Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Have you never studied perspective such as that illustrated so wonderfully by Escher because you already have a filter that does it for you?

not a filter but a clone tool.

--face reality

Kevin Bargeron wrote:
I have a BFA, does that make me an artist?

My wife tells me I have a big fucking ass all the time too.

FaceReality wrote:

not a filter but a clone tool.

--face reality

How do you simulate Escher with a clone tool? I would love to be able to do this.

Lens N Light wrote:

How do you simulate Escher with a clone tool? I would love to be able to do this.

In CS2 there is a perspective tool for those that don't know how to do it with horizon lines, vanishing points and stuff.

Frank McAdam wrote:
A fraud?  Hmmm.  You mean like listing studio locations in Moscow, Telaviv, London, Capetown, Little Rock when actually shooting out of the kitchen of a Chinese restaurant located in a non-descript Chicago neighborhood.  :-)

Actually if you read my all important bio you would have found I was calling a spade a spade before this post and the cities I list are simply my way of doing that.

Non descript? How dare you! They call my neighborhood the Kinzie Corridor. Sounds kinda global doesn't it?

Soft Medium wrote:
It seems you have already implied the answer, but I have to ask anyway.  Does this mean that to be an artisit you have to have studied art and it's history?

Not at all. I would imagine you could be one hell of an artist without ever having opened a book, art or otherwise. Imagine you have two choices in life. One you get to be a sculpter working in marble, the other you get to be a photographer working in digital. On your very first day with the marble you start chipping away. One minute later you have a block of marble with a small hole in it. You load that marble onto the internet and proclaim it to be art. Now imagine what I'm thinking.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Do you make crappy pictures and then defend them by calling them art?

Nope I defend them by calling them crappy pictures. But they're MY crappy pictures and I am happy with their level of craptitude. Like your Dali-style pic by the way Bob and the hands 'holding' the water.

Soft Medium wrote:
It seems you have already implied the answer, but I have to ask anyway.  Does this mean that to be an artisit you have to have studied art and it's history?

Exactly what I thought! thank you!

If this is true who did the very first artist study?

DannyBourne wrote:

Nope I defend them by calling them crappy pictures. But they're MY crappy pictures and I am happy with their level of craptitude. Like your Dali-style pic by the way Bob and the hands 'holding' the water.

Your being disingenuous, your pictures are beautifully executed and they look beautiful. Are they art, who knows? Are mine art, who knows? Is this a fun thread to wake up to? I think so.

W.G. Hogan wrote:
I am smarter than a speeding bullet, faster than a tall building, able to derail a locomotive thread in a single bound.

Man, I will pummel you with my inadequecies.  I will crush you with my failings.  I will pick up that used Victoria's Secret, roll the sticky motha' up and bitch slap you with it.

I am everything I ever said I wasn't.

Hell yes, I'm a fraud..

Shouldn't that be WG Hogans?

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Do you make crappy pictures and then defend them by calling them art? Do you call yourself an artist but don't know the names of any famous artists? Do you say you don't need to be famous to be an artist when you read questions like this? Have you never cracked open an art history book to see what went on or is going on in the art community because your such a great artist yourself you don't need to? You might have found out that El Grecco was the first person to use Unsharp Masking in a painting in the 16th century or that Seurat by proxy invented the television and the pixel. Have you never studied perspective such as that illustrated so wonderfully by Escher because you already have a filter that does it for you? Do you spend a lot of time in the bathroom with a Victoria's Secret catalog telling yourself, "I could shoot that", but you wind up ruining the pages and having to throw out your inspiration? Do you just shoot crappy shit that has no merit because you simply wanted to see a girl with no clothes on and maybe get laid but when your feet are held to the fire you drag out the art card? You know the art card, absolutely everyone on the planet owns one. They're real cheap and easy to get a hold of. No school, no study, no knowledge, no discipline, no experience needed. Just point and shoot and call it art and defy anyone to tell you different and if they do tell you different call them an elitist  Neanderthal. Is this you?


Edit... So far the responses have been predictable and too few! 08:52:00

I seem to recall that other renaissance painters also used the edge-enhancement techniques so often cited as developed by El Greco, but that could be old age and faulty memory.

OTOH, while I do make crappy pictures, I don't call them art. And if I called myself an artist, though (which I don't), why would it make a difference if I knew the names of "famous artists"?

I will admit I've let my subscription to Art & Antiques magazine lapse, and haven't picked up many new art books in recent years, but the first was because the magazine was boring, and the second was due to lack of space.  (Besides, a dozen pre-Raphaelite books, and a handful on each of various renaissance painters has been enough for my purposes to date--I'm not much of a pointillist, expressionist, or impressionist. And Dali is beyond my capabilities.)

Having a bad day, Bob?

Bob Randall Photography wrote:

Your being disingenuous, your pictures are beautifully executed and they look beautiful. Are they art, who knows? Are mine art, who knows? Is this a fun thread to wake up to? I think so.

Thanks for the kind words. Indeed, what is art. I guess it's one of those things that someone can only say for themselves, such as is this a good book, do I like this song. Trying to categorise 'art' per se is futile, I would have thought.

Yaocihuatl wrote:
I'm sorry if I'm just adding to the predictable responses, but somehow I don't think any GWCs are gonna pop outta the woodworks and admit that they identify with your opening paragraph...   I'd love to see it though!

It's not really GWC's I was asking. Most of the guys I talk to that are beginners or just happy with the fun they have with a camera think stuff like this thread is silly, which it is.

Illustrated Imagery wrote:
Bob...You need to get a life. By the looks of things based on the nuber of posts you've made you do not take photographs you just post drivel to try and get a rise out of people.

Totaly pointless post, what a joke.

See ya, don't want to be ya!

You are missing the point entirely. I think up insane shit to post so that people will notice my avatar and go to my MM site to see what I'm up to. Then they send me a tag or email or something else and I maybe get to work with them or sometimes become friends with them. I've worked with wonderful models here because of my stunts and I have a number of new friends that I talk with on the phone or email with. We discuss many things including photography.

You absolutely want to be me. Your just afraid to admit it.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Seurat by proxy invented the television and the pixel.

You forgot to mention that one afternoon (I think it was a Sunday), he also invented the Pixelate filter.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Do you make crappy pictures and then defend them by calling them art? Do you call yourself an artist but don't know the names of any famous artists? Do you say you don't need to be famous to be an artist when you read questions like this? Have you never cracked open an art history book to see what went on or is going on in the art community because your such a great artist yourself you don't need to? You might have found out that El Grecco was the first person to use Unsharp Masking in a painting in the 16th century or that Seurat by proxy invented the television and the pixel. Have you never studied perspective such as that illustrated so wonderfully by Escher because you already have a filter that does it for you? Do you spend a lot of time in the bathroom with a Victoria's Secret catalog telling yourself, "I could shoot that",

You had me dead to rights up to this part.

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
but you wind up ruining the pages and having to throw out your inspiration? Do you just shoot crappy shit that has no merit because you simply wanted to see a girl with no clothes on and maybe get laid but when your feet are held to the fire you drag out the art card? You know the art card, absolutely everyone on the planet owns one. They're real cheap and easy to get a hold of. No school, no study, no knowledge, no discipline, no experience needed. Just point and shoot and call it art and defy anyone to tell you different and if they do tell you different call them an elitist  Neanderthal. Is this you?


Edit... So far the responses have been predictable and too few! 08:52:00

Artisnotanaccident wrote:
Another Bob Randall thread  to wake up to... where's the inuendo... did I miss it?  There's no talk of toilets yet, is there?

No toilets so far, but are we having fun and has it helped to forget the miserable debates down the hall in the bondage suites?

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
Do you make crappy pictures and then defend them by calling them art?

WHy yes, I do.  But I'm willing to learn to not be a fraud.  Anyone wanna grab my hand and lead me to the non-fraud section.

Last art book I looked at was,,, well I can't even remember the guy's name, but it was in 1980 something.  We all start somewhere, and I rather enjoy playing catch up after starting at the back of the line. 

Bob Randall Photography wrote:
No toilets so far, but are we having fun and has it helped to forget the miserable debates down the hall in the bondage suites?

Oh, I don't debate bondage... not in that thread.

Fluffytek wrote:
Bob, why is the guy in your avatar blowing his nose on his sweater?

It's better than wipping it on his hand.

JcphotogWP wrote:

WHy yes, I do.  But I'm willing to learn to not be a fraud.  Anyone wanna grab my hand and lead me to the non-fraud section.

Not me, I'm staying right where I am so I don't lose my place.