Jim Ball wrote:
Now, what am I gonna do with all the damn food and drink I bought to feed them? :^)

If I didn't have plans for the day I would come help you get rid of the food and drink

Wayne Sclesky

wolff wrote:
Been there done that !!!   I have ceased to rent or do a  down payment on anything these days. 



Mac

Well, small advantage for me:  My wife & I will be spending the night, so it will be a little quiet weekend retreat for us now that most of those rowdy, noisy models aren't going to be there. :-)

MUAKansas wrote:
Sorry to hear that Jim, I hope they show up for you..If not so late of a notice we might have been able to help you out.  Weekend road trips are fun.

yeah, too bad.  We would enjoy having you.  We are shooting just about two hours drive due East of Wichita (St. Paul, Ks.), and will shoot until 8:00 pm or so this evening.  It's not too late for you to make it!   I put up a couple of casting calls two of three weeks ago, but didn't get mnuch of any response except from the one "manager."  (Aren't they supposed to be banned from MM?)

Wayne Sclesky wrote:

If I didn't have plans for the day I would come help you get rid of the food and drink

Wayne Sclesky

Hey Wayne!  You'd be welcome too!  I thought you hung out mostly over on MWM&P forum?  Whatcha doing over here? :-)

Miguel A wrote:
Move on

Call some friends, to see if they want to shoot, at this point i will shoot my dogs if I have to, so it is not a totally lost.

Eat the food and have a good time,

Buy some take out boxes and you will have food for a while.

Never, never spend money on a situation like this if you are not sure that the models are realiable. You must work with people that you already know.

Maybe you need to consider to pay the models next time if this is a important project for you.

It was set up as a fun shoot.  I'm not out a great deal of money and that's not the issue.  I'm not even complaining, but just relating a story that is all too common.

I've worked with most of the models before.  Two of the three that are coming I've worked with.  The one that canceled for a paid shoot, I've also worked with.

The three remaining models will be great fun to work with and the shoot will still be a success.

keithg wrote:
Ah the state of things..

Wish I were closer we could do lunch with all the food.

There aught to be some e-bay like rating system so models and photographers are held accountable for their behavior.  Instead the lessons have to be individually learned.  I can't tell you the number of models who rudely simply evaporate instead of a simple "No thank you" note.  Then again I don't need to tell you.  You are there.

I feel your pain.

Keith

hehe.  You are a ways down there!  Actually, one of the models is coming from Tulsa though.

Adrienne Aurora wrote:
We should all start taking bets on the remaining 3 models. Will they show up? Cancel last minute? Never hear from them again?

Well, here we sit at the Bed & Breakfast still waiting for the models to show up.  The one who wanted to come early because she had to leave at 6:00 pm has been a no show, no call, so do not know what happened to her.  As of last night, she intended to be here early today.

I've been on the phone with the other two.  One who was driving a distance took a wrong turn but is back on the road and is 45 minutes out.  The good thing is she has a friend with her.  The other model got off work at 4:00 pm and should be here any minute.  It's a one hour drive from her home.  So, still hoping......

keithg wrote:
Ah the state of things..

Wish I were closer we could do lunch with all the food.

There aught to be some e-bay like rating system so models and photographers are held accountable for their behavior.  Instead the lessons have to be individually learned.  I can't tell you the number of models who rudely simply evaporate instead of a simple "No thank you" note.  Then again I don't need to tell you.  You are there.

I feel your pain.

Keith

This is actually a really good idea. I vote for the rating system, lol.  What's funny is the models who evaporate on me with no explanation for TFP towards the date and ended up having to face me again for something paid.  I always say to treat all of what you agree to do the same way cause you never know how you might come across that person later on.

Miguel A wrote:
Never, never spend money on a situation like this if you are not sure that the models are realiable. You must work with people that you already know.

Exactly. If I had to pay for something like this, then I'm going to use a combination of models I KNOW are going to show up, as well as a couple of models I haven't worked with. The fact that you are spending the night with the wife is a plus. Now, as far as the food is concerned... LOL

VRG Photography wrote:

Exactly. If I had to pay for something like this, then I'm going to use a combination of models I KNOW are going to show up, as well as a couple of models I haven't worked with. The fact that you are spending the night with the wife is a plus. Now, as far as the food is concerned... LOL

The only model that showed up for this shoot is one neither myself nor Marvin has ever worked with.  She's been great & she brought a friend.  All the no-shows and cancels except one were models we have worked with before.  There were only two no-show, no-calls.

Meagan Colf wrote:
All this really gives a sincere model a bad rep! I had read your casting call in the forum and if there had not been any conflicts I was going to see about getting more info!

Too bad on those models parts! They missed shooting with someone who has a great port!

How did the pics come out?

Someone had posted  about a rating system. Might not be a bad idea really!

Meagan,

You are definitely invited to our next shoot.  It might be a little while before we do it again here, but we will try again.  The location is just too good to abandon.

Jim Ball wrote:

The only model that showed up for this shoot is one neither myself nor Marvin has ever worked with.  She's been great & she brought a friend.  All the no-shows and cancels except one were models we have worked with before.  There were only two no-show, no-calls.

Damn.

So much for THAT theory.

Cosette wrote:
I want to express my sincerest apologies for not making it. Work had me there until 7pm, but I did get a hold of you and now I seriously need to rethink this working, modeling, school, and being a mother thing. I am running on empty and I am so discouraged at this point that I don't know what to do. I want to work with you again, and very soon. Just like I want to work with Marvin again. Brooke wants to as well.. and if I have to plan the next thing, so help me, I will! And if it just so happens to be in the Home Depot parking lot..so be it..at least I will be there.

But thank you Jim and Marvin.. You two are more than just photographers, you are friends.. at that is why I am even more upset by this whole ordeal.

Cosette,

I assign no blame to you at all.  We were on the phone with each other throughout the day and I was made aware of your situation.  We will work together again, and soon. 

To fellow MM readers:  Cosette is very brave to step forward here and identify herself.  She is a great model and a great person.  The last time I spoke with her on the phone yesterday, she sounded close to tears.  I have no hesitation working with her again.  I never named names with the others, and have no intentions of doing so.  Most of the models DID let me know in advance that they would not be there.  That advance notice varied frome a week to a few days to less than 24 hours.  As I stated, there were only two no-show, no calls.  One of them has a history of doing that, so I wasn't surprised by her.  The other has not had a chance to answer why she didn't show or call, so I will reserve judgement.

The purpose of my original post was not to bash models, but to just let people know how the best laid plans can go completely to pieces.

On a positive note, Alyssa came all the way from Blue Springs, Missouri,  brought a friend, and had a great time!

Now it is time for me to go pack away my lights and gear and head for home.  I'm typing this on my notebook in the kitchen of the B&B.  Who knows, maybe one of the nosho's got her dates mixed up and will show up before I leave! :^P  (ever the optimist...)

Mayanlee wrote:
1 outta 7..... ouch.

Two, if you want to count her friend.  Her friend had never modeled before, was understandably nervous at first, but loosened up quick and had a great time.  Thanks to my wife, Wanda, for helping them feel comfortable.

I'm the one that needs to apologize to Alyssa and friend.  Their drive took longer than planned and they didn't arrive until 6:30 pm.  By then, my stress level was high, I was getting tired, and I did not give them the attention they deserved.  By 10:00 pm I couldn't think or see straight.  We did get some good work done though before my creativity fuse burned out..  Fortunately, Eveready Marvin was able to do justice to both ladies and worked with them until well after midnight.  They left with some excellent photos in the can.

Jim Ball wrote:

Two, if you want to count her friend.  Her friend had never modeled before, was understandably nervous at first, but loosened up quick and had a great time.  Thanks to my wife, Wanda, for helping them feel comfortable.

I'm the one that needs to apologize to Alyssa and friend.  Their drive took longer than planned and they didn't arrive until 6:30 pm.  By then, my strsse level was high, I was getting tired, and I did not give them the attention they deserved.  By 10:00 pm I couldn't think or see straight.  We did get some good work done though before my creativity fuse burned out..  Fortunately, Eveready Marvin was able to do justice to both ladies and worked with them until well after midnight.  They left with some excellent photos in the can.

Glad that you got 2 models.
When are we going to see your images from the shoot?
What happened with all the food?

Miguel A wrote:
Glad that you got 2 models.
When are we going to see your images from the shoot?
What happened with all the food?

Well, I knew far enough in advance that all 7 would not e there, so some of it went in the freezer to cook & eat later.  The soft drinks will not go to waste either.

I'll have some sample images from the shoot later tonight or in the next day or so.  I'll post them in this thread.

John Valdez wrote:
oh man...

hey if nobody shows up, just throw a huge party...hugh hefner style


=-)

I've done that!  A bit off topic, but I also do competition barbeque cookoffs.  There's always an enormous amount of barbequed brisket, ribs, pulled pork and chicken left over after a competition.  I usually haul it in to the office the Monday after the event and feed everyone. :-)

Jim Ball wrote:

Well, small advantage for me:  My wife & I will be spending the night, so it will be a little quiet weekend retreat for us now that most of those rowdy, noisy models aren't going to be there. :-)

Yeah who needs rowdy models anyways? I'm off to pick up a CD from a shoot yesterday where the model DID show up; this afternoon's shoot is I think history! Model was SO excited Thursday too!

Least I am not out anything!

Ken