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I am prepared to take an ass whipping for this thread or be ignored...so here it goes... This is pretty sad...the more I read these forums...the more it appears to me that there is a war between SOME photographers and models...when did that happened? SOME photographers bitch bitch bitch about models and then models turn around and do the same...my question is...didn't you know that by picking up a camera and wanting to take pics that at some point you were going to be working WITH a model? Same questions for the disgrunted models...We all have rules...so I want to get paid for my work! So he doesn't want you to bring an escort! If your work practices are different or interfere with the others believe...VERY POLITE AND NICE...move on!!! There are a million models and a million photographers...BUT PLEASE!!!! Keep it professional...do not tarnish your reputation or someone elses reputation because you had 3 incidents...or 5....or whatever...the point is...that shouldn't determine the rest of your experiences... Ok my cheap 2 cents are in...  XOXO Svetlana Oct 02 06 11:22 am Link ::Applause!!:: But without the fighting what would we do all day? Oct 02 06 11:23 am Link Melissa Lynnette has great legs ::Applauds:: Oct 02 06 11:41 am Link Svetlana V wrote: Hey Svetlana, HEY..... BIOYA! Oct 02 06 11:47 am Link I am the same person with or without a camera in my hand. Kind and courteous. Oct 02 06 11:48 am Link Bob Randall Photography wrote: Ok... Oct 02 06 12:00 pm Link Electra T wrote: Thanks ET. Oct 02 06 12:18 pm Link I only get into fights with other photographers,never models,well just that one but I learned a great lesson there. This is the internet and most on here don't even have a career in modeling or photography. I read some of the shit some of the photographers here say about models and their view of models and I can't believe they actualy find models to work with them. Models are not clothes hangers or pieces of meat. My wife is a model and my niece as well I believe my daughter will be as well and I screen every photographer they have contact with. Some of that screening is by what I read in the forums on their view of a model and her place in the team. The other part is your portfolio, Bio, and client list if you have one. This models are just there for "us " to shoot and should do as they are told attitude is bullshit. Oct 02 06 04:34 pm Link Melissa Lynnette wrote: I thought you said "applesauce"... :-P, looks like im pretty slow today Oct 02 06 04:40 pm Link You have pointed out a very real dynamic here at MM. Too much us against them. But that's the nature of things. People will always look for ways to feel "different" or "better." Between photographers there are the artsier-that-thou, the fashionably talented, and everything in between. Among models there are similar categories. Models who've been on MM for a while will eat you alive if you just put up a profile because they assume you just started modeling or some such nonsense. It would be nice if people would respect each others difference just a little more and take the edge off a bit, but many of them don't know any other way. Svetlana V wrote: Good... ready for me to spank you now? Oct 02 06 04:42 pm Link Svetlana V wrote: I don't appreciate it when MODELS to try to bring thought, respect, and reasoning to other models and photographers. I THRIVE on their conflict because it makes ME look better. Oct 02 06 04:46 pm Link I skim through these forums sometimes, looking for something useful or entertaining. Once or twice I may have been fortunate in being able to answer a question or provide some direction, or just entertainment. And I admit, I take time to read some of the exchanges between people who seem to be very tense. It makes me wonder, how do they have the time to do this? Spend so much effort on what strikes me as counter-productive exchanges. I get up in the morning, bust my butt all day, and lay down tired at the end, knowing I didn't begin to do all I want to, or even needed to. Certainly some people will be disappointed because I didn't complete something for them. And for me, it means even more work to do tomorrow! I'll bet that you, gentle reader, often share that situation. And I sometimes regret the few moments used here reading posts, maybe making one, or looking at portfolios. (Well, honestly, I don't regret that last one. I LOVE looking at all your portfolios! So many wonderful images, so many beautiful models! It is worth the time.) I just can't figure out how they get all their work done, and have time for these little wars, too. And I wonder maybe what more they could do, if they put that stuff behind them. Oct 02 06 04:47 pm Link This the internet in the real world its not like this as much Oct 02 06 04:50 pm Link David Fish wrote: Yes, in the real world they wait til you're gone to get snotty. Oct 02 06 05:34 pm Link W.G. Rowland wrote: the internet forums are like driving down the highway Oct 02 06 05:44 pm Link Mark Sebastian wrote: If we're doing analogies.. My favorite has always been: Oct 02 06 05:48 pm Link Svetlana There is a difference between waste & waist (FYI) Michinka Oct 02 06 05:48 pm Link Svetlana V wrote: There's a million photographers? I thought I was the only one... dammit. Now I have to find a new career. Oct 02 06 05:51 pm Link W.G. Rowland wrote: hahahaha. i love the visuals floating around my head right now Oct 02 06 05:52 pm Link Robert Sanders wrote: Yes you do, yer making us look bad. (By comparison, at least..) Oct 02 06 05:52 pm Link Caitie Lee wrote: Mmmm, applesauce. That would be nice right about now. Oct 02 06 05:54 pm Link It looks like there is cats, and dogs fighting...LMAO I was always told if you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all. If a person has to wait until your gone to get snotty its tells alot about them. They don't have heart to tell you to your face, and or write you privately regarding the problem they may have. (Model, Photographer). I really think these forums are funny, and entertaining, but sometimes people go over the edge with their postings. I get along with everyone, and hope no one has a problem with me on this site. If so I would like them to address me personally not in a forum posting. Afterall there are alot of jealous, envious, hateful people in this world. Thats life.....We were born in a world of sin. (Smile) it will make you all feel better. Oct 02 06 05:56 pm Link Svetlana V wrote: I agree! This is why I've slowed down on my postings here because I've gotten tired of fighting. Actually I am doing something about it .. and I will invite you to JOIN soon! Oct 02 06 05:56 pm Link Electra T wrote: Yes! Yes she does! Oct 02 06 05:58 pm Link urheartsdesire2 wrote: It is entertaining! We sure get to know each other by what we write, but some members of this community do take it too seriously. It's those few that are trolls, fakes, and just plain trouble makers that can cause the most damage .. but it's not that bad here .. is it? Oct 02 06 06:01 pm Link Mark Sebastian wrote: I like that! Oct 02 06 06:02 pm Link Bob Randall Photography wrote: How old r u. eye wundr ths vry mutch. u r knot fun-knee. BIGUKT Oct 02 06 06:04 pm Link Patrick Walberg wrote: I totally agree with you on everything stated above. Its not that bad here....It just the crazy, and funny postings that people list in the forums.. I laugh, but most of the time I just keep my mouth shut, and read what others have to say. I was always taught to do more listening than talking you will find out all the info you need to know about the other person. How true is this? LMAO Oct 02 06 06:12 pm Link Illustrated Imagery wrote: I'll tell you what mine means if you tell me what yours means. Oct 02 06 06:12 pm Link I agree with you completely Svetlana. Thank you for the post. Aaron Oct 02 06 06:41 pm Link Mark Sebastian wrote: GAH!! You said floating!! >_< GAH more unpleasant visuals. Oct 02 06 06:43 pm Link Bob Randall Photography wrote: Svetlana V wrote: That's because he misspelled "BISOYA." Oct 02 06 07:20 pm Link Batman speaks Latin. I'm Batman. Oct 02 06 07:26 pm Link come on, if we cant fight on here we,d havto find something else to do. like take pictures or something! Oct 02 06 08:17 pm Link Thanks Oct 02 06 08:33 pm Link I think the important thing to remember here is that everyone-model or photographer, has their own ideas of what's good and what isn't. Photography and modeling, for the matter is an ART. If everyone did the same thing, it would be pretty damned boring. I think instead of picking someone apart, maybe you should study their work. Pick out what you like or don't like and then use that for your own personal reference. But bashing people is just really quite silly. There is a such thing as "constructive criticism" that can be accomplished without outright telling someone that they suck. Each and every person has their own style and technique. A little rule bending doesn't make someone a bad model or photographer, it just makes them different. God forbid we colour out of the lines! Oct 02 06 08:39 pm Link Just imagine if no models showed up to be photographed.... Then just imagine if the photographer forgot to show up..... Hmmmm If we were all so perfect imagine what it would be like if every model looked exactly the same and every photographer took exactly the same photos. Before you cast the 1st stone...How perfect are you? I just had my 2nd part of a modeling shoot to be with 8 models and numerous Harley's. They all committed to me. Only one model showed up. And no bikes. After I spent weeks organizing it, sending out reminders, even the last week before and then the day before. Maybe it was the moon. Maybe the photo gods. Maybe it is time I take a shower....Oh no. I knew that I forgot something. Geez. Guess what we had a great time and those that did not show, well we'll do it another day. If I spend my time wasted on "Why things went wrong" I would be just as bad as them. And who knows they may have had a good excuse. A bad tummy ache, PMS, my bikes was out of gas, duh, my bike was reposessed by the bank, my mother borrowed my bike again. Oh no, she had a sex change. Damn bad timing. I love working with models and I don't let the ones that don't show, don't call to cancel, bother me. I just smile and think of how much I enjoy working with the models who do show up, who do love working with me, the ones who tell other models of me, those who post wonderful things about me on their profiles. And if I can make a model happy with photos that she loves and tells and tells about it I feel I did my job. Smile....you could be on camera Oct 02 06 08:58 pm Link Oh and I spend hours looking at the work of other photographers. I am honored to be among so many great photogaphers and hey not all of them are great, some are beginners, some still learning. Oh and then there are the jerks, the perverts, that give us a bad name. But, all and all I am happy to see that there are so many good people out there, photographers and models. Oct 02 06 09:02 pm Link Very smart post, especially for someone so young . Sometimes I think the posts are replacements for the fights they used to have as kids with their big brother or little sister. I admit it can be easy to be drawn in, when the attacks are way off base, but I try to bite my tonuge until the urge to reply passes. BTW You have a very nice port. R Oct 02 06 09:08 pm Link Thank you all for the comments that are relevant and thank you all for the comments that add humor to this...sometimes a little smile can make all the difference. I posted this because lately I took a little time to read these forums and it's pretty sad what some people say to one another. I know that in the real world conflict is as much as a reality as everything else....but when I began modeling the model and photographer were partners in the project. Regardless of who was getting financially compensated...because from a good photo shoot both parties will always benefit. Now I guess I am "HIRED to WORK FOR" such and such photographer or vice-versa...There are very UNPROFESSIONAL people out there. On both "sides"...do not let an encounter with one of these people determine your behavior torwards everyone else...(sorry for my mispelling or sentences with the wrong context. As you can read on my profile I have been in the USA for only 4 years and didn't know a lick of english...so I think I've come a long way...so I don't know if it's waiste or waste...FYI... ) XOXO Svetlana Oct 03 06 02:38 am Link |
