look at you as a stereotype....I was in my favorite club a few weeks ago and had a conversation with a girl how is in school to be a sociologist and she began drilling me with all the same questions I've heard over and over...."Why do you people look/act this way?", "What does this look repressent?", etc.....I'm sure you've heard it all before.... INDEED!! I mean can't people dress the way they want with out people automatically thinking...nope "she is a goth she worships the devil" or "i can't shoot with her ...blah blah blah" everyone has heard it ....i agree though it is our fault in a sense for we put those pics up...but as i said before get to know the person b4 u judge them. Whatever happened to..."Don't judge a book by it's cover!?" i don't think there is anymore explaining that needs to be done!
Photographer
Jeff Cohn
Posts: 3850
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
SPRINGHEEL wrote:
I guess when you're outside of the "mainstream", people will always look at you as a stereotype....I was in my favorite club a few weeks ago and had a conversation with a girl how is in school to be a sociologist and she began drilling me with all the same questions I've heard over and over...."Why do you people look/act this way?", "What does this look repressent?", etc.....I'm sure you've heard it all before.... Just be like "marilyn manson was in vogue magazine... were you?... didnt think so"
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38224
Detroit, Michigan, US
Jeff Cohn::X-Pose.net:: wrote:
Just be like "marilyn manson was in vogue magazine... were you?... didnt think so" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Damn, I wish I had thought of that.....
Funny thing is, she was hitting on me at the same time.....I think the questions she was asking were more directed at herself....she struck me as someone who is repressed, wants to break loose but didn't have the nerve....
Model
Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Salzbrezel wrote:
INDEED!! I mean can't people dress the way they want with out people automatically thinking...nope "she is a goth she worships the devil" or "i can't shoot with her ...blah blah blah" everyone has heard it ....i agree though it is our fault in a sense for we put those pics up...but as i said before get to know the person b4 u judge them. Whatever happened to..."Don't judge a book by it's cover!?" i don't think there is anymore explaining that needs to be done! Lol...ok...I'm sorry...but I feel the need to point out...this is the modeling industry...it's visual art. I fully agree that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover...but that's not what's going on here. If someone's looking for a fashion model, they'll seek out a girl whose look is suited for fashion, just as an alternative photographer will seek out a girl whose look is alternative. If you have piercings, hair that is very much outside the mainstream, and drawn on eyebrows you're pigeonholing yourself. Perhaps you could do other styles of modeling, but all your photos are in the gothic vein, so a photographer has no way of knowing that. It's easy to say you can do a certain kind of modeling...but that doesn't necessarily make it true. A photographer has to go by what they see. If someone doesn't want to shoot with you based on your look...they're not judging a book by its cover...they're judging its cover by its cover.
Model
DJ Drusilla KillSwitch
Posts: 28
Randolph, New Jersey, US
Kaitlin Lara wrote:
Lol...ok...I'm sorry...but I feel the need to point out...this is the modeling industry...it's visual art. I fully agree that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover...but that's not what's going on here. If someone's looking for a fashion model, they'll seek out a girl whose look is suited for fashion, just as an alternative photographer will seek out a girl whose look is alternative. If you have piercings, hair that is very much outside the mainstream, and drawn on eyebrows you're pigeonholing yourself. Perhaps you could do other styles of modeling, but all your photos are in the gothic vein, so a photographer has no way of knowing that. It's easy to say you can do a certain kind of modeling...but that doesn't necessarily make it true. A photographer has to go by what they see. If someone doesn't want to shoot with you based on your look...they're not judging a book by its cover...they're judging its cover by its cover. You are awesome!! Just thought you should know!!!
Model
Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Salzbrezel wrote:
You are awesome!! Just thought you should know!!! Lol...well...thank you I think you're quite awesome too...but just so you know, if you really want to work in other genres...get some other genres in your port I want more colorful stuff, so I'm working on getting it myself. You gots to be proactive about this stuff.
Model
DJ Drusilla KillSwitch
Posts: 28
Randolph, New Jersey, US
Kaitlin Lara wrote:
Lol...well...thank you I think you're quite awesome too...but just so you know, if you really want to work in other genres...get some other genres in your port I want more colorful stuff, so I'm working on getting it myself. You gots to be proactive about this stuff. Planning on it Thanks!!! Have a good day!!! woohoo for goth chics lol
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38224
Detroit, Michigan, US
Kaitlin Lara wrote:
Lol...ok...I'm sorry...but I feel the need to point out...this is the modeling industry...it's visual art. I fully agree that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover...but that's not what's going on here. If someone's looking for a fashion model, they'll seek out a girl whose look is suited for fashion, just as an alternative photographer will seek out a girl whose look is alternative. If you have piercings, hair that is very much outside the mainstream, and drawn on eyebrows you're pigeonholing yourself. Perhaps you could do other styles of modeling, but all your photos are in the gothic vein, so a photographer has no way of knowing that. It's easy to say you can do a certain kind of modeling...but that doesn't necessarily make it true. A photographer has to go by what they see. If someone doesn't want to shoot with you based on your look...they're not judging a book by its cover...they're judging its cover by its cover. I know what you're saying Kaitlin and to an extent, I agree....myself as a photographer, I'm only interested in making what I call "Cinematic Stills"...I take photos that I hope give the feeling of films, of storytelling.....so I love working with many different types of models and non-models....when I look at someone's photos, I base my desire to work with them soley on if they have a look that I find interesting (not necessarily beautiful or handsome in the traditional sense)...however, I'm sure that someone in, say, the fashion field would certainly look at the same models and reject them because they didn't look more conventional...because I don't care for that sort of thing, I find most of that work boring but there you go....
I agree though that if someone is looking to do different types of modeling, they surely must have various looks in their portfolio....I have a feeling that Salzbrezel and i are having more of a cultural discussion about this anyway...
(And now that I've checked the thread before I posted this, i see that you two are in agreeance.....you're both awesome....)
Model
Kaitlin Lara
Posts: 6467
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
SPRINGHEEL wrote:
I know what you're saying Kaitlin and to an extent, I agree....myself as a photographer, I'm only interested in making what I call "Cinematic Stills"...I take photos that I hope give the feeling of films, of storytelling.....so I love working with many different types of models and non-models....when I look at someone's photos, I base my desire to work with them soley on if they have a look that I find interesting (not necessarily beautiful or handsome in the traditional sense)...however, I'm sure that someone in, say, the fashion field would certainly look at the same models and reject them because they didn't look more conventional...because I don't care for that sort of thing, I find most of that work boring but there you go....
I agree though that if someone is looking to do different types of modeling, they surely must have various looks in their portfolio....I have a feeling that Salzbrezel and i are having more of a cultural discussion about this anyway...
(And now that I've checked the thread before I posted this, i see that you two are in agreeance.....you're both awesome....) Oh I know you guys were, but at first she was saying that just because you're goth doesn't mean that's all you can shoot. I was just pointing out that although I agree that you shouldn't judge a person by the way they look, you do have to judge them as a model based on the way they look. There are of course, other aspects...but you do have to take appearance into account.
Model
DJ Drusilla KillSwitch
Posts: 28
Randolph, New Jersey, US
SPRINGHEEL wrote:
(And now that I've checked the thread before I posted this, i see that you two are in agreeance.....you're both awesome....) Hellz Yea!!! Than You!! You are awesome as well!!!
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vile_Mab_vile
Posts: 72
Denver, Colorado, US
i love your port, and i would not say "goth" i would say "unique" its beautiful
what is with the huge hype to be "goth" i mean its retarded...
Photographer
nevar
Posts: 14670
Fort Smith, Arkansas, US
Well the term Gothic has been continuously redefined, at first it was an arch. Term. Then it turned into an adjective that ment anything anti establishment, then it turned into having to do with a lifestyle devoted to a more realistic out look of life and death... Its current definition is sullied between post modern existentionslism and alternative lifestyle approaches. This there us a vast amount of confusion as to what goth is... Because essentially the term is going through a constant evolution.
My work tends to be more somber and reflective... I guess that those two things alone might make Gothic an acceptable descriptor for my work.
By the way goths or being Gothic is not stupid.. Generalizing a group is.
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DJ Drusilla KillSwitch
Posts: 28
Randolph, New Jersey, US
ravens laughter wrote:
By the way goths or being Gothic is not stupid.. Generalizing a group is. Damn Straight! Thank you raven!
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TheArchon
Posts: 183
Pemberton, New Jersey, US
Model
Stormie Psy
Posts: 919
San Diego, California, US
I don't know if I would say your work is so much "gothic" as it is "very creative".
Photographer
nevar
Posts: 14670
Fort Smith, Arkansas, US
thanky you.... I don't think I mind being called gothic... I have a great friend who has referred to me as "one of the hottest gothic photographers"... hottest I am hoping means really really good looking.... But there is nothing wrong with gothic as a description.... just don't want that to be all that I am considered.
Model
Durham Sorrow
Posts: 156
Beecher, Illinois, US
I'll never be pretty enough to shoot with Ravens....*tear*
Photographer
nevar
Posts: 14670
Fort Smith, Arkansas, US
Durham Sorrow wrote:
I'll never be pretty enough to shoot with Ravens....*tear* the only reason we haven't shot is because you have no wings... and I have no legs....(poetic for you haven't flown here and I haven't gone there)
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CBs Photography
Posts: 1110
Ontario, California, US
While trying to setup a âbusiness fashionâ shoot with a model, I was told that my stuff was on the âedgyâ side. I try and keep a variety of shots in my port but I do worry that because of the number of nudes in my port some models will think that is my primary interest. That is one reason why on my home page I have listed a couple of sites where I have other examples of my work. Every photographer has their favorite type of shoot, but should be willing to shoot almost any type of shoot just as a model has their favorite type of shoot but should be willing to model for almost any type of shoot, otherwise you limit yourself.
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