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I believe art reflects times and artists are the leading edge of the society; a mirror communities. back when I was young we used to call ourselves childrenâs of flower. make love and rally for peace â¦you know the story. its very supervising (and disturbing) for me to see many young models have interest in photos of annihilation and self mutilation: looking for dark images⦠so form age of âyellow Submarineâ to age of âSuicide Girlsâ. is mankind Doomed? where did we go wrong? Sep 02 06 07:18 pm Link Yes! We are doomed and we will all die!!!  Sep 02 06 07:20 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: Yes. OnePixArt wrote: Disco. Sep 02 06 07:21 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: Lunchables. Sep 02 06 07:28 pm Link yes we doomed!! i should admit that i am one of those... looking for dark images! Sep 02 06 07:28 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: I couldn't agree more! Sep 02 06 07:29 pm Link doomed the moment one starts thinking of oneself as an artist or implies cultural relevance. God, if such exists, has its plan. If it does not exist, then I'll be damned if I want my fate in the hands of self-proclaimed artists! Sep 02 06 07:33 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: Mankind has ALWAYS had an undercurrent of "doom"...while you were picking flowers and listening and watching "Yellow Submerine" others were holding rifles, flame throwers, and the like while another part of the population were enjoying the golden age of gothic horror and swingin' (as well as violent) sexploitation films, looking at arists like Eric Stanton, R. Crumb, Guido Crepax, Andy Warhol, and listening to the Velvet Undergound, The Stooges, Can, early Kluster, and the like...it's always been there...you just were not looking. Sep 02 06 07:35 pm Link Have you seen the Suicide Girls site? It's just softcore porn for non-Playboy types. The girls have some piercings and tatoos. It's not like they're actually committing suicide. Their business practices aside, I'd call SG a healthier form of sexual exploration than FHM or Maxim. Sep 02 06 07:36 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: "Flower Child" Sep 02 06 07:37 pm Link If you want to see a doomed mankind, study some Hieronymus Bosch. Sep 02 06 07:38 pm Link Glenn Francis wrote: Nicely stated! Sep 02 06 07:40 pm Link one thing i know about mankind is that self annihilation is always waiting to occur by our hands or by natures but for some reason it hasn't happened yet. zombie burger anyone? Sep 02 06 07:42 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: Barney. Sep 02 06 07:46 pm Link aenux wrote: But didn't the Teletubbies kinda redeem us?? = ) Sep 02 06 07:48 pm Link where did we go wrong? Seriously? When you had children and raised them according to DR. Spock. When you forgot about the kids when you were high. When you and your spouse went to work and left the kids at home(latchkey). Where? Come on! When you kept all the jobs because your peers that were smarter, stole from your portfolios and and left your 401K worthless. When we realized that it was not about free love, but greed and selfishness now reflected through eyes of hatred and discontent. Sep 02 06 07:52 pm Link When we allowed our rights to be traded for a false sense of security. Sep 02 06 08:01 pm Link I am a tad bit confused here.... when refering to art and it's reflection on society 1960's versus contempory; you seem to have the view that dark images, mutilation et al is something new.... something that has been a recent bent in art. You must have never seen meathouse or witkin... both whose work was very dark, very subversive, very cruel in their vision... Both of this golden age of flowers and peace seekers that you so sublimely reflect on. Humanity has always been tortured by it's own mortality; it is something that you can see reflected in art going back thousands of years. The dark images that you feel are new.... and reflective of some impending doom.... similar ones can be found in centuries old catholic churches in europe. I myself choose to focus on dispair, sorrow, haunting images.... for a few reasons... one being that I feel too often that our society likes to paint over these things... to white wash them... to shove them under the carpet so that wont be seen. I want to highlight the truth of our small time here, because I think too many people rush through their lives ignoring the fact that their end is sweeping towards them. Sobering thoughts yes... fatalism? Never. My work says take life by the cheekfuls, to enjoy both the sweet parts and the bitter. To enjoy every ragged breath... every pain, every sorrow, every laugh... to accept life in everything that it is. The models that I work with are not people looking for dark images... they are looking for outlets that are reflective of the truth that is in them. Not everything is sunshine and butterflies and yellowsubmaries..... To tell yourself such is to live a life only half way. Sep 02 06 08:14 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: Have you ever truly looked at a photo of something grisly? Something horrible? Have you ever tried to see the beauty of the rich red of blood and tried to really appreciate it? The emotion that something extreme pulls forth from deep in your soul? Have you ever really appreciated sadness? Just appreciated the fact that you can feel anything at all? It's easy to find the beauty in pretty things...it's right there on the surface. Some of us want to find the beauty that's hidden below the surface. The deeper beauty. The beauty in everything. That's why I like darker themed things...it's harder to find the beauty...so you don't take it for granted when you find it. Read The Giver...if you take away all the bad you have nothing to compare the good to anymore and it all ceases to exist. It's all sameness. I'd rather have good and bad. I want both. You can't ignore one and expect the other to stick around. Sep 02 06 08:24 pm Link Image K THANK YOU! aenux Barney for sure!  McKenzie Bros Photo Interestingâ¦â¦. CareLyn Anita Spot On! "Those who would give up ESSENTIAL LIBERTY to purchase a little TEMPORARY SAFETY, deserve neither LIBERTY nor SAFETY." -commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin but most likely authored by Richard Jackson in a book 'published' by Ben Franklin. -Glenn Sep 02 06 08:38 pm Link To "go wrong" would be to presume that things had ordinarily "gone right". Documentation would refute it. Sep 02 06 08:39 pm Link TV Sep 02 06 08:56 pm Link UdoR wrote: Did you have to remind me? Sep 02 06 08:58 pm Link good point... on another note , I am fond of darker imagery and art... and find it visually soothing. Sep 02 06 08:59 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: Wrong? Sep 02 06 09:16 pm Link they have it too easy..? or expected it easier...? they hate themsleves and everyone else and want to validate or make it Art? they are into what their elders weren't (or hoped to transform?) it's all nonsense anyway! Sep 02 06 10:09 pm Link Sep 03 06 11:11 am Link Collin J. Rae wrote: Don't kid yourself. They are the Teletubbies of the apocolypse! Sep 03 06 12:28 pm Link thank you all for your passionate and humorous replies. mostly unexpected and quite educational. 1. the idea that âsomething has gone wrongâ comes from my heart: you work hard in your life hoping to leave the planet a better place for next generation. well looking at all the pain, fear and ⦠apparently not so. donât make mistake we had expressions of body mutilation/deformation but it was rather expressed in very abstract: one of the best sample is Picasso cubism (my favorites was the âAbstract Expressionistâ: Jackson Pollack andâ¦). 2. also consider the sixties flower children and use of drags and⦠were all a reaction to its times. 3. I do believe that: this was a golden age of consciousness resulting to art like âyellow submarineâ. and some questions if you will: which one was more effective: the âBeatleâs Yellow Submarineâ or âPicassoâs Guernicaâ ? how aware are you for the effects your work has on psychic of your viewer? and finally why I have started this tread: if politics & economy affects art, and changes it; can this be reversed; art changing the life? by being conscious in what we do? .m Sep 04 06 12:13 pm Link I think in generally it's the result of a "no stress" society - Stress suddenly became a bad word. No one's expected to push themselves harder or achieve anything really worthwhile. Mommy and Daddy are quick to say, "Well, sweety, if it's too hard, don't worry about it". So, we're suddenly faced with all of this idle time on our hands to find out our own way of garnining attention. Since in general the physical and mental standards for finding a mate have decreased vastly, it just makes it easier to put yourself out there, barking that you're hot because you're "pained" and "different", and be quick to mock people who actually have potential. -David. Sep 04 06 12:16 pm Link We took reason, fault, and accountability from ourselves. If the McDonald's Coffee incident didn't make it clear enough... I'll say it right out: Think. Sep 04 06 12:25 pm Link David's response is a good point, i think like too easy! not enough to get teeth into? or too disappointed.... Sep 04 06 01:29 pm Link Sorry for this post but somebody has to say it: I blame Bush. Sep 04 06 01:33 pm Link David Lucas wrote: not sure if I understand? Sep 04 06 01:34 pm Link CareLyn Anita wrote: Right on Girl! Sep 04 06 01:35 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: The Beatles, actually. They pretty much ruined everything. Sep 04 06 01:38 pm Link no stress? i know exactly what he means effort is frowned upon or never needed to get by especially, v bright young people, thinking they are superior then "is this all there is?" kids see others being given everything or are spoilt themseves they grow up some - expect the world and either are not willing to work for it & are pissed off they havent got all they want or work for it and get knocked back - then they are shocked miserable and self pitying cant deal with it Actually I'd say this is the other side of the EGO kids who are sooooo 'panderred to' they think they are the BOM etc '' i deserve more '' if others are not respected ultimately, they cant respect themselves either or they never get enough, feel hard done by get depressed get into the vibe of it think ''They are all despicable people'' & only relate to others as 'anti life; as themselves etc its a fashion Sep 04 06 01:46 pm Link Teletubbies of the apocalypse! HA HA HA! That reminds me of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man coming to destroy Manhattan. Such an indignant way to go... like being run over by a Smart Car. Anyway. The person who posted Guernica had it exactly right. Fascination with the elements of destruction is simply reflecting the human interest in what's around us, and there has always been death and decay and mutilation. SO much art has depicted it throughout history. Furthermore, I think this need we have to say that things right now are so much worse than they've ever been, or that we're heading for some inexorable doom, is really just an impulse we have as insignificant human beings on this tiny little planet spinning thru infinite space to make ourselves feel like we are the LAST ones, and we MATTER. The whole of history has culminated in US. No apocalypse here, alas. Not even from purple plush children's characters. Sep 04 06 01:47 pm Link Did you stop to think that maybe the promotion and use of drugs in the 60's and 70's was an internal expression of ''annihilation and self mutilation''? Sep 04 06 01:48 pm Link MsChris wrote: in this tread I will not blame anyone else. Sep 04 06 01:51 pm Link |
