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I really did not expect to cause any commotion on a beach in Florida. I was working with a pretty model, and yes her blouse was blowing in the wind and revealing generous amounts of her ample bosoms, but so what? It's the beach. And there are women half-naked all over the place. And there were women with just as nice a figure as my model. The sun is setting and for the first time ever I'm taking photographs in that golden sunlight of a model on the beach. And then a dude comes up to talk with my model. I didn't realize it until afterwards, but his shadow spoiled a couple of really good shots. She was polite and chatted with him and I photograhed her assistant while she gracefully got rid of him. But he was so obnoxious and so foward, and thought nothing of walking 100 yards to invade our space. We went to a couple other locations during that final hour on the beach, and we had watchers wherever we went. One fellow set up his camera on a tripod with a telephoto lens and was photographing MY MODEL and MY POSES and I was paying for this shoot. Anyway, just wanted to vent about the frustration and really uncomfortable feeling of being an attraction, not that anybody was looking at ME. Oct 01 06 08:51 am Link Here's one from that shoot:  Note the offending shadow in this shot:  Oct 01 06 08:54 am Link Sometimes we are pretty friendly down here in Florida. They must have liked you, no-one got the sheriff like I've seen in so many past threads from other places. Oct 01 06 09:10 am Link V Smith Photography wrote: I don't think I would've been so patient. Especially, toward the guy setting up the tripod with his telephoto lens. I would have told him to step off. Or since you were paying the model for her time, had the model ask him to put his camera away. Yep, I woulda' definitely been bitching at some people. Lol... Oct 01 06 09:24 am Link Rossi Photography wrote: You and me both. I'd have been nice but firm and if that didn't work gone straight to insane asshole. Oct 01 06 10:01 am Link Unfortunately the spectators have every right to invade on your shoot.....unless you get a permit which in most cases gives you a defined buffer zone which they cant enter. Personally I dont mind spectators because it means the model you are shooting is attractive. If no one stopped to watch then I think it would be an indictment of the model, lol. Oct 01 06 12:29 pm Link Spectators don't really bother me. In fact, there's really nothing you can legally do about it. If you get nasty with them, they'll just go call the cops and your shoot will be over. And there's nothing you can legally do about someone shooting your model from afar when you are on public property, even if you're the one paying for the shoot. I actually enjoy spectators. Cause they all look at me in awe and think, "What a stud this guy is to be with that hottie!" And sometimes other hotties walk by and ask for my card too. I like that. What I do hate though is busybodies. Usually either little old ladies, ugly girls, or teenagers. If I had a nickel for everytime I was shooting a fully clothed model in a non-suggestive manner when some passerby mumbled something about us shooting a porno I'd have about $2.45. Oct 01 06 12:53 pm Link Kinetic Photography wrote: I agree. You're in public. You don't have exclusive use of the space. Duh. Oct 01 06 12:58 pm Link you have to watch your own background, and if he's making a shadow then you can say, 'your shadow is in my picture, can you move a bit' gives you a chance to establish yourself as a photographer Oct 01 06 01:02 pm Link The difference seems to be that if you're pointing a camera at someone they must want to be seen, so it's ok to come and ogle.. Or such has been my experience.. Although the few times it's happened it has bugged me more than the model.. Oct 01 06 01:07 pm Link haha, i had a very similar experience during one of my first shoots in Malibu. we had found a relatively quiet spot which was blocked off on one side by a concrete structure.. but we were in clear view of a lifeguard tower which worried me - i thought he'd kick us off because i had a stand setup with a big golden reflector in the middle of the beach. in the beginin (when she had her shirt on) there were random people walking across frame, collecting cans in the background.. but once she "warmed up" and the buttons started popping off, a crowd gathered along the PCH..and it wasn't only the guys that were watching - there were several couples that were walking along the beach that stopped to watch. i guess we were lucky because nobody intruded upon us... and i think the lifeguard enjoyed the show. if another dude had setup a camera, i would have been a little weirded out... how did the model feel about the extra attention? Oct 01 06 02:38 pm Link Rossi Photography wrote: Problem is..public place and no permit gives you NO right to do that. Oct 01 06 02:44 pm Link Why do you shoot these things on populated beaches? Oct 01 06 02:44 pm Link Personally if I was doing a shoot and some random guy tried to step in and take my picture I'd say the same thing as if I wasn't all made up and some stranger was trying to to take my picture "What the fuck are you doing? Stop taking my picture please" and if he said it was his right I'd tell him that it's illegal to photograph someone without their consent (a little tidbit I picked up from a crazy lady on the bus), and then I'd kick him in the nuts. But maybe I'm just mean? Oct 01 06 03:26 pm Link this is what you do , go to a bad part of town , find a large black woman. pay her $50 to be your security. if she says go away people will listen , men will not argue and women will fear her. i would never let anyone talk to my model. this sounds prejudice but is in no way intended to be. would you argue with a 6 foot 350 pound black woman i sure as hell would,nt Oct 01 06 03:38 pm Link Telephoto lens.... So he couldn't have been too close. And obviously wasn't getting the same shots as you.... Deep breath... It'll be ok Oct 01 06 03:40 pm Link when you are in a public place, anyone can take your photo. otherwise, the paparazi would not exist. Oct 01 06 03:41 pm Link darkfotoart wrote: Ya know, I kinda agree with you there.. Madea!!!! lol Oct 01 06 03:41 pm Link darkfotoart wrote: And why not a 6 foot tall 350 pound white woman or whiteman? What are you? Oct 01 06 03:47 pm Link darkfotoart wrote: And who's yo' Daddy Boy? Oct 01 06 03:48 pm Link Suzan Aktug wrote: Don't know the laws in Canada, but in the U.S. a public place is just that - public. And as such there is no right to privacy, nor is it illegal to photograph anyone who is plainly visible in a public place. What MAY be illegal, depending on it's use, is to use that photo without the subject's release, unless it is used in an editorial or "newsworthy" manner. Oct 01 06 03:49 pm Link That is why you have assistants..besides helping you, they stand around the set looking for infringers(guys with cameras), then they stand directly between them and the model, spoiling their images. usually the GWC gets the point, but some are a little thick, and move to a new spot and try again...that's when your assistant goes out and is a bit more imposing. Remember, the GWC doesn't have a clue if you have or need permits.... Oct 01 06 04:04 pm Link I am the guy with the tripod and I am sorry if I upset you or your model I tried to stay out of the way shoot from a safe distance. By the look of the small point and shoot I thought you were just a guy doing clevage shots and not a Photographer on a paying shoot if you had asked I would have quit shooting. But realy if you go to a crowed beach you are bound to run into some trouble. Agian I am sorry for any missunderstanding. marshall Oct 01 06 04:32 pm Link You'd be surprised how nervous people can get when you turn around and point the camera at them and shoot off a couple rounds. The whole "it's a public location" works both ways. Come to think of it, that might be a fun shooting experiment. Instead of shooting the model, shoot the reactions of the spectators. Or get a friend to pretend to be the photographer and hide off to the side with the real camera. Oct 01 06 04:34 pm Link I'm not sure. Am I seeing yankee agression and southern charm in these posts? Oct 01 06 04:38 pm Link "Gawker relations" is a sensitive manner. I agree with the others who said that everyone has the equal right to be there. Unless you are specifically authorized to be shooting there, it's best to go with the flow. Those that take interest in the shoot are not the ones to worry about. Those that observe discretely and call the authorities are. Gawkers have the right to take pictures, but they can't publish them without the model's permission. And yes, there's a double standard as far as revealing clothing. For some reason, it is OK for swimming, jogging, roller blading, sun bathing, etc, but not for shooting. WTF? Oct 01 06 04:43 pm Link Marshall Bradford wrote: ha ha ha Oct 01 06 04:51 pm Link You should have put him to work holding a silk over her to tone down all that harsh light. Then your assistant would have been free to hold the 4X8 black cloth panel to help keep her from squinting into the sun and making her pupils bigger, right Mike. I'm trying to be helpful and Mike usually holds the black panels. Oct 01 06 04:54 pm Link darkfotoart wrote: Why do you have to go to the bad side of town to find a black woman and are they all 350 pounds? Oct 01 06 04:56 pm Link darkfotoart wrote: Actually, race and size don't matter - you just need to find someone with the right attitude. The person I knew who had the least trouble getting people to jump to was under 5'5" and had a figure akin to a stick. It didn't matter. When you heard her bark, you *moved.* Oct 01 06 04:59 pm Link Suzan Aktug wrote: Didn't your mother ever tell you not to listen to what crazy ladies on the bus had to say? Oct 01 06 05:01 pm Link Bob Randall Photography wrote: I'm totally cool with the photographer now. Oct 01 06 05:16 pm Link Bob Randall Photography wrote: no some are thin and hot i see hot black girls every day i go to work , and hispanic ones too. you need an assistant from a geto area because they wont give anyone a inch. the reason i say black woman is i find perv,s are scared to death of them. again im not prejudice i have alot of black and hispanic friends. by the way i know a few black female lawers they wont work for $50 for 2 hours unless you know them real well. Oct 01 06 05:32 pm Link DAntony wrote: well i tried a biker and girls flirted with him. i tried a good sized white woman and guys into ( heavy hitters ) flirted with her. i tried about everything ive done near 1,000 public shoots and black women can achieve a pissed off face no one can argue with. if their good size it just adds to the effect. i always have a security person with binoculars and a escort at my shoots Oct 01 06 05:39 pm Link DAntony wrote: Not a man because another guy will have no compunctions about punching your hired muscle if he's male. Most men won't punch a woman. And I don't know about you, but I don't know many large intimidating white women. However I've met my share of large intimidating black women who could & would easily kick my ass. Oct 01 06 05:50 pm Link if you ever been annoyed imagine some ahole watching you do portraits of a twelve year old girl. to even piss me off more the girl belonged to my sister. so this perv is staring at my niece. not my fault she is tall blonde with blue eyes. i got really pissed when i asked him to leave and he said no. now im a career automobile collision repair tech. so i said to him a few threating words after i lost it ,then he ran off. by the way in public you can take pics of whoever you want. just dont push your luck , some 20 something girl walked within 5 feet of my kid at a park this summer. she started taking pics of my kid like a photoshoot or something. i told her to leave and she said ( as a photographer i have rights ) i said your closer to getting your 20d smashed on the sidewalk than leaving here with pics of my kid. she handed over the camera and erased the pics of my kid and told her to leave. i later found out the pictures of my beautiful child smelling flowers would have ended up on ( istockphoto ). she may have had some rights but if i find pics of my baby on istock whoever took them is in deep crap Oct 01 06 05:56 pm Link darkfotoart wrote: Is this the voice of experience we hear here? Oct 01 06 05:57 pm Link darkfotoart wrote: Doesn't Istock require a copy of a photo id of any humans who's faces are visible? Oct 01 06 06:01 pm Link Ya, I hear ya. I have a friend who was model working a shoot in Portland, Oregon (are you listening V Smith?). A spectator asked permission to take a few shots from the side. The photog said "Sure". Well, she proceeded to shoot more than a 'few', but to date the model hasn't seen her unauthorised photo in print, but she's just waiting. All in all, you can politely ask someone to move if they ruin a shot, but if everyone is in a public location, you have few options (changing locations about your only choice). Oct 01 06 06:05 pm Link Iris Swope wrote: That's exactly what I was thinking. iStock asks for a model release for any visible faces. So unless she was prepared to do something highly unethical and illegal (which wouldn't be surprising, honestly), then she wasn't going to get her photos on iStock any time soon. 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