Wynd Mulysa wrote:
Gotta love 'em.  Especially if they have no idea what's going on. :0/.

Me:  My rates depend on a lot of things - How hard of a job it is; Genre; Photo usage; If I will get copies; How broke the photographer is, etc.

Photographer: OK now i have a few more questions if u don't mind...lol sorry. ummm. what u mean by how hard it is.... all u have to do really is pose don't u? photo usage meaning digital or film? is that what u mean?

Language barrier?

Hadyn Lassiter wrote:
Language barrier?

Sadly, no.

He told me his age [22] at the end of the e-mail, like that was his excuse for not understanding model/photographer "lingo."

Experimental Photoworks wrote:
Don't forget if you have to set up the lights too charge double your normal rate...

I've never had to help set up the lights before.  :0(.
But I'll take your advice.  Haha.

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
Gotta love 'em.  Especially if they have no idea what's going on. :0/.

Me:  My rates depend on a lot of things - How hard of a job it is; Genre; Photo usage; If I will get copies; How broke the photographer is, etc.

Photographer: OK now i have a few more questions if u don't mind...lol sorry. ummm. what u mean by how hard it is.... all u have to do really is pose don't u? photo usage meaning digital or film? is that what u mean?

I can't emphasize enough how much of a difference an experienced model
adds to an image.



Robert

FosbreStudios wrote:
We have to use our brains. You try making sure the camera settings are correct....much more than pushing the shutter button honey.

We have to use our brains. You try making sure you're posing to show yourself in the best light, expressing emotion and holding those faces and/or difficult poses for several minutes while the photographer sets up the shot, often doing your own hair and makeup...much more than just standing there, "honey."

FosbreStudios wrote:
Ok, i forgive you

I don't understand what it was in the first place that needed forgiven.
But, okay. .

FosbreStudios wrote:

It was sounding like that you were making it like photographers, all they have to do is sit there and turn knobs and buttons...and just basically "snap a shot", which would be believed is a "piece of cake". But it's so much deeper than that. Just wanted to let models know..it's the whole set up of getting "one" picture done.

Oh, well I never said anything like that. 

But I appreciate your clearing things up in case any of the people reading this were under that impression.

FosbreStudios wrote:
Ok, honey, but she's making it sound like all we have to do is turn knobs and push buttons..that's not all it is "honey".
We have to make sure we're in the correct ISO, which you probably don't even know what that is. Make sure aperarture is correct, shutter speed, flash, up a stop, down a stop, what type of lens in the situation, and there's probably hundreds more that i can say, that we have to adjust, just to take "one" photo, "honey".

...

Wow, you're an asshole.
Neither Wynd nor I said that photography is "easy," and yes, I know what ISO settings are, as a) I work professionally in the photo industry and b) I was a photographer years before I ever took up modeling.
I was being facetious - I just find it offensive when photographers act as though, because modeling doesn't look hard, it must not really be work.
My point was that to someone looking from the outside, photography doesn't look hard, either, even though anyone who has done it can tell you it is.
In conclusion, bite me.

Catriona wrote:

...

Wow, you're an asshole.
Neither Wynd nor I said that photography is "easy," and yes, I know what ISO settings are, as a) I work professionally in the photo industry and b) I was a photographer years before I ever took up modeling.
I was being facetious - I just find it offensive when photographers act as though, because modeling doesn't look hard, it must not really be work.
My point was that to someone looking from the outside, photography doesn't look hard, either, even though anyone who has done it can tell you it is.
In conclusion, bite me.

I understood what you meant and thought it was funny.
Things go over a lot of peoples' heads in the forums, though.  :0/.

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
Gotta love 'em.  Especially if they have no idea what's going on. :0/.

Me:  My rates depend on a lot of things - How hard of a job it is; Genre; Photo usage; If I will get copies; How broke the photographer is, etc.

darkfotoart wrote:
posing isnt hard if its only for 1 pic  , i know what you mean.  i pose models for 200+  pics and they are ready to pass out, i shoot film so i havto be picky.   an 8 hour shoot is like 3 , 8 hour shifts at a cash register easy.

That would depend on the pose and some other things, but she didn't say how hard the pose was, she said 'how hard of a job it is'.

Classic fashion/commercial scenario: winterwear, with coat, hat, earmuffs and all bundled up in the cool summer month of July. Or swimwear at the beach in December or January.

Art scenes involving dangerous items (such as this one with barbed wire (Nudity)), or difficult-to-get-to areas, or tricky scenarios like underwater work are all more difficult per shot.

FosbreStudios wrote:
And you look double your age too....so sad...you drink much??? Wait til youre 35, you'll look like you're 50.

Basic math lesson:
I am 25.
25 x 2 = 50
35 x 2 = 70
Letting this die now.

U240Robert wrote:
I can't emphasize enough how much of a difference an experienced model
adds to an image. Robert

i disagree amatuer models can do very well , its how hard the models work and how well they listen.  ive walked off shoots with pro models , and got awesome images of a 9yo .

Kevin Connery wrote:

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
Gotta love 'em.  Especially if they have no idea what's going on. :0/.

Me:  My rates depend on a lot of things - How hard of a job it is; Genre; Photo usage; If I will get copies; How broke the photographer is, etc.

That would depend on the pose and some other things, but she didn't say how hard the pose was, she said 'how hard of a job it is'.

Classic fashion/commercial scenario: winterwear, with coat, hat, earmuffs and all bundled up in the cool summer month of July. Or swimwear at the beach in December or January.

Art scenes involving dangerous items (such as this one with barbed wire (Nudity)), or difficult-to-get-to areas, or tricky scenarios like underwater work are all more difficult per shot.

good point ill havto remember that , thanks

Jordan May wrote:
There is a huge difference between a girl that likes to get her picture taken and a model. Most girls these days are not the later. Get it? Because you think you can pose doesnt mean you are posing correctly for each type of shot. Same goes for photographers versus GWCs.

I wish more girls would stop calling themselves models and more guys would stop calling themselves photographers.

the only problem is most people dont understand pictures have a audiance.  my headshots of kids are well loved , my other work varies , im a photographer because of what im best at not because of the bulk of my work.     a model can be great but only usefull in one area.

darkfotoart wrote:

the only problem is most people dont understand pictures have a audiance.  my headshots of kids are well loved , my other work varies , im a photographer because of what im best at not because of the bulk of my work.     a model can be great but only usefull in one area.

I agree with you completely and that adds to my previous point. I am not the know it all of how to determine if someone is a true model or photographer but I think we all know obviously who is and isnt for the most part. I think we all experiement in areas we arent known for and thats part of life and growing. I guess im just sick and tired of reading girls profiles commanding huge rates with camphone pics in their port. lol

FosbreStudios wrote:
Ok, honey, but she's making it sound like all we have to do is turn knobs and push buttons..that's not all it is "honey".
We have to make sure we're in the correct ISO, which you probably don't even know what that is.

Selecting the correct ISO is VERY demanding.  I'm charging more...

Selecting the correct ISO is VERY demanding.  I'm charging more...

you mean there is another choice than 160   ,wow learn something new every day

Experimental Photoworks wrote:
Don't forget if you have to set up the lights too charge double your normal rate...

I've had models help me with swapping backgrounds. I even had a model help build the set.

Jordan May wrote:

I agree with you completely and that adds to my previous point. I am not the know it all of how to determine if someone is a true model or photographer but I think we all know obviously who is and isnt for the most part. I think we all experiement in areas we arent known for and thats part of life and growing. I guess im just sick and tired of reading girls profiles commanding huge rates with camphone pics in their port. lol

I have to agree. I have found more than one "model" in my area alone, with cell shots and "my BF has a camera" shots with "paid assignments only." A beautiful face or body does NOT make anyone a model. a model needs to know facial expressions, body language, posing, etc. I had a shoot a few weeks back for a trucking company (to make sexy posters) and the model I gonna shoot with had a family emergency 2 days prior. I found someone with last minute with a pretty face and a body that fit the look they wanted. No facial expressions, no sense of direction, didn't take directions, squinting in half of the shots and basically no idea what she was doing. I had to shoot two hours longer than I anticipated and still couldn't pull a hand full of images with a damn. I value a model (even if not so pretty) over a beautiful faces and body with no clue any day.

Jordan May wrote:

I agree with you completely and that adds to my previous point. I am not the know it all of how to determine if someone is a true model or photographer but I think we all know obviously who is and isnt for the most part. I think we all experiement in areas we arent known for and thats part of life and growing. I guess im just sick and tired of reading girls profiles commanding huge rates with camphone pics in their port. lol

You mean I could have been charging for 2 megapixel camphone pics? I didn't have to buy my Nikon?

BlindMike wrote:

I've had models help me with swapping backgrounds. I even had a model help build the set.

i do things like that when neccessary, location scouting and conceptual direction as well if need be.