Posted by RFAphoto: 
Hey Ty, that's great, can I have your permission to use it, You will be credited of course!!

Definately.

4. NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems. If Mike the Maniac wants you to pose for a Texas Chainsaw Massacre poster (and it is a legit offer) Take it!
It shows that you understand you are a commodity and not a person when it comes to the industry.

A model is a commodity, but she's also a company. I don't agree with never turning down a job. If your company represents one type of service then why would you buy something for the company that it would never be able to use or sell to represent it? In other words, for my company (ME) I will agree to do work that represents what I feel..
1. I can do a good job for the customer
2. The job would help boost my company &
3. Would increase productivity in my company because the  commodity I'm offering is what they can use.

If I am not comfortable in doing a job it will show in the work. That is not good for me and not good for the person hiring me to do a job. In the long run would be worse for me and my stock would plunge lol

Posted by AshleyDanielle: 
I agree, even if you don't care lol

with all except #4

4. NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems. If Mike the Maniac wants you to pose for a Texas Chainsaw Massacre poster (and it is a legit offer) Take it!
It shows that you understand you are a commodity and not a person when it comes to the industry.

If I am not comfortable in doing a job it will show in the work. That is not good for me and not good for the person hiring me to do a job. In the long run would be worse for me and my stock would plunge lol

Professionals make decisions on what to and not to do and appear in as a reputation can be built or torn down based upon image.  "Take EVERY job no matter what" is Net mentality, not something professional models learn.  The #1 most important thing for any model to do upfront before stepping into the world of modeling is to create for him or herself a roadmap of goals and objectives.  Once these, including guidelines of what to and not to accept, are outlined... then the model should measure themself against milestone set up within that roadmap of goals.

On another note, advice given that anyone under 18 should have their parent wait outside or somewhere else during any real and professional photo, taping, or production session is not only very non-professional, but extremely poor business from a legal standpoint. 

If you're under 18:  TAKE A PARENT OR GUARDIAN WITH YOU and don't have them waiting somewhere else.  This is a business and not a game and business has certain rules, which include not working with children unsupervised.

Posted by Austin Models & Talent Agency: 

Posted by AshleyDanielle: 
I agree, even if you don't care lol

with all except #4

4. NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems. If Mike the Maniac wants you to pose for a Texas Chainsaw Massacre poster (and it is a legit offer) Take it!
It shows that you understand you are a commodity and not a person when it comes to the industry.

If I am not comfortable in doing a job it will show in the work. That is not good for me and not good for the person hiring me to do a job. In the long run would be worse for me and my stock would plunge lol

Professionals make decisions on what to and not to do and appear in as a reputation can be built or torn down based upon image.  "Take EVERY job no matter what" is Net mentality, not something professional models learn.  The #1 most important thing for any model to do upfront before stepping into the world of modeling is to create for him or herself a roadmap of goals and objectives.  Once these, including guidelines of what to and not to accept, are outlined... then the model should measure themself against milestone set up within that roadmap of goals.

On another note, advice given that anyone under 18 should have their parent wait outside or somewhere else during any real and professional photo, taping, or production session is not only very non-professional, but extremely poor business from a legal standpoint. 

If you're under 18:  TAKE A PARENT OR GUARDIAN WITH YOU and don't have them waiting somewhere else.  This is a business and not a game and business has certain rules, which include not working with children unsupervised.

Talk about the inability to read!!!
NEVER turn down a job for ARTISTIC CONTENT PURPOSES.

Let's see Austin, You claim to run a Model and Talent Agency.
If you have Becky model and a Client says, I want Becky here to shoot a fur commercial for us, and you sell it, then you talk to Becky and Becky says, "I am a card carrying member of PETA. NO WAY!" How are you going to feel about presenting Becky to another client?

This is NOT a Net mentality issue, It is Basic Business Sense!!

As for the under 18 comment, I can only assume you have some abd experience to go by.
Let's talk about Non-net professionals for a minute shall we?
In the Non-net world of fashion here in NYC area, If your child is assigned to go to a shoot, and you as a parent go along to escort, you are NOT allowed in the shooting area for the most part. Does this mean you are out of range to protect your child? NO!
It is NOT a game, It IS a business. And the rules of the business are perfectly clear if you want to be successful. Amoung those rules is the one that says 'Escorts are there for safety purposes only.'
Parents are different than escorts in that when arraning a shoot, they should have final say in all the kinds and types of shots and outfits etc... Does that mean they are there in the shooting area with the model right outside camera range? Not if they want their child to ever work with photographers again they are not. Can they sit outside the shooting area and watch and protect their child? Yes, and are encouraged to do so.
My point with the 16 year old was that it was an extremely professional attitude exhibited by a 16 year old girl and her mother, as compared to most models that bring a boyfriend that want to tell the photographer how to be a photographer etc...



Ashley, I never said, Do not turn down a job, and as a matter of fact, number 5 says stand your grounds.

Posted by Austin Models & Talent Agency: 
Professionals make decisions on what to and not to do and appear in as a reputation can be built or torn down based upon image.  "Take EVERY job no matter what" is Net mentality, not something professional models learn.  The #1 most important thing for any model to do upfront before stepping into the world of modeling is to create for him or herself a roadmap of goals and objectives.

Funny you should say that. I just recently realized how true that is. I used to shoot anything and everything I could.

Not anymore. Because two things suddenly hit me:
#1 - If I choose to continue doing photography just as a really big hobby, why on earth should I shoot anything I'm not interested in? Shouldn't I only do what I find fun?
#2 - If I choose to "take the next step" and turn photography into a career, shouldn't I strive to excell in styles of photography I love, instead of trying to be some "jack of all trades" in the profession?

So, for the first time ever, I started turning down paid shoots. And I still do, when they are things I have zero interest in. Because, as I said, they are no fun if this is a hobby and they are of no benefit to me if this is a career.

Posted by Ty Simone: 

Posted by Austin Models & Talent Agency: 

Posted by AshleyDanielle: 
I agree, even if you don't care lol

with all except #4

4. NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems. If Mike the Maniac wants you to pose for a Texas Chainsaw Massacre poster (and it is a legit offer) Take it!
It shows that you understand you are a commodity and not a person when it comes to the industry.

If I am not comfortable in doing a job it will show in the work. That is not good for me and not good for the person hiring me to do a job. In the long run would be worse for me and my stock would plunge lol

Professionals make decisions on what to and not to do and appear in as a reputation can be built or torn down based upon image.  "Take EVERY job no matter what" is Net mentality, not something professional models learn.  The #1 most important thing for any model to do upfront before stepping into the world of modeling is to create for him or herself a roadmap of goals and objectives.  Once these, including guidelines of what to and not to accept, are outlined... then the model should measure themself against milestone set up within that roadmap of goals.

On another note, advice given that anyone under 18 should have their parent wait outside or somewhere else during any real and professional photo, taping, or production session is not only very non-professional, but extremely poor business from a legal standpoint. 

If you're under 18:  TAKE A PARENT OR GUARDIAN WITH YOU and don't have them waiting somewhere else.  This is a business and not a game and business has certain rules, which include not working with children unsupervised.

Talk about the inability to read!!!
NEVER turn down a job for ARTISTIC CONTENT PURPOSES.

Let's see Austin, You claim to run a Model and Talent Agency.
If you have Becky model and a Client says, I want Becky here to shoot a fur commercial for us, and you sell it, then you talk to Becky and Becky says, "I am a card carrying member of PETA. NO WAY!" How are you going to feel about presenting Becky to another client?

This is NOT a Net mentality issue, It is Basic Business Sense!!

As for the under 18 comment, I can only assume you have some abd experience to go by.
Let's talk about Non-net professionals for a minute shall we?
In the Non-net world of fashion here in NYC area, If your child is assigned to go to a shoot, and you as a parent go along to escort, you are NOT allowed in the shooting area for the most part. Does this mean you are out of range to protect your child? NO!
It is NOT a game, It IS a business. And the rules of the business are perfectly clear if you want to be successful. Amoung those rules is the one that says 'Escorts are there for safety purposes only.'
Parents are different than escorts in that when arraning a shoot, they should have final say in all the kinds and types of shots and outfits etc... Does that mean they are there in the shooting area with the model right outside camera range? Not if they want their child to ever work with photographers again they are not. Can they sit outside the shooting area and watch and protect their child? Yes, and are encouraged to do so.
My point with the 16 year old was that it was an extremely professional attitude exhibited by a 16 year old girl and her mother, as compared to most models that bring a boyfriend that want to tell the photographer how to be a photographer etc...



Ashley, I never said, Do not turn down a job, and as a matter of fact, number 5 says stand your grounds.

First of all, I don't "claim" anything.  You can go to the state licensing database for credentials.  As for fur, I wouldn't call a model in since I would have turned it down myself.  In fact, for our actors, we review all scripts in advance and decide whether or not the content is right for our talent.  This is why they have an agent working for them.  We look out for their well being.  As for children being left alone with photographers, we are not talking about professional gigs here are we - last time I looked, this was a forum?  The discussion is guys with cameras who primarily shoot adult or "art."  I doubt there are any professionals who would think it wise to shoot a child without some supervision, regardless of content. Also, keep in mind that guys with camera's shoot alone while a pro gig is generally a studio filled with photographer, assistant(s), art director, rep for the client or ad agency, makeup artist, stylist...  hardly a child alone with some guy. 

Posted by Dan Hood: 
Wow! what a absolute load of self serving tripe.

Perhaps you should label it "tips for malleable wantabe porn models".

I cant see hardly any of those "tips" applying to a real world main stream agency model.

Wow, so you mean mainstream models dont reply to mail, are impolite, and inject their own artistic vision regularly at photoshoots to the point of interfering?

You may wanna clarify that statement a bit.

Posted by sarahlouise: 
I don't always agree, depends on the job. I've been with lots of photographers who are really willing to share ideas and discuss them through. I think this is important unless it is for a clear cut commercial shot. At the end of the day if the model is interested in what she's doing and really into the whole project then the pics come out better. I put a lot of emotion into what i do so i like to be able to discuss it and share ideas. It's a meeting of two creative minds at the end of the day and this will produce the best pics...just my opinion of course, but i would only work with such photographers. 

Well sure Sarah- thats cuz your pics are all self portraits so obviouisly the model and photographer agree (they better or Id worry).

Teasing . . . great stuff in your portfolio.

-Jose

You may wanna clarify that statement a bit.

Oh not really but to make you happy I will expound on my statement.

Lets see, last year a friend posted a model profile on omp. She had only artistic nudes checked in the lower box. The amount of obnoxious offers was amazing. I really loved the close up photo of the guys erection with the tag " hey try this on for size"  She would get e-mails like "yo bi-yoch gonna make you a star yo goona blow up when you shoot wit me."

No need to even talk about all the obvious scams out there too. Oh they came by the dozens.

Do you really think these e-mails require a response. As far as the weenie photo she forwarded it to the OMP administrators but since he is a Platinum member nothing happened. Responding is simply what these idiots want.

You want to entertain yourself? Post a fake omp page with all the adult boxes checked and some nudes on the profile. See what kind of e-mails you get.

If the person e-mails them in a professional or at least non disgusting manner then yes a response should come. However, not every e-mail is casually acceptable or even legible.

Not every e-mail requires a response.

Absolutes are rare and using words like ALWAYS and NEVER are wrong. There are "always" exceptions in all types of modeling, whether online "net" modeling or mainstream agency molding. Like in life there are varying shades of gray, it's not a black or white issue.

The rest should be obvious.

Posted by Dan Hood: 

You may wanna clarify that statement a bit.

Oh not really but to make you happy I will expound on my statement.

So you disagree with tip #1 only?  Cuz your initial statement was everything in the tips 1-8 was only for porn models.  Look dude, Im just saying the guy who wrote this post initially put alot of thought in to his post- you might not agree- but how about give reasons.

Nice points on your "email" thing though.
-Jose

Posted by Jose- JoseOnline.com: 

So you disagree with tip #1 only?  Cuz your initial statement was everything in the tips 1-8 was only for porn models.
-Jose

Humm....I guess it's not that obvious.

ALWAYS be polite to photographers, even when they are assholes

Well the gist of his argument is that it is self serving. He doesn't want models to talk about what a creep some photographers are. This guy might be the nicest guy in the world but his points come off as if he is one of the a**holes he doesn't want models to talk about there experiences with. When you read several of his comments, you can tell what he is hinting at. He may be a cool dude but his comments reek of perv.

This also applies to #7


NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems

Do you realize that certain jobs will hurt your career. Today most simple or artistic nudes wont bother to many clients but really odd or adult stuff most definitely will.

For example what if Johnny Depp came out and sold hemorrhoid cream. You don't think that would affect his reputation. If Sean Peen came out and stated pitching gonorrhea medicine. You think he would be offered the same parts he gets now.

Arnold Schwarazenegger will do toothpaste commercials in Japan but no commercials here. (So will most actors)

Why? It would hurt their career here to be seen like that. The thing is in Japan it is an honor to do these things but here it is considered lower on the actors scale to do them. Same thing with models. Some haute couture models would never dream of doing some types of commercial work as it would be the death knell to their careers

You know just a few years ago studios wouldn't let film actors perform on TV. Except for a Johnny Carson type of thing. There are still lots of distinctions made and taking any old job will most definitely hurt ones career.

Some people here know a model by the name of Sasha Monet omp # 6107. She lost a very nice commercial gig ( a couple a grand, full buyout) because of her fetish work.  I've worked with Sasha several times and consider her a friend.( I even introduced her to her husband)  but when showing a client some shots she was tossed out of consideration for the gig because of her adult stuff. Other clients may not care but some will. It is a choice we all make.

I have some political artwork on my site and have lost jobs because of it and I'm sure there were jobs I wasn't considered for because of it. It is my choice to have it on the website and I know the consequences it brings. So does Sasha. It is a choice we both make. But we do so knowing there will be repercussions.
Here is a link to those shots in case your wondering. http://www.secondskinimages.com/posters.htm

Telling a model to never turn down a job because of "artistic content"  is horrible, horrible advice. It also gets back to my self serving comments above.

8. Market yourself Correctly! Get a website, get a Yahoo Group
Maybe for net models but yahoo groups are silly. I know of no agency model that has one. ......and yes some models here are looking to get signed with a agency so agency advice is appropriate on a web form

I could go on but whets the point.

I mean some of what he says is fine but again this "ALWAYS,  NEVER" thing is a bit much.

I'm done with this.....me didi mau out.

Posted by Ty Simone: 

Posted by Austin Models & Talent Agency: 

Posted by AshleyDanielle: 
I agree, even if you don't care lol

with all except #4

4. NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems. If Mike the Maniac wants you to pose for a Texas Chainsaw Massacre poster (and it is a legit offer) Take it!
It shows that you understand you are a commodity and not a person when it comes to the industry.

If I am not comfortable in doing a job it will show in the work. That is not good for me and not good for the person hiring me to do a job. In the long run would be worse for me and my stock would plunge lol

Professionals make decisions on what to and not to do and appear in as a reputation can be built or torn down based upon image.  "Take EVERY job no matter what" is Net mentality, not something professional models learn.  The #1 most important thing for any model to do upfront before stepping into the world of modeling is to create for him or herself a roadmap of goals and objectives.  Once these, including guidelines of what to and not to accept, are outlined... then the model should measure themself against milestone set up within that roadmap of goals.

On another note, advice given that anyone under 18 should have their parent wait outside or somewhere else during any real and professional photo, taping, or production session is not only very non-professional, but extremely poor business from a legal standpoint. 

If you're under 18:  TAKE A PARENT OR GUARDIAN WITH YOU and don't have them waiting somewhere else.  This is a business and not a game and business has certain rules, which include not working with children unsupervised.

Talk about the inability to read!!!
NEVER turn down a job for ARTISTIC CONTENT PURPOSES.

Let's see Austin, You claim to run a Model and Talent Agency.
If you have Becky model and a Client says, I want Becky here to shoot a fur commercial for us, and you sell it, then you talk to Becky and Becky says, "I am a card carrying member of PETA. NO WAY!" How are you going to feel about presenting Becky to another client?

This is NOT a Net mentality issue, It is Basic Business Sense!!

As for the under 18 comment, I can only assume you have some abd experience to go by.
Let's talk about Non-net professionals for a minute shall we?
In the Non-net world of fashion here in NYC area, If your child is assigned to go to a shoot, and you as a parent go along to escort, you are NOT allowed in the shooting area for the most part. Does this mean you are out of range to protect your child? NO!
It is NOT a game, It IS a business. And the rules of the business are perfectly clear if you want to be successful. Amoung those rules is the one that says 'Escorts are there for safety purposes only.'
Parents are different than escorts in that when arraning a shoot, they should have final say in all the kinds and types of shots and outfits etc... Does that mean they are there in the shooting area with the model right outside camera range? Not if they want their child to ever work with photographers again they are not. Can they sit outside the shooting area and watch and protect their child? Yes, and are encouraged to do so.
My point with the 16 year old was that it was an extremely professional attitude exhibited by a 16 year old girl and her mother, as compared to most models that bring a boyfriend that want to tell the photographer how to be a photographer etc...



Ashley, I never said, Do not turn down a job, and as a matter of fact, number 5 says stand your grounds.

Well you did say "4. NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems."
this is the exact reason why I would turn down a job. Why take a job that I if I didn't feel comfortable with in writing, even consider showing up and actually doing? Again, I stick to my original answer on that. That would be a waste of time for me, the photographer (and crew), and the customer.
I got the jest of what you were saying on the others so didn't need to comment and #5 to me was just reiterating #4. I think you mean #6 which I agree with about getting out of there. Yet, maybe #6 could of been avoided if as I stated above for #4 was taken into consideration before taking the job.

I just think we all have our own ways of handling our professional lives. What works well for one of us may not work so well for another. With that said, the title of the post is "Keys to success of the would be model", and stating rules they should go by should be listed as a point of view and not fact, at least to me. There are so many that want and need good advice. On my response I can only say what is right for me and would never assume what would be good for someone else.

On many jobs I have had photographers get a bright idea for shooting something different, because of the outfit, lighting, time of day, location. Every single time when they had these brain storms tho they would discuss it with me about the idea and would ask me if I felt comfortable with that. I'll have to appreciate these photographers even more then I already do lol
Working with a contract on a job any changes need to be made before hand and an agreement is established.. (depending on what the request is, because you're dealing with money for time and content).

I will agree that artistic content "in finished product" shouldn't be argued. There have been times the photographer and customer would chose the photo I liked the least to be used, and i'd not get copies of the ones I liked the best (due to product in photo). Just got to bite my lip and remember.. i was paid lol

just my point of view nothing more

Posted by theda: 
I guess I'll never be Ty's kind of model, because I AM NOT just a commodity. I'm a human being with thoughts, feelings and opinions. I will continue to turn down work that doesn't meet my standards, and I encourage other models and wannabe models to do the same.  Your modeling careers may only last a couple of years (if they ever get off the ground at all), but if you comprimise your integrity, you'll have the memory of that with you the rest of your life.  If your standards are so high you feel you have to turn almost everything down, find another career, but don't debase yourself for modeling fame.

As for 1, 3 and 8 all seem to apply only to internet models. If you're booking your work through an agency, you're not publicizing your email address anyway. And yahoo groups? That's pure cheese. I AM an internet model and I won't use a yahoo group to market myself, nor will I sell signed 8x10s.

I thought my own "Tips for Models" was worth a read ... this stuff about being a commodity does not fly by me either! We need to respect each other as human beings and equals. Even if I'm paying you, it does not mean I have permission to be demeaning to you. Keep to the standards you can live with without regrets. 

About Yahoo groups, it's a free way to promote yourself. I think any way to promote yourself for free can't be "bad" now can it? The Internet is NOT a bad place to be. It burns me up when people mistakenly associate Internet models with porn or the adult industry. That is about as logical as saying that I am an Internet photographer ... and people who know little or nothing about the Internet think that means I am a pornographer. I shoot weddings, bands, family pictures, and models ... much of it is on the Internet. That means what?

Oh and about signing pictures for money, why not? I collect signed 8 x 10's from some of the models I know as a hobby. I pay for 'em and it helps the model pay her bills!

About Yahoo groups, it's a free way to promote yourself. I think any way to promote yourself for free can't be "bad" now can it? 

Actually yes it can.

O.K. if your a glamour model, or import model, or something like that fine and dandy, but lots of agency models need to protect their image and those yahoo clubs do not promote the image they want

When you use free web sites like tripod or geocites it says I'm too cheap to do it for real. It says I don't take this seriously enough to invest in a real web presence. Most also have limited bandwidth and often go down after they reach the limit. That's bad!

This may come as a shock to some but some agencies wont allow their models to be on omp or have sites like yahoo clubs. Some don't care but others who want to cultivate a high end persona wont.

If you want a real presence on the web get a real domain name and site. It's still the cheapest form of advertising I've seen.

Posted by Dan Hood: 

About Yahoo groups, it's a free way to promote yourself. I think any way to promote yourself for free can't be "bad" now can it? 

Actually yes it can.

A Yahoo group speaks "amateur" about as loudly as you can yell it.  I agree, if you need your own site, then buy a $9 domain name and get some $6/month hosting.  IMAGE IS EVERYTHING IN OBTAINING SUCCESS.  Also, models are not pieces of meat that are a dime a dozen.  Maybe in the adult world, but in other avenue's of the industry a model deserves as much respect and consideration as does anybody else... that includes the photographer, the agent, the art director, the studio assistant, the MUA, the stylist, and anybody else involved in bringing an image to completion.

Posted by Austin Models & Talent Agency: 

Posted by Dan Hood: 

About Yahoo groups, it's a free way to promote yourself. I think any way to promote yourself for free can't be "bad" now can it? 

Actually yes it can.

A Yahoo group speaks "amateur" about as loudly as you can yell it.  I agree, if you need your own site, then buy a $9 domain name and get some $6/month hosting.  IMAGE IS EVERYTHING IN OBTAINING SUCCESS.  Also, models are not pieces of meat that are a dime a dozen.  Maybe in the adult world, but in other avenue's of the industry a model deserves as much respect and consideration as does anybody else... that includes the photographer, the agent, the art director, the studio assistant, the MUA, the stylist, and anybody else involved in bringing an image to completion.

You are so right.
I suggest you go to the Ann Marie Chuman group, and see just how Amateur a model she is....

You know Austin, I look at your posts, I look at your website, I look at the fact you are on a ton of forums, and I have to ask, Where exactly does all this "experience" come from?

You are licensed and bonded, therefore you are legit - You made that statement in another forum we share. And my response there (since you never followed up) was the same as now, Anyone can get a license by filling out the form and submitting there money. Anyone can be bonded with the same thing. That does not make you a legit agency. It makes you a legit BUSINESS!

What would make me convinced that you are a legit agency, is that you provide one Model that is big, that lists you as their agent. Until then, I still think youa re a wannabe company with minimum clientele that can not get going, mainly because you do not see the industry the way it really is and you continue to blow sunshine up the arsse of models just to make a penny or two off of them.


As for people that don't agree, Fine. Do not agree.

As for the comment of never compromise or you will remember that etc...

IF you chose modeling as a career, then you need to treat it as a career, and with all careers you make the choice that is best for your career, and not necessarily yourself, or your career will tank!

I can think of two Senior Execs I know that made the mistake of not thinking Career over self, and both are now outsiders. And I am in the COMPUTER industry!!!

Imagine an industry that does not require the intelligence of the computer industry, where anyone with a great look (and there are a ton more models and wannabe models than there are High level IT guys.) are all competing for a chance at the same career!

This is where you have thrown yourself into.

Tell you what, Do not believe me?

Buy the book "Wilhelmina Guide to Modeling"

See what they have to say (considering they are experts)

I would love to bet you that they will say pretty much the same thing in different words :-)

Posted by Ty Simone: More tripe

You and your attitude is what makes "Internet Modeling" the stereotype that it is.  Instead of discussion, you take it personal and imply I am not legitimate.  When you can't win by merrit, kick em in the groin, eh?  Okay.  I am looking at your long list of credits and experience and understand that you probably know a great deal... wait, hang on, I can't find that long list. I see some naked lady pictures.  You are the co-owner of something called Nekkid Productions (Adult-oriented Material Company).  Pornography (Adult-oriented Material Company?  Where do you get off trying to advise how things work in the non-adult model industry? 

There are some people who really would rather know how things work in reality vs. your vision from behind the computer. 

Posted by Austin Models & Talent Agency: 
You and your attitude is what makes "Internet Modeling" the stereotype that it is.  Instead of discussion, you take it personal and imply I am not legitimate.  When you can't win by merrit, kick em in the groin, eh?  Okay.  I am looking at your long list of credits and experience and understand that you probably know a great deal... wait, hang on, I can't find that long list. I see some naked lady pictures.  You are the co-owner of something called Nekkid Productions (Adult-oriented Material Company).  Pornography (Adult-oriented Material Company?  Where do you get off trying to advise how things work in the non-adult model industry? 

There are some people who really would rather know how things work in reality vs. your vision from behind the computer.   

ROFL
You go Austin, You lost his battle once before.
My credits?
I have tons of them, and you know it. Shall I list some?
Like you, I was a part owner in an Agency. I gave up my ownership in it though. But you know that, and you know why. We had this discussion.
Photography wise, I was a photojournalist, but you know that too.
Do not try to come to a new set of forums and battle again Austin. Fact of the matter is truth hurts, and when someone comes on and portrays themselves as being an expert like you do, and gives bad advice, then they open themselves up to be impeached and debunked.
Right now, You are being Impeached, in so far as I am saying, you are not an expert, so please stop trying to pass yourself off as one.

oh, Other credits... Well models I have helped have had success in the industry. Of course, you and I had THAT discussion before too. Why do I not list them here? Because I am not here to promote myself as an agent or a manager. I am here as an artist.

As an artist I have been published. I am under contract even as we speak for a book of my artwork.

And as for your quip about Adult industry, it goes to show you have no clue about what you speak. I would venture that 1/2 of the models on here would have photos or sets that fall into the category that Nekkid Productions deals in.

It can be, but is not all pronography. NP deals in adult oriented images, including nudes, semi nudes, and others.
We are more of a brokerage house between models and the major adult players with over 1000 sites as a client base.

Also, being the father of a model, I have a lot more insight than I care to have. As stated in another thread, my daughter is performing again this month in another fashion show.

I am on the inside of the industry, and have been for a while Austin.... Now, where are your credits?

um... I thought so...

Oh yeah, one more thing, Past clients of mine include:
Budweiser
Herr Foods NY
Pepsi (Pepcom NY and Pepcom NC)
Miller
Mandys
Band: Friday's Tribe
Band: Don Juan Destroyers

Other clients I have submitted for, but they did not go with my work include:
The Gap
The Limited
Levi's


I do not need to brag about myself on here though, because I am her for my artwork, which is my passion.
Oh, and the advice I gave, although under my name, comes from several resources I used to research for my daughter's benefit.

Austin, you went toe-to-toe with me twice before, it always ends up the same.

Until you can show that you are Legit, I will continue to Impeach you when you try to blow sunshine up the model's arses!

Posted by Ty Simone: 

Until you can show that you are Legit, I will continue to Impeach you when you try to blow sunshine up the model's arses!

First of all, myself (and several others) commented that Yahoo groups are not very professional representations.  Instead of arguing that point, you turned it into questioning if I am legit or not.  Want to learn if I am?  Liable me here and I will invest a few dollars into finding out just how much of Nakked Productions I can take from you.  I have no idea who you are (perhaps you have switched user names?), nor do I wish to put on boxing gloves and battle with you here.  You might kick me in the groin.  I have every right to give opinions as you do... In fact, the guys who cry that porn is an expression of their ability for freedom and freedom of speach often are the first to try to silence anyone who comes from the other direction.  Put your battle armour down and let it rest.  I understand your frustration when someone does not agree with you, but that is no cause to "impeach" them and imply they are not legitimate... In fact, as a businessman I would hope you would have larger morals than that.  If I have offended you, I apologize.  If you want me to stop caring about models, I am sorry I cannot do that.  They do need to know that they aren't only here to be taken advantage of.

Posted by Dan Hood: 

Posted by Jose- JoseOnline.com: 

So you disagree with tip #1 only?  Cuz your initial statement was everything in the tips 1-8 was only for porn models.
-Jose

Humm....I guess it's not that obvious.

ALWAYS be polite to photographers, even when they are assholes

Well the gist of his argument is that it is self serving. He doesn't want models to talk about what a creep some photographers are. This guy might be the nicest guy in the world but his points come off as if he is one of the a**holes he doesn't want models to talk about there experiences with. When you read several of his comments, you can tell what he is hinting at. He may be a cool dude but his comments reek of perv.

This also applies to #7


NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems

Do you realize that certain jobs will hurt your career. Today most simple or artistic nudes wont bother to many clients but really odd or adult stuff most definitely will.

For example what if Johnny Depp came out and sold hemorrhoid cream. You don't think that would affect his reputation. If Sean Peen came out and stated pitching gonorrhea medicine. You think he would be offered the same parts he gets now.

Arnold Schwarazenegger will do toothpaste commercials in Japan but no commercials here. (So will most actors)

Why? It would hurt their career here to be seen like that. The thing is in Japan it is an honor to do these things but here it is considered lower on the actors scale to do them. Same thing with models. Some haute couture models would never dream of doing some types of commercial work as it would be the death knell to their careers

You know just a few years ago studios wouldn't let film actors perform on TV. Except for a Johnny Carson type of thing. There are still lots of distinctions made and taking any old job will most definitely hurt ones career.

Some people here know a model by the name of Sasha Monet omp # 6107. She lost a very nice commercial gig ( a couple a grand, full buyout) because of her fetish work.  I've worked with Sasha several times and consider her a friend.( I even introduced her to her husband)  but when showing a client some shots she was tossed out of consideration for the gig because of her adult stuff. Other clients may not care but some will. It is a choice we all make.

I have some political artwork on my site and have lost jobs because of it and I'm sure there were jobs I wasn't considered for because of it. It is my choice to have it on the website and I know the consequences it brings. So does Sasha. It is a choice we both make. But we do so knowing there will be repercussions.
Here is a link to those shots in case your wondering. http://www.secondskinimages.com/posters.htm

Telling a model to never turn down a job because of "artistic content"  is horrible, horrible advice. It also gets back to my self serving comments above.

8. Market yourself Correctly! Get a website, get a Yahoo Group
Maybe for net models but yahoo groups are silly. I know of no agency model that has one. ......and yes some models here are looking to get signed with a agency so agency advice is appropriate on a web form

I could go on but whets the point.

I mean some of what he says is fine but again this "ALWAYS,  NEVER" thing is a bit much.

I'm done with this.....me didi mau out.

I missed this when going through the thread the other night.

Let me respond in kind...

b] ALWAYS be polite to photographers, even when they are assholes [/b]
You disagree?
Look at the posts on this forum about the model and the Hotel room that turn into a he said she said thing?
How many photogs would never ever ever shoot with her because of her post.

Instead, I gave an alternative to it that is much more professional and would still hurt perv photogs.

You truly think she helped her career by that post versus simply adding his name to her profile and when a model asks for a reference she gives the canned response?

You are sadly mistaken!

NEVER turn down a job because of artistic content problems

Let's get this straight.
Johnny Depp and Arnold are not on this site.
BEFORE Arnold was famous, look at all the crap things he did!
It was those crap things that helped out (although it was his winning the Mr. Universe that got him really over the top.)

None of the models on this site have the income or the clout to screen based solely on artistic content.

BTW Artistic content does not mean type of shoot.
You know what, Never mind,
Instead, Models TURN DOWN EVERYTHING YOU DO NOT LIKE! IT IS A GREAT WAY TO PROMOTE YOURSELF!

Get real.
Business!
Not Hobby, Not fun and games.
When you can afford to turn down PETA then sure, Turn them down, until then, Take the gig and get yourself noticed!

Posted by Austin Models & Talent Agency: 

Posted by Ty Simone: 

Until you can show that you are Legit, I will continue to Impeach you when you try to blow sunshine up the model's arses!

First of all, myself (and several others) commented that Yahoo groups are not very professional representations.  Instead of arguing that point, you turned it into questioning if I am legit or not.  Want to learn if I am?  Liable me here and I will invest a few dollars into finding out just how much of Nakked Productions I can take from you.  I have no idea who you are (perhaps you have switched user names?), nor do I wish to put on boxing gloves and battle with you here.  You might kick me in the groin.  I have every right to give opinions as you do... In fact, the guys who cry that porn is an expression of their ability for freedom and freedom of speach often are the first to try to silence anyone who comes from the other direction.  Put your battle armour down and let it rest.

But Austin, I did respond to it.
Ann Marie Chuman
Perfect example of using Yahoo Groups for promoting herself and her career.

As for the rest, libel, which is the proper way to spell it, Can not be applied to opinion.
My personal Opinion of you even in writing on here, is not libel.
Libel is the publication - in words, photos, pictures or symbols - of false statements of fact that harm another's reputation.
IF I WERE TO SAY: {begin hypothetical} Austin has been arrested in California under a different name for child molestation {end hypothetical} That, would be libel.

If I say, You are a fraud. That is Not Libel.

Actually, the first is borderline libel, since I am not referring to a real person, but a web handle.
the law on that is still being sorted out.

But neither here nor there.

I do not care to fight, but I also want the models here to see their world as it is.

Like I said, check out the books, go behind the scenes of a show in NYC, look what the real world is like for the high paid models.

You know what Austin, Let's put this aside and start fresh.
We do have about 3 years of history arguing on various forums. (I think it has been that long, maybe less though)

Let's go with this,
In Texas, where the modeling industry is not a huge business (money wise), Things are different than in the NYC area.
In the NYC area, this is a vicious cutthroat business.

Here, there are literally 100,000 + wannabe models all shooting for the same set of gigs.

I know three models here that I have either helped, or had the pleasure of working with, that have gone from a posting on a website like this / omp / webtalent / allmodelzone / musecube, To having a career in modeling. By career I mean that they have steady work, and income.
All three of them agree with the items listed. Like I said, they all lived by those guidelines.

As for the comment about not responding to porn offers above, I apologize for not inserting the phrase "Within Reason" - I agree there are some that go right in the trash.
I was assuming people here had some common sense.
Sorry for that assumption.

Posted by Austin Models & Talent Agency: 
Things like advising children to have their parents wait in the car doesn't float a boat too well and I don't think any serious photographer who is legitimate really wants to have underage models alone with them during shoots - regardless of shoot content.

Can we get over that already? You ahve blown that out of proportion and did not read it all, nor the follow-ups.

I am not suggesting a parent not be responsible for their minor.

I illustrated that event as an example to show that you can escort a person, even a 16 year old, without being on top of the photographer like most escorts do.

Take the whole thing in context and not just bits and pieces.

And, If you have never been in another forum, And I will take your word for it, because you are either an expert at playing dumb, or you truly do not know who I am or the conversations we had, Then you and I need to talk, because there is someone else portraying you out there.

As a matter of Fact, There is an Austin Models and Talent post on at least 5 different forums I am part of, all with links to your website.

So, if it is not you, Again, I apologize, If It is you, well, you know where all this hostility comes from. (Because the not you that is you tried to have me investigated at one time, and I was completely cleared, after which the not you you disaapeared if that makes sense.)

Meanwhile, Commonsense is essential too. I assumed that people would have that when I posted. Next time, I will make it a lot more clear...

Oh, And Finally, It is not an ADULT PRODUCTION company, but I guess you want to harp on that too. And the individuals I have seen and dealt with are high quality professionals in the industry. As a matter of fact, I can say that one of my contacts is within Ford Modeling, and that she was kind enough to help me with information for my daughter.
I can also say I have had numerous dealings with SAG and have dealt with a few SAG actresses in my time.

None of that matters though.

The fact remains, the advice I gave is sound. You can disagree all you want, but like I said, get the two books I referenced, and then come back and disagree.

Although I will say they do not say return all emails, (that was because of the modern use of email as a medium for the models here) they do say respond to all inquiries.

And as far as the artistic content thing goes, I believe that the line went something like, "Expect to receive jobs for products or services you may not endorse or approve of."
and then about how agents do this that and the other.