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Photographer

Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Is anyone else seeing this? Models and Photograpers with second profiles involved in the adult industry.

Had one model insist she wouldn't do nudes or even swimsuits. Flaked on me a couple times, then showed up on a site doing HC porn. I can't fault her for doing it. I understand she was paid well. I assume you can't do this for long before someone figures it out though. Why not be honest up front?

Sep 07 06 11:22 pm Link

Model

Mz Machina

Posts: 1754

Chicago, Illinois, US

I dont like porn on the side , it looks so much better with us babes up top.

Sep 07 06 11:25 pm Link

Photographer

J Schumacher

Posts: 1220

Gustine, California, US

If you supersize your porn side, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Sep 07 06 11:27 pm Link

Photographer

Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

CareLyn Anita wrote:
I dont like porn on the side , it looks so much better with us babes up top.

I knew someone would do that. big_smile

Sep 07 06 11:27 pm Link

Photographer

Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

J Schumacher wrote:
If you supersize your porn side, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Good thing if you are getting paid

Sep 07 06 11:31 pm Link

Model

MelissaLynnette LaDiva

Posts: 50816

Leawood, Kansas, US

ADGibson wrote:
Is anyone else seeing this? Models and Photograpers with second profiles involved in the adult industry.

Had one model insist she wouldn't do nudes or even swimsuits. Flaked on me a couple times, then showed up on a site doing HC porn. I can't fault her for doing it. I understand she was paid well. I assume you can't do this for long before someone figures it out though. Why not be honest up front?

Maybe she felt she's naked enough already.  I knew a girl who did porn for awhile but wouldn't have sex with a "normal" guy off set.  People are quirky.

Sep 07 06 11:32 pm Link

Photographer

photosbydmp

Posts: 3808

Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia

porn is where the money is, i know it  , i suspect we all do ,  but i am yet to shoot it. maybe next year.

Sep 07 06 11:33 pm Link

Model

Mz Machina

Posts: 1754

Chicago, Illinois, US

Melissa Lynnette wrote:

Maybe she felt she's naked enough already.  I knew a girl who did porn for awhile but wouldn't have sex with a "normal" guy off set.  People are quirky.

wow that's kinda interesting....

quirky indeed , to answer the original Q.
I do know of a few photgraphers actually that have a straight and narrow mm account, pro-name and website and then have another for adult & erotic ....

Sep 07 06 11:36 pm Link

Model

safiraangel

Posts: 295

Killeen, Texas, US

Maybe she wanted to show another side of herself. Just because someone does porn doesn't mean that they just want to be known for that. For instance i do porn, i have no shame about that in the least. i do try to do classy artistic work but that of course is subjective to opinion. Now when you look at my profile i don't talk about that work. Why? Because there's more to me than just that.

Sep 07 06 11:37 pm Link

Photographer

Afinity Photography

Posts: 39

Hagerstown, Maryland, US

ADGibson wrote:
Is anyone else seeing this? Models and Photograpers with second profiles involved in the adult industry.

Had one model insist she wouldn't do nudes or even swimsuits. Flaked on me a couple times, then showed up on a site doing HC porn. I can't fault her for doing it. I understand she was paid well. I assume you can't do this for long before someone figures it out though. Why not be honest up front?

Lol I know several models who act better then thou and then come to find out they are in the nastiest porns. Models who like to think they are internet famous tongue

Sep 07 06 11:37 pm Link

Photographer

nathan combs

Posts: 3687

Waynesboro, Virginia, US

would i photo porn ........

not in to it but if some one contacted me and waved a couple of 1000$s in front of me and i get to keep my copy right and the contract was a good one i would have to say yes i would photo it it is a business deal and nothing more

i think it is different for modals than photographers us as photographers would see a business deal and how much it payed and from the point of view they would be participating a photographer can change there name and no one would know but a model could be recognized

Sep 07 06 11:40 pm Link

Model

Mz Machina

Posts: 1754

Chicago, Illinois, US

safiraangel wrote:
Maybe she wanted to show another side of herself. Just because someone does porn doesn't mean that they just want to be known for that. For instance i do porn, i have no shame about that in the least. i do try to do classy artistic work but that of course is subjective to opinion. Now when you look at my profile i don't talk about that work. Why? Because there's more to me than just that.

Well put ... very cool of you !
It is so easy to get pigeon holed when people know about things like this ....and there -is- so much more.

Sep 07 06 11:43 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

ADGibson wrote:
Is anyone else seeing this? Models and Photograpers with second profiles involved in the adult industry.

Had one model insist she wouldn't do nudes or even swimsuits. Flaked on me a couple times, then showed up on a site doing HC porn. I can't fault her for doing it. I understand she was paid well. I assume you can't do this for long before someone figures it out though. Why not be honest up front?

I didn't think you could have 2 profiles on MM of the same kind.

Sep 07 06 11:46 pm Link

Photographer

nathan combs

Posts: 3687

Waynesboro, Virginia, US

safiraangel wrote:
Maybe she wanted to show another side of herself. Just because someone does porn doesn't mean that they just want to be known for that. For instance i do porn, i have no shame about that in the least. i do try to do classy artistic work but that of course is subjective to opinion. Now when you look at my profile i don't talk about that work. Why? Because there's more to me than just that.

i also 2nd

Sep 07 06 11:46 pm Link

Photographer

Hottraxxs

Posts: 101

San Diego, California, US

I did porn magazines for six years, In the beginning I love it, but after awhile it became very boring. It's hard to explain but the women just wasn't sexy without clothing. Plus the drugs and bodies wasn't that great. most of the nude models didn't take care of themselves. I just lost interests.

Sep 07 06 11:54 pm Link

Photographer

Timothy

Posts: 1618

Madison, Wisconsin, US

ADGibson wrote:
Had one model insist she wouldn't do nudes or even swimsuits. Flaked on me a couple times, then showed up on a site doing HC porn. I can't fault her for doing it. I understand she was paid well. I assume you can't do this for long before someone figures it out though. Why not be honest up front?

A hardcore porno chick woz dishonest and flaked on shoots?! Noooooo. Say it ain't so!! wink

Sep 07 06 11:55 pm Link

Model

CrazyRussianHelicopter

Posts: 3256

Madison, Alabama, US

I want to do!
wait... what is this thread about?

Sep 08 06 12:00 am Link

Photographer

Incident Image

Posts: 342

Los Angeles, California, US

Funny.. I do porn as a main thing, and fashion on the side....

Sep 08 06 12:02 am Link

Photographer

PK Digital Imaging

Posts: 3084

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

*knock knock*

Hi ladies... here's your pizza... who's paying?

-PKD

Sep 08 06 12:04 am Link

Model

Richard Piscitello

Posts: 67

Burbank, California, US

ADGibson wrote:
Is anyone else seeing this? Models and Photograpers with second profiles involved in the adult industry.

Had one model insist she wouldn't do nudes or even swimsuits. Flaked on me a couple times, then showed up on a site doing HC porn. I can't fault her for doing it. I understand she was paid well. I assume you can't do this for long before someone figures it out though. Why not be honest up front?

At first I wasn't going to join in because I thought that everyone was going to make jokes... but now that it's getting serious... my two cents.

I would not participate in a porn.  I have nothing against porn.  I like it.  I just don't want to be in it.

Now... on the flip side.  When I needed money I was a videographer for gay porn.  I'm not gay but I am gay friendly.  $350 for a short day.. usually less than 8 hours... which was great money for me.

I'm not sure why someone would do porn and not want to shoot artistic nudes or even erotic nudes for decent money... not free.  Maybe that person simply didn't want to do it anymore.  It's possible that she did the HC shoot or video before you came to her.  If she did change her mind... she may have been desperate for money.  I've seen people do worse for less.

Just my opinion.

Richard

Sep 08 06 12:11 am Link

Photographer

bear_mkt

Posts: 74

Paramus, New Jersey, US

My favorites are the models who say in their profiles that they won't do nude work, then post pictures with copyrights from adult sites.

Sep 08 06 12:33 am Link

Model

Elizabeth DiPietro

Posts: 6

Atlanta, Georgia, US

First off, I am new here on MM and all I can do is hope that coming out in the open like this will not ruin any possibilities that I may have had here with any photographers here on MM.
I have had my own adult website for over 6 years now, and I have always been upfront (but very professional and respectful) about my main line of work.
It is simple for me: I have never found anyone that will pay as well with my clothes on.
I don't see any reason to hide it either. I realize that people will make assumptions when thet find out about this,but, any open minded person is not goingto be that shallow.
I would just rather everything be out in the open ya know?

Sep 08 06 08:39 am Link

Photographer

Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Elizabeth Russell wrote:
First off, I am new here on MM and all I can do is hope that coming out in the open like this will not ruin any possibilities that I may have had here with any photographers here on MM.
I have had my own adult website for over 6 years now, and I have always been upfront (but very professional and respectful) about my main line of work.
It is simple for me: I have never found anyone that will pay as well with my clothes on.
I don't see any reason to hide it either. I realize that people will make assumptions when thet find out about this,but, any open minded person is not goingto be that shallow.
I would just rather everything be out in the open ya know?

It is great to see someone being honest.

The ones that make assumptions you should ignore. You may only get offered pay for nude work, but you are getting paid. I expect you will get many offers now.

Sep 08 06 06:25 pm Link

Photographer

Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

My feeling is that if you are doing porn,  and using some of the models you contact from here  you are doing   eveyone  a disservice.   I feel that I should not be associated with this site..

Sep 08 06 06:32 pm Link

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Doug Mackay    DMP wrote:
porn is where the money is, i know it  , i suspect we all do ,  but i am yet to shoot it. maybe next year.

Actually, hardcore pays the models more, but at least in the website business, it goes in cycles.  Right now, as long as it is done to the "forumla," certain types of Playboy style sites are selling better than hardcore.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.   What were we talking about, a hardcore model that "no showed" for a fashion gig?  I thought we had beaten "no shows" to death already.

Sep 08 06 06:34 pm Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
I thought we had beaten "no shows" to death already.

*perks* thanks for the theme ideas...

(Runs away giggling with arms flailing)

Sep 08 06 06:36 pm Link

Photographer

Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Harold Rose wrote:
My feeling is that if you are doing porn,  and using some of the models you contact from here  you are doing   eveyone  a disservice.   I feel that I should not be associated with this site..

How so? This is a modeling site. The lines between modeling and adult performance are blured all the time. Many cross over from one to the other. What makes this site so special?

Sep 08 06 06:39 pm Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

Don't care what he/she does on the side.. Doesn't mean they owe me anything they don't want to do.

If it's something you enjoy you probably don't care and wouldn't be hiding it.  If it's what you do to pay rent, then you might understandably want to avoid the grabass that goes on for a schmo that's only offering TFP, anyway..

And knowing me, naked or clothed.. I'll probably just end up taking head shots..  I'm weird that way.

Sep 08 06 06:43 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

I haven't seen much of this.  Which is actually quite unfortunate, as I find the idea of shooting a lil porn here and there to be rather interesting.  Despite a concerted effort, however, my attempts to shoot porn have been, to date, a miserable failure.  Nary a shred of nekkidity in my work yet... not even a stray nipple.  Just a buncha fully-clothed, preppy stuff. 


But I haven't given up hope.  One of these days I'm going to have my chance to shoot some preppy porn...

Sep 08 06 06:50 pm Link

Photographer

Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

W.G. Rowland wrote:
Don't care what he/she does on the side.. Doesn't mean they owe me anything they don't want to do.

If it's something you enjoy you probably don't care and wouldn't be hiding it.  If it's what you do to pay rent, then you might understandably want to avoid the grabass that goes on for a schmo that's only offering TFP, anyway..

And knowing me, naked or clothed.. I'll probably just end up taking head shots..  I'm weird that way.

I think what irked me was the BS on her profile about her limitations and the outright lies she said. Then she comes back a few months later and asks me for work and got upset when I turned her down.

I just wonder how long you can hope to keep up the double life before someone figures it out. If she had been honest in the beginning I would have hired her.

Sep 08 06 06:51 pm Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

ADGibson wrote:

I think what irked me was the BS on her profile about her limitations and the outright lies she said. Then she comes back a few months later and asks me for work and got upset when I turned her down.

I just wonder how long you can hope to keep up the double life before someone figures it out. If she had been honest in the beginning I would have hired her.

You admit you do porn and every grabass GWC in 100 miles will inundate you..  I see where you're coming from, but look at it from her side (or potentially her side, no clue if that was this particular model's reason..)

Just playing devil's advocate.

Sep 08 06 06:53 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

W.G. Rowland wrote:
You admit you do porn and every grabass GWC in 100 miles will inundate you..  I see where you're coming from, but look at it from her side (or potentially her side, no clue if that was this particular model's reason..)

Just playing devil's advocate.

Exactly.  Sort of a "Don't call us.  We'll call you." kind of thing...

Sep 08 06 07:00 pm Link

Photographer

Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

W.G. Rowland wrote:

You admit you do porn and every grabass GWC in 100 miles will inundate you..  I see where you're coming from, but look at it from her side (or potentially her side, no clue if that was this particular model's reason..)

Just playing devil's advocate.

That's no problem. I do appreciate you doing so.

She had double profiles the whole time though. One she was doing porn off of and the other she would only do fashion.

Sep 08 06 07:00 pm Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

ADGibson wrote:

That's no problem. I do appreciate you doing so.

She had double profiles the whole time though. One she was doing porn off of and the other she would only do fashion.

Same name/contact info?

Sep 08 06 07:12 pm Link

Photographer

Vivus Hussein Denuo

Posts: 64211

New York, New York, US

It's on the side now?  I gotta get out more.

Sep 08 06 07:12 pm Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

Vivus Denuo wrote:
It's on the side now?  I gotta get out more.

Or at least roll over once in a while.

Sep 08 06 07:14 pm Link

Model

Beauty of Tiferet

Posts: 533

Cleveland, Ohio, US

I did what some might term porn, but some might not when I first started out back in '92-'93. There was no insertion, but there was "pink." And everything was posed (it was for magazines). Never actually made out with the other girls as the "High Priestess of a Sex Majick Cult," or anything like that. Worked with Michael Rosen in SF and was a cover model for the Spectator doing Japanese Bondage work.

BUT...

It was over 12 years ago and I think the time has run out for me in doing that. Which is why my profile states that I no longer want to go that route. My friend Safira and I started a rated-R site because of that very thing. I want to pose, I don't mind posing topless, but I just do NOT want to do full on hardcore. It's not where I am at 37.

So, if she's a flake that's one thing, but if she was trying to build a fashion portfolio and thus had two portfolios in order to try to keep from ONLY getting GWC and artistic nude work I can completely understand that.

As others have said, money is nice, but to be only known as a porn model makes it very difficult. My husband is PROUD of the work I did back then. He thinks it's great that I've been in books and in art shows and all that. That I was not only the first cover model for Girlfriends (with a friend of mine), but also the subscription card was a close up! But people see the Close Shave and the High Society and they think of them in terms of now and not back then.

So it's actually, in my mind, smart of her to have the two separate ones. The deliniation, if you would...

Sep 08 06 07:27 pm Link

Photographer

Doug Lester

Posts: 10591

Atlanta, Georgia, US

For what it's worth, I've been around the internet model/photography forums since only two of them existed, when a 3rd came onto the scene, many of us wondered if a 3rd forum was really necessary. I mention this to say there is nothing new about models having two personas, most often in different names. It comes as absolutely no surprise and it's nothing new that some models who do porn in one name do legit modeling in another name. There is a long history of that extendin gback long befor the internet came into being. And shocking as it might be, a handful are even professional 'escorts' in a different name, ie the one who emailed me her hourly and day rates, then added her "overnight rates", in case I might be interested. Also, I hate to let the secret out, but there are even some photographers who shoot porn and other stuff, in a different name, on the forums.

Thus it is and thus it has always been!

I don't shoot porn, at least not for public consumption, I simply prefer to be known as a legitimate figurative artist rather than a porn artist. However, in my private commissions what the model/client wants is what they get. I've done private shoots with everyone from engineers, students and MDs to porn actresses and 'escorts', including a few with net models who "do not do nudes".

So what's the problem? is there any sort of legal or ethical requirement that a model expose the darker sides of their lives to everyone who has access to a computer?  If a lady does porn and you are discussing a glamour or fashion shoot with her, what's the problem? I frankly doubt that many photographers here are going to be shooting  a product label for Ivory Snow! Because we schedule a shoot with a model, are we entitled to know every aspect of her life? I think not, every woman, model or not,  is entitled to her secrets.

Sep 08 06 07:30 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

I'd like to try directing porn, if only to help improve the acting. Well, not only, I'd want to be paid too.

Sep 08 06 07:36 pm Link

Model

CrazyRussianHelicopter

Posts: 3256

Madison, Alabama, US

A More Fashionable Ched wrote:
I'd like to try directing porn, if only to help improve the acting. Well, not only, I'd want to be paid too.

Let's see.... a lipsitck fetish?
he-he (kidding, kidding, Mr. Moderator)

Sep 08 06 08:00 pm Link