Photographer
J Schumacher
Posts: 1220
Gustine, California, US
So, I was thinking about this today.
There's a number of reasons why I don't consider myself a professional photographer. And, I'm happy about that. You know why?
Because:
I can do tfcd any time that I want.
I can let models bring escorts if they so choose.
I don't have to have the latest, top of the line equipment. But I can, if I want to.
I don't need to make fun of new models trying to start a career, and smite them in their little hearts.
I can work (work?) on short notice, and not pretend I'm too booked up to bother with you because you're not a "professional" model. (separate topic, I'll leave that one alone.)
I don't have to care too much about whether my photo's are "correct" or not; I can just make images that I like.
O, and horrors: I can share the copyrights of the images with the models. Equally. Because I feel it's a shared creativity. Any profits are shared, too. (though that's an infrequent thing, since as a NON pro, I don't feel the need to sell my stuff.)
So, as a non-pro, I can just sit back, have fun, help people build their portfolios, and have a good time.
And I can ignore all the flames I've just drawn upon myself, too.
(sticks tongue out)
By the way, I class Pro Photographer as someone who's only source of income is from their photographer. And they live in a decent manner.
(and not ALL "Pro, I'm so pro" photographers pick on inexperienced models and make them cry, either. Just some.)
Photographer
alexwh
Posts: 3104
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
There should be one definition for a professional photographer that should be written in stone.
A professional photographer shoots on demand, and will produce one useable photograph with no excuses.
As a magazine photographer, as an example, you might go and see a design director of photo editor with a beautiful portfolio. In the end, you might get a job (it will be based on years of experience by the editor and or director) only after they look at you in the eye and feel that if they assign you to do something you will come back with results.
Alexwh
Model
CrazyRussianHelicopter
Posts: 3256
Madison, Alabama, US
Is that a self advertisement for TFCD? (JUST KIDDING!) 
Photographer
Photos By Deej
Posts: 1508
Tumwater, Washington, US
I totally agree with everything you said except "I don't need to make fun of new models trying to start a career, and smite them in their little hearts. " Not sure what that means.
Digital Artist
Koray
Posts: 6720
Ankara, Ankara, Turkey
you are not a pro photographer cause: - you take blurry pictures...*edit - oh wait they are not blurry...they are photoshopped wow...you tricked me there  - except one image in your port your stuff is boring - your website looks like its made in early 90's - many of your images are not or weakly post processed - you take pictures of new models and just make them look funny hell yes I hate those big-ego-pro-photogs.... I really do. I'm not a pro either
Photographer
D. Brian Nelson
Posts: 5477
Rapid City, South Dakota, US
On my last professional gig I was required to provide twelve usable images on demand. Freelance nightlife coverage for the San Diego Union-Tribune website.
That said, I'm not a professional photographer because I really didn't like doing exactly what some AD told me to do. (That was the advertising part. The rest was OK, but didn't pay as well as advertising.)
So now I'm an amateur with another way entirely to make a living.
-Don
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
J Schumacher wrote:
By the way, I class Pro Photographer as someone who's only source of income is from their photographer. And they live in a decent manner. So the fact that I've already made as much money as I need and don't NEED a source of income means I can never be a professional photographer, ever?
Man, that sucks.
Photographer
J Schumacher
Posts: 1220
Gustine, California, US
Photographer
J Schumacher
Posts: 1220
Gustine, California, US
Christopher Ambler wrote:
So the fact that I've already made as much money as I need and don't NEED a source of income means I can never be a professional photographer, ever?
Man, that sucks. Yep.
You May Have Been a pro photographer once. Now you're a professional bum, if you don't need any money.
And the rest of us are very, very jealous.
Photographer
Ivan S Harris
Posts: 96
San Diego, California, US
damn, I guess Im a pro...I don't do anything else but Photography, BUT my moneys not THERE!! LOL
Photographer
Jaime Ibarra
Posts: 312
Austin, Texas, US
J Schumacher wrote:
I don't have to care too much about whether my photo's are "correct" or not; I can just make images that I like. Nor do you care about your abuse of the apostrophe "s".
Allow me to educate you:
1. Plural nouns = NO apostrophe, "s" only. Example: mistakes
2. If you have to add an "es" to make the word plural, then there is STILL NO APOSTROPHE! Example: lenses
3. Possessive = apostrophe before the "s". Example: this photographer's pet peeve
4. Plural AND possessive = apostrophe AFTER the "s" (this one is tricky). Example: those guys' punctuation mistakes
5. If the plural doesn't end in "s," the apostrophe comes before the "s". Example: children's television
6. When conjugating verbs in the third person singular = NO APOSTROPHE. Example: it costs you nothing.
7. An exception to the possessive rule is "it."
a. With a possessive "it," there is NO APOSTROPHE. Example: the cat licked its balls.
b. You only use an apostrophe with "it" when you are forming the contraction it is = it's
c. I will make an exception to my general rule of extreme perturbance in the case of its/it's. Yes, I know, it's hard.
8. Finally, an apostrophe is used to form other contractions: cannot = can't, is not = isn't, etc.
A little lesson that a lot of people here can benefit from 
Photographer
Vance C McDaniel
Posts: 7609
Los Angeles, California, US
J Schumacher wrote:
So, I was thinking about this today.
There's a number of reasons why I don't consider myself a professional photographer. And, I'm happy about that. You know why?
Because:
I can do tfcd any time that I want.
I can let models bring escorts if they so choose.
I don't have to have the latest, top of the line equipment. But I can, if I want to.
I don't need to make fun of new models trying to start a career, and smite them in their little hearts.
I can work (work?) on short notice, and not pretend I'm too booked up to bother with you because you're not a "professional" model. (separate topic, I'll leave that one alone.)
I don't have to care too much about whether my photo's are "correct" or not; I can just make images that I like.
O, and horrors: I can share the copyrights of the images with the models. Equally. Because I feel it's a shared creativity. Any profits are shared, too. (though that's an infrequent thing, since as a NON pro, I don't feel the need to sell my stuff.)
So, as a non-pro, I can just sit back, have fun, help people build their portfolios, and have a good time.
And I can ignore all the flames I've just drawn upon myself, too.
(sticks tongue out)
By the way, I class Pro Photographer as someone who's only source of income is from their photographer. And they live in a decent manner.
(and not ALL "Pro, I'm so pro" photographers pick on inexperienced models and make them cry, either. Just some.) Let's see..
I AM A pro Photgrapher and you are not only cracking me up with your blanket statements..but you are proving you are not a PROFESSIONAL minded photgrapher, nor a true loving artist.
Also you are making statements at the expence of others to pump yourself up. If I were you, I would FOCUS on your images and not starting pointless discussions that are primarily about you. Then again, it's Mayhem and almost anything goes.
As a self proclaimed NON pro, I wonder what it is you were trying to get accross.
I, of course; looked at your portfolio and I agree. You are certainly making images you like.
Keep up the great work..and by all means keep uplifting this wonderful hobby/profesion with your words of wisdom and kindness.
:-)
Photographer
oldguysrule
Posts: 6129
alexwh wrote:
There should be one definition for a professional photographer that should be written in stone.
A professional photographer shoots on demand, and will produce one useable photograph with no excuses.
As a magazine photographer, as an example, you might go and see a design director of photo editor with a beautiful portfolio. In the end, you might get a job (it will be based on years of experience by the editor and or director) only after they look at you in the eye and feel that if they assign you to do something you will come back with results.
Alexwh God bless a useable definition
Photographer
Vance C McDaniel
Posts: 7609
Los Angeles, California, US
oldguysrule wrote:
God bless a useable definition What? No wood chipper? I hate you !
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13462
Tacoma, Washington, US
alexwh wrote:
There should be one definition for a professional photographer that should be written in stone.
A professional photographer shoots on demand, and will produce one useable photograph with no excuses.
As a magazine photographer, as an example, you might go and see a design director of photo editor with a beautiful portfolio. In the end, you might get a job (it will be based on years of experience by the editor and or director) only after they look at you in the eye and feel that if they assign you to do something you will come back with results.
Alexwh What about shooting live performances where you don't get a chance to move a light or add a gel or fix the hair.
*smiles* I shoot for the fun of it and am having a great time.
Photographer
oldguysrule
Posts: 6129
J Schumacher wrote:
I don't need to make fun of new models trying to start a career, and smite them in their little hearts. I never 'make fun'. If I 'smite them in their little hearts', its because they've been lied to all their lives and I won't jump on the bandwagon. It's a cruel world. I wasn't coddled thank God. I won't coddle others.
Photographer
albertaphotog
Posts: 375
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
You may not be a professional photographer, but you are sure selling something.
Photographer
Golden Light
Posts: 951
Miami, Florida, US
J Schumacher wrote:
So, I was thinking about this today.
There's a number of reasons why I don't consider myself a professional photographer. And, I'm happy about that. You know why?
Because:
I can do tfcd any time that I want.
I can let models bring escorts if they so choose.
I don't have to have the latest, top of the line equipment. But I can, if I want to.
I don't need to make fun of new models trying to start a career, and smite them in their little hearts.
I can work (work?) on short notice, and not pretend I'm too booked up to bother with you because you're not a "professional" model. (separate topic, I'll leave that one alone.)
I don't have to care too much about whether my photo's are "correct" or not; I can just make images that I like.
O, and horrors: I can share the copyrights of the images with the models. Equally. Because I feel it's a shared creativity. Any profits are shared, too. (though that's an infrequent thing, since as a NON pro, I don't feel the need to sell my stuff.)
So, as a non-pro, I can just sit back, have fun, help people build their portfolios, and have a good time.
And I can ignore all the flames I've just drawn upon myself, too.
(sticks tongue out)
By the way, I class Pro Photographer as someone who's only source of income is from their photographer. And they live in a decent manner.
(and not ALL "Pro, I'm so pro" photographers pick on inexperienced models and make them cry, either. Just some.) You make it sound so hard to be a non-pro. All I got to do is take crappy photos and not get payed. It is so easy that way.
Photographer
Obaryu
Posts: 36
Beulaville, North Carolina, US
Craig Thomson wrote:
*smiles* I shoot for the fun of it and am having a great time.[/quote wrote:
Im with you on that one. Yeah its work, but personally I enjoy it. Everyone has there opinion sure. But for me, lets keep it fun. Ive said it before and Ill say it again--Artists need a sense of humor in their trade in order to be well balanced. Or they just act like dicks. {And no Im not speaking of anyone in particular, its a general observation.[this is for the people with no sense of humor]}
Peace...
Photographer
Jamie Baker
Posts: 317
Palo Alto, California, US
Jaime Ibarra wrote:
Nor do you care about your abuse of the apostrophe "s".
Allow me to educate you:
1. Plural nouns = NO apostrophe, "s" only. Example: mistakes
2. If you have to add an "es" to make the word plural, then there is STILL NO APOSTROPHE! Example: lenses
3. Possessive = apostrophe before the "s". Example: this photographer's pet peeve
4. Plural AND possessive = apostrophe AFTER the "s" (this one is tricky). Example: those guys' punctuation mistakes
5. If the plural doesn't end in "s," the apostrophe comes before the "s". Example: children's television
6. When conjugating verbs in the third person singular = NO APOSTROPHE. Example: it costs you nothing.
7. An exception to the possessive rule is "it."
a. With a possessive "it," there is NO APOSTROPHE. Example: the cat licked its balls.
b. You only use an apostrophe with "it" when you are forming the contraction it is = it's
c. I will make an exception to my general rule of extreme perturbance in the case of its/it's. Yes, I know, it's hard.
8. Finally, an apostrophe is used to form other contractions: cannot = can't, is not = isn't, etc.
A little lesson that a lot of people here can benefit from Thanks.
I was in need of review.
Model
Aurora Natrix
Posts: 458
Miami, Florida, US
Jaime Ibarra wrote:
Nor do you care about your abuse of the apostrophe "s".
Allow me to educate you:
1. Plural nouns = NO apostrophe, "s" only. Example: mistakes
2. If you have to add an "es" to make the word plural, then there is STILL NO APOSTROPHE! Example: lenses
3. Possessive = apostrophe before the "s". Example: this photographer's pet peeve
4. Plural AND possessive = apostrophe AFTER the "s" (this one is tricky). Example: those guys' punctuation mistakes
5. If the plural doesn't end in "s," the apostrophe comes before the "s". Example: children's television
6. When conjugating verbs in the third person singular = NO APOSTROPHE. Example: it costs you nothing.
7. An exception to the possessive rule is "it."
a. With a possessive "it," there is NO APOSTROPHE. Example: the cat licked its balls.
b. You only use an apostrophe with "it" when you are forming the contraction it is = it's
c. I will make an exception to my general rule of extreme perturbance in the case of its/it's. Yes, I know, it's hard.
8. Finally, an apostrophe is used to form other contractions: cannot = can't, is not = isn't, etc.
A little lesson that a lot of people here can benefit from I sincerely hope that you have a sense of humour....
...but you really set yourself up for this one! The last time that I checked an emoticon was not a proper grammatical form of punctuation. I'm aware that exclamation marks, full-stops/periods, and question marks are all used to end sentences, but I've never heard of a smiley face completing a sentence. Please don't bother reviewing my grammar because I know I'm bloody useless in that department!
Don't take me too seriously. It's all in good fun.
Photographer
Vance C McDaniel
Posts: 7609
Los Angeles, California, US
Owen Albertson wrote:
Craig Thomson wrote:
*smiles* I shoot for the fun of it and am having a great time.[/quote wrote:
Im with you on that one. Yeah its work, but personally I enjoy it. Everyone has there opinion sure. But for me, lets keep it fun. Ive said it before and Ill say it again--Artists need a sense of humor in their trade in order to be well balanced. Or they just act like dicks. {And no Im not speaking of anyone in particular, its a general observation.[this is for the people with no sense of humor]}
Peace... sense of humor? OH! Like a Polka Dotted WOOD CHIPPER? ..Now that's funny!
Photographer
GDS Photos
Posts: 3399
London, England, United Kingdom
Please no more amateur versus pro, "I'm an artist you're are whore" or "I get paid therefore am better than you" posts.
Professionals get paid and good luck to them. they also get "hobby time" to shoot non-commercial stuff that interests them too.
Amateurs can be as talented as professionals or technically proficient. It's not a big deal.
Your post reads like an advertisment and as such has attracted some critical comments. You may not have meant this when you started this thread but when you post here you have to be ready fro critiques on the quality and style of your work. This is a good thing if you can learn from the constructive ones and not be angered by the plain bitchy ones.
p.s. I think I got my apostrophes right.
Photographer
dodgy photography
Posts: 318
San Francisco, California, US
gdsandy wrote:
Professionals get paid and good luck to them. they also get "hobby time" to shoot non-commercial stuff that interests them too.. There's no line in the sand. If you demostrate some talent then you may sell some work. You may choose to take it further. I'm a "semi-pro", photography is not not my main source of income, but it is a substantial part of it. And the paying work is either news shots for a weekly newspaper or promo pics for bands. That's cool. I do the best I can in either case and people pay me.
And I also do shoots for fun, or for "art" and don't expect to see a dime from it, though I'll take every shoot as learning experience.
Why get on a high horse? Photography means different things to different people.
Photographer
Obaryu
Posts: 36
Beulaville, North Carolina, US
Vance wrote:
Owen Albertson wrote:
Craig Thomson wrote:
*smiles* I shoot for the fun of it and am having a great time.[/quote wrote:
Im with you on that one. Yeah its work, but personally I enjoy it. Everyone has there opinion sure. But for me, lets keep it fun. Ive said it before and Ill say it again--Artists need a sense of humor in their trade in order to be well balanced. Or they just act like dicks. {And no Im not speaking of anyone in particular, its a general observation.[this is for the people with no sense of humor]}
Peace... sense of humor? OH! Like a Polka Dotted WOOD CHIPPER? ..Now that's funny! Yes, very.
Photographer
Obaryu
Posts: 36
Beulaville, North Carolina, US
I wonder how many of these little windows we can make?
Now thats funny. Actually its annoying. Im gonna stop now I promise...nevermind.
Makeup Artist
BeautyByIsis
Posts: 583
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
oldguysrule wrote:
I never 'make fun'. If I 'smite them in their little hearts', its because they've been lied to all their lives and I won't jump on the bandwagon. It's a cruel world. I wasn't coddled thank God. I won't coddle others.
Photographer
Magic Image Photography
Posts: 3606
Temple City, California, US
Questions and Answers most Models ask me.
Hey it's the Magic Man sending out a check list on some of the questions some models I shoot with ask me and some of the answers I would love to give them but can't. So I made up my own answers to those questions. Smile and have a nice day.
And Yes I do think I am a very Pro Photographer.
Q-Where did you learn to do your Photography?
A-I was walking by a photography class after attending my Medical Surjury class and said hey this looks intressting.
Q-How long have you been takeing pictuers.
A-I took my first picture from my aunts house. It was a pictuer of me and my cousin Nancy makeing out and pretending we were married.
Q-How big is your Camera.
A-It's very big and it has a strap and I some times have to use both hands cus of my big zoom lens,
Q-What are you gonna use the pictuers that you are taking of me.
A-I will post them on Model Mayhem and Myspace. Only if I like the way you came out but if you came out Nasty I will post them on One Model Place where no one will ever see them.
Q-Will you have food for me and something to drink?
A-Yes. I have running water fromf my sink. Bring your own glass and I will save some of my lunch scraps for you.
Q-I have never been photographed Nakied will you photograph me nakied.
A-I will have to pass on this one. I am to much of a Gentleman to answer such a childish question. You can go change over in this room. Don't mind all the video cameras they don't work Really. Trust me.
Q-What will I get if we do a photoshoot.
A-You will be lucky if you get out of my place alive hehehehe hoooowa. But yes you will get something from me. Just make sure you let me know what your doctor says when you go visit him or her.
Q-How long will it take for me to get my CD or Prints.
A-Silly girl hehehehe. Check your mail box by the 32nd of this month.
Q-Can I bring a Friend with me.
A-Yes of course. And if she is hotter than you don't get mad if I shoot all my film on her. (I'm still old school, i use film too)
Q-I have always wanted to do a photoshoot with my boyfriend, can you take lots of pictuers of the both of us.
A-Yes in your dreams. Now move on.
Q-I have only lingerie and see through stuff is that OK?
A-Yes i have a few lil items myself. Mainly that's all I have hehehehe. Plus my girlfriend always takes it afterwards.
Q-I'm only 17 years old can we do nudes. I will be 18 in two weeks.
A-Yes I will see you in two weeks.
Q-I want to look like a Movie Star on all of my pictuers. Can you do that.
A-Yes I know how to use Photoshop like a Pro. I can cut off Marilyn Monroes body and add your face or vis versa.
Q-What's a Models Release form.
A-That is a form that allows me to release you after the photoshoot.
Q-Do you provide Make Up and Hair.
A-The only make up I have is Noxzema face lotion for pimples. And a few wigs I got from yard sale.
Q-Do you think I'm to fat to be a model.
A-There is a Market for Plus size Models. It's right around the corner from here. Can you go and get me a few bags of Corn chips and toilet paper.
Q-I lost all of my CD's you gave me can you make me more copies.
A-Yes, of course here is a copie of my bill for Mail, gas and shipping charges CD case and packaging. Plus time spent looking for your images.
Q-I shot with this amazeing photographer last week. He took me out to dinner after our shoot. He gave me lots of outfits to wear and keep. He gave me lots of photographs and CD's of every thing that we shot. Plus he gave me Gas money too. And paid me $100.00 an hour to model for him. What will you give me if I shoot with you.
A-Like the French say. Miert Miert Miert and more Miert.
Q-I can only model on weekends. I have a life and a job durring the week.
A-Call me when you become a real model.
Q-Hey! it's been four weeks since we shoot. When are you gonna give me my CD and Pictuers.
A-As soon as I get my lil ass to download them and put them on a CD for you. How's Next Month on the 32nd sound to you.
Q-What does TFP mean.
A- It means Take For Pills and call me in the morning. Or it could mean That's Franks Pizza but some times it mean Time for Prints.
Q-Have you ever photographed a model while she was on that time of the month.
A-Like the English would say. Bloody right! Good show and all that good stuff. Cheerio. Pipp Pipp, Telly Hoe old girl.
Q-How much longer are we gonna shoot.
A-As soon as I find out how to use this Digital Camera I just bought.
Q-It's getting late can we shoot some other time.
A. Yes, next time when I say come down at 10 am so we can shoot till 3pm. Make sure you don't show up around 2:45pm
Well that's it for now. Take care and hope you all enjoyed it. Please add comments. Come on you can do it. If you read this and took the time, Take a few more seconds and add comments. But if you don't feel like it. It's Kewl,
The Magic Man
Photographer
59899
Posts: 477
New York, New York, US
-if people arent pros, its simply coz theyre not good enough at all facets of their job as a photgrapher.
-those who have to 'tell' u they are a pro (ie. using the word 'professional' in their business name or title), usually know they arent, but they like to think they are, so they say it to try to convince other people.....
-real pros just are.....and the title of 'pro' would only ever be tagged onto them by other people.
Photographer
shotbytim
Posts: 1040
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US
The art and the business of photography are entirely different animals. Professionals have mastered the business and may have actually mastered the art, too. "Amateur" doesn't have to be a disparaging term. It's possible for a person to be a fine artist without the desire or skill to manage the business.
Photographer
Glenn Francis
Posts: 347
Los Angeles, California, US
The reasons I'm not a "professional" Lifeguard 1). I donât have to actually âknowâ anything about saving someoneâs life. (Those classes are sooooooo boring). 2). I donât have any set hours â (no sitting in a tower when itâs cold or windy). 3). I donât have to know how to swim. (since I couldnât rescue anyone anyway, why bother learning) 4). I donât have to know how to tie a bowline (The rabbit comes out of the hole around the tree and then back down his hole â and the rabbit is the running end of the rope - then tie a figure-eight stopper knot- left handed, right handed, over handed, underhandedâ¦. ) WTF??? 5. I can inspect all the chicks to determine if they are using the proper strength sunscreen to protect from sunburn. I can also assist in applying lotion to areas I see not covered. 6). All I have to know is how to throw one of those round orange floating thingys and remember to hold her nose while Iâm kissing her, I mean, giving mouth to mouth resuscitation. 7). With my binoculars, I can safely observe the chicks who untie their bikini strings in the back, and determine whether anything shows when they rise up to drink their smoothies. ![https://www.nsvl.org.uk/images/beach_lifeguard_binoculars_ecu.jpg]() 8). When I say Iâm a lifeguard, itâs easy to find chicks whoâll volunteer to help me practice my simulated rescue breathing and CPR techniques. -Glenn
Photographer
FKVPhotography
Posts: 30064
Ocala, Florida, US
I'm just a guy who needs to make mortgage payments, car payment, utility payments, buy food, put gas in my car and all the other mundane things we do every day.
I just happen to love photography and get paid for it.
Am I a professional? Or am I a good businessman who knows how to market what he knows?
Photographer
J Schumacher
Posts: 1220
Gustine, California, US
Jaime Ibarra wrote:
Nor do you care about your abuse of the apostrophe "s".
Allow me to educate you:
1. Plural nouns = NO apostrophe, "s" only. Example: mistakes O, damn. You caught me. (actually that was just a typo, though. and yes, I know "o" is not a word, but I grew up in Montana, so I can type as illiterately as I choose. It's local color.)
Photographer
J Schumacher
Posts: 1220
Gustine, California, US
shotbytim wrote:
The art and the business of photography are entirely different animals. Professionals have mastered the business and may have actually mastered the art, too. "Amateur" doesn't have to be a disparaging term. It's possible for a person to be a fine artist without the desire or skill to manage the business. Aaaa, pierces to the heart of the matter. Yep, that's the point. And mostly, I was bored, so I poked the hornet nest with a stick.
Although I still feel bad when a new model signs on, puts up her "I'm here" post, and some of you guys tell her to get a job at McDonalds 'cause she'll never be a model. You don't have to kill OR coddle her, just leave her alone if you feel that way; if it's true, she'll find out gradually.
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
J Schumacher wrote:
So, I was thinking about this today.
There's a number of reasons why I don't consider myself a professional photographer. And, I'm happy about that. You know why?
Because:
bla bla bla You know... everything you describe here is a "wannabe" professional photographer.
Personally, I don't know anybody who is in the real world and media professional who thinks like the people you describe above.
The only thing that is rather true is that most professionals I know won't share copyright... I give reproductions rights to the model I shoot, transfer of copyrights is reserved for buyouts for good money.
Otherwise, you listed so many points that qualifies as unprofessional
Photographer
Vance C McDaniel
Posts: 7609
Los Angeles, California, US
gavin oneill wrote:
-those who have to 'tell' u they are a pro (ie. using the word 'professional' in their business name or title), usually know they arent, but they like to think they are, so they say it to try to convince other people.....
-real pros just are.....and the title of 'pro' would only ever be tagged onto them by other people. HUH?
Using terns like.. Professonal..Certified..Authenticated...Liscenced....etc..are term Professional people put in Job tittles and such as TERMS used to give potential clients a feeling of confidence.
How many corporations are going to hire a company who promotes themselves as Novice or "just starting out? Not very many...We have these terms and titles in the business world for a reason..It has nothing to do with egos////at least not soely..
My professional .02$
Photographer
J Schumacher
Posts: 1220
Gustine, California, US
FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
I'm just a guy who needs to make mortgage payments, car payment, utility payments, buy food, put gas in my car and all the other mundane things we do every day.
I just happen to love photography and get paid for it.
Am I a professional? Or am I a good businessman who knows how to market what he knows? Yes. Yes you are. By my (MY, you have your own) definition, if photography is paying all your bills, your a a professional. Your profession is photography.
For the benefit of some of you snarly others, even if you're not posting, just thinking about it:
Aa, never mind. Fire at will. I'm not even gonna finish the statement.
Photographer
Tom Newman
Posts: 8
Raleigh, North Carolina, US
My .02... just because someone gets paid for your photography and may be considered a "pro" still doesn't mean that person takes any good pictures. I've seen flat, underexposed, and mis-framed pictures from supposed "pros".
In my book it comes down to your book for me to consider you a "pro" or not.
T-
ps. Wouldn't it be great if they did an "apprentice"-style show with a bunch of amateur photographers?
Model
pegasusmaiden
Posts: 190
West Sacramento, California, US
Jaime Ibarra wrote:
Nor do you care about your abuse of the apostrophe "s".
Allow me to educate you:
1. Plural nouns = NO apostrophe, "s" only. Example: mistakes
2. If you have to add an "es" to make the word plural, then there is STILL NO APOSTROPHE! Example: lenses
3. Possessive = apostrophe before the "s". Example: this photographer's pet peeve
4. Plural AND possessive = apostrophe AFTER the "s" (this one is tricky). Example: those guys' punctuation mistakes
5. If the plural doesn't end in "s," the apostrophe comes before the "s". Example: children's television
6. When conjugating verbs in the third person singular = NO APOSTROPHE. Example: it costs you nothing.
7. An exception to the possessive rule is "it."
a. With a possessive "it," there is NO APOSTROPHE. Example: the cat licked its balls.
b. You only use an apostrophe with "it" when you are forming the contraction it is = it's
c. I will make an exception to my general rule of extreme perturbance in the case of its/it's. Yes, I know, it's hard.
8. Finally, an apostrophe is used to form other contractions: cannot = can't, is not = isn't, etc.
A little lesson that a lot of people here can benefit from WTF is this an English review site?
You have anything else better to say?
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