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OnePixArt wrote: Okay fine, Sep 04 06 03:11 pm Link Melvin Moten Jr wrote: hahh naaaa it was ELVIS....= 0 ) Sep 04 06 03:15 pm Link oldguysrule wrote: I could do a good job of imaging some wings on you, they would fool just about everyone. Sep 04 06 03:15 pm Link UdoR wrote: And pay taxes. The only 2 guarantees in life. Sep 04 06 03:18 pm Link Where did we ever go right? Sep 04 06 06:05 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: no answer to my main question? Sep 04 06 06:25 pm Link OnePixArt wrote: You've got to make wholesomeness and goodness more sexy. Look at my port for an example. Sep 05 06 03:14 am Link Our culture pains me more then poking a needle through my flesh does. It is not mutilation. Mutilation is; 1. to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts: Vandals mutilated the painting. 2. to deprive (a person or animal) of a limb or other essential part. My flesh heals - meanwhile our "civilization" destroys us. We all have bigger issues to abridge to. Or at least I do. Sep 05 06 03:42 am Link YOU HAVE SOME NICE IMAGES NATALIE - I RESPECT THEM ALTHOUGH MAYBE 'nice' IS THE WRONG WORD ;-) ITS NOT LIKE I DISLIKE GOTH ETC ETC QUITE THE REVERSE ITS NOT LIKE I 'M NOT INTO INDUSTRIAL LOOKS (NOT MUSIC, USUALLY) THO I CANT SAY THE 'GORE' IS OF ANY VALUE TO ME... I'm not into Horror Personally... I CAN SEE WHAT op IS SAYING THE QUESTION WAS what effect do images have? When i look at the dark hurt, pain, intentionally blank or sad eyes, power issues and misery of certain images its not helping MY psyche I can easily confirm that. YES it makes a statement Those kind of images often just trying to shock those who are turned off by them or outdo the images / styles of someone else, who is turned on by them niether one really makes the image ART but if the thought behind it is to move the observer we might say it is Thats subjective, after all. Images that say 'I SUFFER' or merely 'I glamourise sufferring...' maybe can still be Art Images that say ' Look at me intentionally sufferring' or the like are self indulgent ... That is sometimes the purpose of 'Art' too LOL Uplifting others is the main purpose I am on Earth I also find I need others to uplift me. Thats sometimes very hard The ''civilisation''' that I have is a crowded threatening and sometimes hurtful or scary one depending upon how individuals (or authorities) choose to treat me.... The civilization I create is an explorative, supportive and respectful one. Unless you or i am waaay off balance! I'd say the ''civilization'' we have in CA and in the west generally could do with much improvement - and there are countless individuals and organisations working toward this - why not decide to become one of them? Merely indulging in self pity or self grandiosement or glamorising horror for example shows a lack of excitement in ones own life and a lack of understanding of human emotions, one might argue... Doesn't seem to be helping civilization, as far as I can see! The images that make one appreciate life or get a reaction from more than just the voyerism in us... Those are the powerful art images I'd say. As for civilization?? Remember what we have!! I am extremely grateful for all the efforts of all the people involved in getting stuff, food (and other items) grown transported prepared wrapped or ready for me in stores and restaurants! They even clean it up for me! I love valet parking, I love street fairs, concerts, music. I love artists! I love to shop and have whatever things to buy (yes, that's an area where we cause damage to the planet and we over consume but I appreciate it) What's ther alternative - think post neuclear and hey,let me know if you'd prefer that. ;-) Go out to Somalia Uganda any war torn oppressed nation (or just a place with no computers) and complain about civilization destroying you That's something no one but yourself can really do Families can hurt and damage, ex lovers can hurt and damage Drugs damage yes But what about the places with no transport, phones, hospitals No recreation, no stores, no work options, no opportunity to follow hobbies like photography or whatever Civilization is doing great!!! I went to RED China and they had very little too enjoy in terms of civilization ad a wrose regime. They still had each other and they could still love fight draw sing etc etc We all have radios, refrifgerator a/c come on! We even have cameras videos etc and we now have 'What the bleep..' and 'An inconveient truth' etc to enlighten us We can pull togther if we choose What about Bhuddism? what about yoga! Musical instruments and people who make them orm play them -I appreciate you! Roads and cars that lead to each other, and beaches, awesome! Sunsets and firepits, freedom to make our own tribes wow Lets hear it for civilization I dont want to till fields all day or walk miles to a bingo hall for fun! What about Nigeria or anywhere with really corrupted politics and blood stained people.... I saw a local young man's head just left lying in the street while kiddies walked by There's really no glamour in that. Plenty of blood though. We become what we focus on Please consider this in relation to the OP queation. That is choice. I think the OP was wonderring why we would choose to focus on cutting, puncturing, pain, darkness...negativity. Criticism or complaint as a culture just to decry, rather than change Maybe lack of connection to the positive explains the lack of interest in some of it.... What is uplifting exciting sexy etc doesn't have to be depressing in its effect!! The effect of thoughts images words actions etc does spread like a ripple It affects us all, on some level What is so destructive about Natalie's 'civilization' (for example) one has to ask....& what did we expect on a silver platter? I just hope we can make something worthwhile out of our opprtunities (hopes hopes) Peace Namaste Sep 06 06 07:36 am Link Beatiful Ms. Brit , although i like moody b/w's and darker imagery it is the fantastical aspect of it that hits my subconscious.. on another note ... Boohbah! Gotta love em , psychedelic and sublime.... i can hear them singing Booooh bahhhh ... oh my how bizarre is that really for kids? Sep 06 06 07:45 am Link yeah But u got me there Carrie - what is??? Sep 06 06 07:47 am Link Anjel Britt wrote: Boohbah is a childrens program , not unlike teletubbies, but much much cooler...super psychedelic. Sep 06 06 07:56 am Link CareLyn Anita wrote: Boohbah are little penis people...creepy as hell. Sep 06 06 07:59 am Link ;-) Go go psychedelic! ( I blame the Beatles too ) Sep 06 06 07:59 am Link OnePixArt wrote: English has quite a few words for art consciously intended to effect change: political cant, polemic, propoganda, satire. Sep 06 06 08:04 am Link What is so destructive you ask? Well; hunger, overpopulation, apathy, suffering of animals, rainforests getting chopped down.... just to name a few. Uplifting others is definitely important to me too, and so is educating people so they don't continue living in blissful ignorance. And look down on people who have different views -even when their views arenât so different and are actually rooted in ancient culture. One of your positives with civilization are having people preparing food - in ancient culture we could just walk up to a tree and grab our own food, not have to work all day to buy a meal that others had to slave for. It is not "glamorizing suffering..." or any of that crap - its feeling. pain is just one of our many feelings and I embrace all of them. Through pain and suffering one gains strength and knowledge. It is art; it is raw emotions coming through. Not of just pain but of power - it gives me personally power and strength to make a difference in this world. Sep 06 06 01:41 pm Link In a word... selfishness. When people become more concerned for themselves than others. Adhering to the Golden Rule would solve much of the world's problems. Sep 06 06 01:52 pm Link Collin J. Rae wrote: Elves? What do elves have to do with it! :S Sep 06 06 02:02 pm Link Sep 06 06 02:03 pm Link OK how does number four make a difference? its difference to me is depressing effect like the OP raised that young people are posing rather than doing something to better the world perhaps! NB Unless your ''selfgrusomating'' image raises money or awareness for a specific probelm you guys are really fooling yoursleves!! Yes there are many places (I have travelled to so they ARE there still!) where food grows on trees but no one can just GRAB at it regularly for themselves or their families, any more than in the past! There were sytems for barter of services and goods and this is, thankfully, still possible today I suggest work with those who support improvement - in the world problems you mentioned of course - rather than spending that energy creating more depressing images that glamourise and promote a state of mind that is really self indulgent nonsense OH THE WORLD HAS PROBLEMS LOOK HOW GHASTLY I LOOK BECAUSE OF IT ALL AND U LIVE IN USA Anyone your age with your ideas might get a lot out of working on a kibbituz Sep 07 06 05:29 am Link The Wandering Bohemian wrote: Doomed...over! "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?" Sep 07 06 05:34 am Link Ancient_East wrote: I've got a few you can look at. I'd have even more if you were in one or two of them! Sep 07 06 05:36 am Link I am creating art and if anyone is too ignorant to see that, then they can F- off. I spend allot of my time and existence trying to better this world, and benighted people like you who refuse to see a need for change just slow me down. Your "arguement" dosn't even make sense. You are a waste of my time and energy. Continue to live in apathy. To answer the main question, yes we are doomed if things contine the way they are, man is destructive by nature. But someone choosing to "harm" themselves should really be a non issue. - It's nothing new. Sep 07 06 01:47 pm Link there are so many of us working for good it is my full time thing when im awake ;-) and i am not as energetic as many others or as influential there are so many wonderful people even my 88 year old aunt still builds homes far away for 'habitat for humanity' i dont think human kind is doomed what a silly notion! individuals are sufferring the Earth needs our help and its getting it lets rally more! remember to see beyond limited time and space!! i am very hopeful about the future of ALL spirit and the people whom i know and admire who are not at all destructive Sep 07 06 03:16 pm Link commart wrote: well said. thank you. Sep 08 06 10:33 am Link it greatly pains me to see two beautiful woman, living a few miles away, both working to a improve the society⦠get at each other like this⦠perhaps âmisunderstandingâ is what got us to where we are to begin with. once you become âa positionâ on what you do, then the is no deference between you and a fundamentalist religion freaks. much love .m Sep 08 06 10:46 am Link steady on luv! xox Sep 08 06 12:19 pm Link |
