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model have right to get photos from paid shoot?
It wsnt never question before, until today when we ask photographer about photos from shoot we supose to do next week for my portfolio , he call right back say he never give photos to paid model beacose when he give photo it like TFP shoot not piad. But in my expirience i never hade problem with reciving photos from sessions for my portfolio and i never did TFP/CD shoot, not yet atlest. So MM what you think about his metter...? Kissses and butterflies  Sep 14 06 06:17 pm Link No. Sep 14 06 06:18 pm Link um, If he paid you then I am assuming that is what you get out of the shoot. If you paid him then thats when you get pictures. Otherwise work TFP. Sep 14 06 06:19 pm Link A model doesn't have a "right" to images from a paid shoot unless it is agreed on before the shoot. Sep 14 06 06:20 pm Link If he's paying you, you have no right to them. He might be nice and GIVE you some. I know on some of my paid projects I'll give the model one or two images to help publicize my work, but certainly not all of them. Sep 14 06 06:21 pm Link No. If the quality of photos he takes is good enough that you really want them in your book, then forfeit the cash compensation and take photos as compensation instead. Sep 14 06 06:22 pm Link I agree is giving all or half the photos turns it into TFP/CD. But, I give paid models a select few photos I choose. I want her to add my photos to her portfolio. She will show off my work to others, including other models. Giving nothing, I don't see that as a good idea, even if the photographer hired her. Sep 14 06 06:22 pm Link Shyly wrote: Another reason why Shyly rawks! Sep 14 06 06:23 pm Link I would say no, they are under no obligation to give you any images. But I have been extremely fortunate in that all of the photographers who have paid me have liked me enough to let me have my pick of the images too. Sep 14 06 06:26 pm Link Since I've designated myself for the day as the axeman of the unreasonable, I think it's fair to point out that I don't think this model is being unreasonable, just uneducated and she's duly educating herself. Sep 14 06 06:29 pm Link It is the photographer who's paying the model's right to decide whether or not to give photos to the model. Sep 14 06 06:29 pm Link its a general NO...... thats the way it is... you have been paid...... now you may come accross some nice photog like me that will give you 3 or 4 prints or web ready images... but a paid shoot is a paid shoot the photog is under no obligation to give out prints and pay you........ Sep 14 06 06:32 pm Link i assume this was a commercial shoot? in which case ask the photographer to let you know when published and where. you purchase the magazine, scan the image, and voila - a tearsheet for reprinting. not a commercial shoot? why did you get paid? and if you wanted images (and a limited use license to use them), that should have been negotiated beforehand. Sep 14 06 06:38 pm Link Each job is diffrent in negotation. Most jobs paid by photographers you do not get images, but many do give you one or two IF they feel like it. IF you fall in love with an image after the shoot offer to buy one from him/her. IF you really love the photographers work offer 50 /50 split instead of 100$ try 50$ and 5 images. or what every you come up with. Or take the cash and pay a really great photographer for super great images... Or if you are being paid for a comercial shoot just buy the magazeine or newspaper or such and there is your tearsheet. Sep 14 06 06:42 pm Link Well that first time of 26 shoots i meet some who dont whant to give me any photos after paid shoot, i never ask for all photos from session but atlest few good ones to put in portfolio it also help photographer to advertise hes/her work isnt it..?I also not asking for some rights on photo al i need photos with photographer names on it to use for my and hes advertisement. I may ask it wrong way on topic it should be more like " Does model deserve to get few photos from paid shoot" Well any way thank for input MM Sep 14 06 07:31 pm Link Rabbit86 wrote: Asking a photographer nicely to let you use a couple of images s/he selects for your portfolio with his/her name on it's cool. I wouldn't use the word "deserve" tho, that might tick them off Sep 14 06 07:34 pm Link In a situation like that....if I WANT images and I'm getting paid....I usually bargain for at least an hour of tfp so that I can have a few images to post, I usually end up being able to walk away with 10 or so digitals that I can post. Rarely, but it's happened...to get actual prints in that situation. Best wishes. T Sep 14 06 07:35 pm Link Do they deserve the shots, no. But if the photographer is an amature or a hobbiest, it would benefit him to have you post some of his work on your site. Free advertising. Sep 14 06 07:39 pm Link Rabbit86 wrote: no frikkin way... Sep 14 06 07:42 pm Link Rabbit86 wrote: The question you asked was if a model was entitled to the images if she was paid and the answer is obviously "No." What you have learned though, from your experience, is that most photographers will give you a couple if you ask them nicely. If the photographer declines, there is no foul. Sep 14 06 07:49 pm Link Rabbit86 wrote: For every shoot, you are compensated for your time. Sep 14 06 07:56 pm Link First if it is a commercial shoot,adv, brochure etc.. sometimes the photographer him/herself my not have the final say as to where the images will appear, Thats up to who the shooters client is,, and in this case you the model are not entitled to those images except you get a tearsheet which shows you to actually be a working model ,and of course based on the final result as to where it,s published can also increase your demand for higher compensation , I,ve had clients do shoots for billboards,and they got the check but in some instances the ad never ran,one client was in a music video and even though he got the nice check(major label) here.. he still had to buy copies to show everyone that he was in it.stage4det Sep 14 06 08:12 pm Link thats called double dipping. you want images, lower your rates, or book a time for prints. its all in the negotiation, and if yer smart, both of you put it in writing BEFOREhand Sep 14 06 08:16 pm Link It's what is agreed to before the shoot. Everything's negotiable. I usually let the models have copies of the images if they want them, but it's the distribution rights that are what matter, and I keep those. Of course, if I'm doing TFP or TFR (time for rights) I give a share of that up too. Sep 14 06 09:44 pm Link Moraxian wrote: I agree with this. Sep 14 06 09:53 pm Link markcomp wrote: Actually, it is the amateur who will be most likely to offer the shots, and the least likely to get any benefit. It can only bring more free work? Sep 14 06 09:59 pm Link I myself never do a shoot where I do not get both Money AND a data disc of all original images. I mean, hell, I just use them for keeping my profile fresh anyway..oh, and MAYBE myspace if they aren't nudes. big deal, why would the photographer care? It's not like I'm turning around and making any further profit with them. Sep 14 06 10:02 pm Link The answer depends on what you agreed upon with the photographer BEFORE the shoot. A shoot paid by the photog to the model does not necessarily mean you get any images. That is all negotiated before the first frame is exposed!! At least it is supposed to be. Sep 14 06 10:02 pm Link Luminos wrote: Not true at all. I get pay + images from plenty of very quality professional photographers. Sep 14 06 10:08 pm Link RedheadRobyn wrote: Uhm I too have lost out on potentially hundreds if not thousands of dollars due to this " no escort allowed" BullS*** Hmm Sep 14 06 10:36 pm Link RedheadRobyn wrote:
Sep 14 06 10:46 pm Link e-string wrote: So do I. Sep 14 06 10:52 pm Link Wynd Mulysa wrote: Right. Sep 14 06 10:59 pm Link i think it depends on a few things. often in the shoots i hire models for, the client has an exclusive use of the images for a period of time, so no one can use the images for that period. for magazines, it is 3 months usually, but others can be years. i have no problem giving models and stylists copies of images from the shoots for their portfolio, but getting a tear sheet is up to them. i do not have time to track the usees down. i never pay a model for my own shoots. if i am paying a model, i am billing it to the client. no need to pay a model for a shoot. i would rather have someone interested in creating and working together on projects. if i am getting paid, so will the model though Jim Sep 14 06 11:00 pm Link I normally let models have prints for their books, if they ask for them. I think it's good publicity. I don't put logos or stuff on the front, they usually go on a label on the back of the print. It can never hurt to put yourself about a bit, and I think the OP's photographer is being a little short-sighted in his attitude. But if the stuff is going into a magazine, or whatever, and the model can easily obtain tears, then she should do that. Sep 14 06 11:30 pm Link You should message him kindly asking for 3 or 4 images so you can promote yourself, talk it out. You guys might come to a compromise! -Miss Beth Sep 14 06 11:45 pm Link No one has a "right" to anything not previously agreed upon. Generally a paid shoot would give you less claim to images than a test or "TFCD" shoot would. -Don Sep 14 06 11:50 pm Link I'll give images that I've edited WITH my logo, and in a small size so they can post on MM or OMP or Freakywackygirls.com (assuming its a free not a paid site) No one, not even if THEY PAY ME, gets UNEDITED pics. If you're shooting with me you're shooting with what I create, not just what I shoot Sep 15 06 02:00 am Link if its a paid shoot , a lot of photographers do not supply any photos from it, and that is the norm, as a courtesy whether its paid or not i supply photos always, but that is a personal choice, not a requirement on paid shoots. ps though, i know of a guy that never gives photos whether its tfcd or paid ,he is an asshole and embarrassment to all photographers, and he is from cali. Sep 15 06 02:07 am Link I find a lot of this has to do with the way the initial correspondence discussing rates goes. Some time ago I approached a model about doing TFP. She stated that she did not need anything new for her book, so cash was the only way I was going to get to work with her. Ok, fine. Not a problem. So we discussed rates, and we agreed to shoot. I didn't try to squeeze her for a lower rate, she quoted a rate I thought was pretty much what was being charged by everyone else, and I like to be fair. After the shoot and after being handed her compensation, I get an email asking when she can expect some images from the shoot. Huh? This was the same model who stated she didn't need anything new for her book. Thing was, the shoot went really well and she just knew she was going to get some images out of it that she liked. So she emailed me asking for images the moment she got home. In the end I gave her images. I almost didn't out of sheer principle, but I didn't/don't want a reputation for being a hard ass and decided it was in my best interest to have that image on her port. I think though it would be nice that if the model 'expects' images from a paid shoot it would be grand if she would offer something for them - even a reduced rate, or some extra shoot time, or a style of pose she rarely does. Something! We like to feel valued too. Sep 15 06 02:14 am Link |
