Forums > General Industry > I find Craigslist and Myspace better for casting.

Photographer

markEdwardPhoto

Posts: 1398

Trumbull, Connecticut, US

I have found that using Craigslist and myspace has been better for castings then any of the modeling sites.

I would have to say that I get 5x to 10x more responses without any drama or negotiating. Also I also find that I get more trained actors/actresses as well as Models.

How about you?

M

Aug 25 06 07:46 am Link

Photographer

Chris Macan

Posts: 12989

HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US

markEdwardPhoto wrote:
I have found that using Craigslist and myspace has been better for castings then any of the modeling sites.

I would have to say that I get 5x to 10x more responses without any drama or negotiating. Also I also find that I get more trained actors/actresses as well as Models.

How about you?

M

I'm doing a project that involves both male and female nudes,
99% of the female models have come from MM, OMP or have been friends,
99% of the Male models have come from craigslist.

So for me it seems different sites work for different types of models.

As for drama,
I get it in small quantities from all area.
But none too bad.

I did like the craigslist model, who pursued me to work on one of my projects,
then showed up at my studio early,
Saw someone hanging out in front of my building,
and decided I had lined up several models with out telling him it was a group shoot and grew so concerned about it that he just kept going,
(The woman hanging out in front was waiting for a theater group that was practicing in another room in my studio)
People are weird and meeting them any where on the Internet only seems to amplify that strangeness)

Aug 25 06 08:16 am Link

Photographer

500 Gigs of Desire

Posts: 3833

New York, New York, US

I agree.
I've been scouring MM for months trying to find just one good model to do some shots like the one this current avatar, and can't find a single candidate. I even pay.

edited:

I stand corrected too. Daniela and I are close to setting up a firm shoot date, and she would work for the sexy edgy B+W Herb Ritts-style beach shots I've been wanting to work on.
I just wish there were a couple more interested models in the NY area.

Aug 25 06 08:26 am Link

Photographer

yani

Posts: 1041

Matawan, New Jersey, US

Drama?

From models?

Wow!

Aug 25 06 08:35 am Link

Photographer

Imago

Posts: 275

Portland, Maine, US

I've had great luck with MM, and great luck with Myspace. I guess it depends on what you're looking for. My experience is that MM seems to have a lower contact to shoot conversion rate than larger social networking sites, although OMP is worse wink Then again, the Internet seems to have a lower conversion rate than just walking up to someone and aksing them to model ... maybe it's time for a return to more real-life contact.

Aug 25 06 08:37 am Link

Model

Jerry_Winsett

Posts: 4

Wilmington, North Carolina, US

I'm new to MM.  In additon to my drive to revive my character modeling career, I am hoping it will be a good spot for me to hire talent.  I have a production company that does Murder Mystery shows all over the South East.  I do pay my performers, and I also like giving new talent a break, people without a lot of former credits.  I made some inquiries here on MM and got no responses (so far).  But I have previously found a lot of my actors/actresses on MySpace.

Aug 25 06 08:40 am Link

Model

hot topic

Posts: 123

Longmont, Colorado, US

I didn't know you could find this kind of work through Myspace and Craiglist.

Interesting!

Where do you go in those sites to find it? I'm intrigued!

Aug 25 06 08:44 am Link

Model

Brittany H

Posts: 381

Beverly Hills, California, US

Eric S. wrote:
I agree.
I've been scouring MM for months trying to find just one good model to do some shots like the one this current avatar, and can't find a single candidate. I even pay.

That's because you aren't looking in LA!  tongue

Aug 25 06 08:45 am Link

Photographer

Imago

Posts: 275

Portland, Maine, US

hot topic wrote:
Where do you go in those sites to find it? I'm intrigued!

On Myspace you can browse users by interest and zip code. I think it's easier for photographers to use, since you can contact anyone - even those that you think would work great but don't list modeling as an interest. I can see it being a little harder for models to find photographers, but I'd give it a try. Do: search, select photography in the networking affiliations, and then in the result screen limit by distance from zip code.

Aug 25 06 09:00 am Link

Photographer

ReallyRandy

Posts: 460

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

On Craigslist I've had luck with a lot of things. Never tried myspace for finding people though. Their search function is kinda wonky. You have to find people in your area and then scour their profile to find their interests. I don't see where I can search by interest. Doesn't myspace have classifieds? They should if they don't.

Aug 25 06 09:11 am Link

Model

Kita St Cyr

Posts: 13934

New York, New York, US

Ssoooo why are you on model mayhem?

Aug 25 06 09:12 am Link

Model

Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Eric S. wrote:
I agree.
I've been scouring MM for months trying to find just one good model to do some shots like the one this current avatar, and can't find a single candidate. I even pay.

Eric- you know I would come out there on a weekend and you wouldn't have to pay me. ;-)

-D

Aug 25 06 09:13 am Link

Model

Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

markEdwardPhoto wrote:
I have found that using Craigslist and myspace has been better for castings then any of the modeling sites.

I would have to say that I get 5x to 10x more responses without any drama or negotiating. Also I also find that I get more trained actors/actresses as well as Models.

How about you?

M

I know a certain photographer that contacted me twice on OMP and I responded the next day...and I'm STILL waiting for a response- any idea who that is Mark??? hm????

Call me por favor ;-)
xo
-D

Aug 25 06 09:14 am Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Santa Barbara, California, US

Daniela V wrote:

I know a certain photographer that contacted me twice on OMP and I responded the next day...and I'm STILL waiting for a response- any idea who that is Mark??? hm????

Call me por favor ;-)
xo
-D

Ooooh.  OUch.

Aug 25 06 09:19 am Link

Photographer

Matthew Allen

Posts: 138

New York, New York, US

That's a pretty good point...  food for thought...

I started out shooting models from CL, and graduated to MM.  Now you have me thinking that I should do both... since MM for me at least is so much work to find someone that I want to shoot that wants to shoot with me.  CL might get more responses from "models" who don't think they're too good for me already!

Go CL Go!  (But I am still a MM addict to a certain degree...)

Aug 25 06 09:27 am Link

Photographer

JNphotography

Posts: 2

Ontario, California, US

I agree!

Aug 25 06 09:29 am Link

Photographer

J Schumacher

Posts: 1220

Gustine, California, US

Wow, you've actually had success with Craigslist? Although I love to shop there, I've had Zero percent success rate, both with clients and models. Most don't even bother to reply.

Aug 25 06 09:34 am Link

Model

Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

I find CL and nycastings.com waaaaaay better than the casting calls on here and MM. I find I get responses 90% of the time, and 50% of the time I end up getting a great job out of it.

Personally, when I see a casting call that I'm interested in, I'm on that like white on rice. I respond immediately, send exactly what I'm supposed to, and offer up references. I hear back from people through MM and OMP about 1% of the time. And typically, nothing happens from that. And when I don't hear back, I follow up and then sometimes I hear back...sometimes.

That rarely happens on CL. For whatever reason, as a model, I have waaay better luck over there than here.

My space though...I find all the great castings are in Cali. And I'm...well, not there.

-D

Aug 25 06 09:36 am Link

Model

AMANDA WAGNER

Posts: 130

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Eric S. wrote:
I agree.
I've been scouring MM for months trying to find just one good model to do some shots like the one this current avatar, and can't find a single candidate. I even pay.

edited:

I stand corrected too. Daniela and I are close to setting up a firm shoot date, and she would work for the sexy edgy B+W Herb Ritts-style beach shots I've been wanting to work on.
I just wish there were a couple more interested models in the NY area.

Eric, your kidding right? Why haven't you asked me to shoot? Of course Im not in NY, but willing to travel when it's paid. Besides I get to shoot with you!

Maybe Im not what your looking for either.

I still luv your work
Amanda

Aug 25 06 09:38 am Link

Photographer

dax

Posts: 1015

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

Amanda W wrote:

Eric, your kidding right? Why haven't you asked me to shoot? Of course Im not in NY, but willing to travel when it's paid. Besides I get to shoot with you!

Maybe Im not what your looking for either.

I still luv your work
Amanda

No, you are what he could use.. Im sure.. You have a great look.. I think your look will work for what he has in mind. wink -but let me not talk for him, lol- Same here.. I would have loved to shoot you but we have not had a chance.. cuz of way things work.. Where as in myspace, u have A LOT more girls to pick from and most of them dont have the diva attitude some girls have here.

Aug 25 06 09:46 am Link

Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

What I find fascinating is when I reply to the same photographer on MM and get no response, but when I reply to his ad on CL, he emails me back. I wouldn't even know where on myspace to look for castings, but occasionally I get offers for things I'd never, ever do there. 

In general, though, I'd say my rate of response is better on sites like MM than on craigs list. Maybe I just haven't learned to discern the wheat from the chaff on CL, but the response rate there is abysmal.

Aug 25 06 09:51 am Link

Photographer

B L O P H O T O

Posts: 472

Chicago, Illinois, US

ditto...I have earned more money from both Craigslist and MySpace combined in the last 4 months, than the last few years on OMP and the last year or so on MM. I do not think the model sites are necessarily geared as such. CL and MS have a broader spectrum of clientel.

markEdwardPhoto wrote:
I have found that using Craigslist and myspace has been better for castings then any of the modeling sites.

I would have to say that I get 5x to 10x more responses without any drama or negotiating. Also I also find that I get more trained actors/actresses as well as Models.

How about you?

M

Aug 25 06 09:55 am Link

Model

Bettina

Posts: 51

Los Angeles, California, US

I showed up at a shoot and the photog surprised me with a second model he picked up from Craig's List. I decided to go with it....we went to change wardrobe and I noticed that the female model had a little something extra that I don't have...a penis and the accessories to go with it. The photog pretended not to notice and shot the model anways. He was unhappy after "She" left...saying it was not cool that she was not truthful in her representation. I guess this could happen anywhere, but MM people seem to be more upfront about what your getting.

Aug 25 06 09:57 am Link

Photographer

SolraK Studios

Posts: 1213

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Bettina wrote:
I showed up at a shoot and the photog surprised me with a second model he picked up from Craig's List. I decided to go with it....we went to change wardrobe and I noticed that the female model had a little something extra that I don't have...a penis and the accessories to go with it. The photog pretended not to notice and shot the model anways. He was unhappy after "She" left...saying it was not cool that she was not truthful in her representation. I guess this could happen anywhere, but MM people seem to be more upfront about what your getting.

OMG !!! I sitting here laughing my arse off........................///////

Aug 25 06 10:07 am Link

Photographer

Matthew Allen

Posts: 138

New York, New York, US

Bettina wrote:
I showed up at a shoot and the photog surprised me with a second model he picked up from Craig's List. I decided to go with it....we went to change wardrobe and I noticed that the female model had a little something extra that I don't have...a penis and the accessories to go with it. The photog pretended not to notice and shot the model anways. He was unhappy after "She" left...saying it was not cool that she was not truthful in her representation. I guess this could happen anywhere, but MM people seem to be more upfront about what your getting.

That could be the most embarassing opps a photog could have...  but I guess some are pretty close and you just can't tell... until they pee standing!  Thanks for sharing!

Aug 25 06 10:51 am Link

Model

Wynd Mulysa

Posts: 8619

Berkeley, California, US

I get most of my work from this website.
If I'm not getting enough work from this website, I post an ad on Craigslist and the problem is solved.
I just opened a myspace for modeling purposes.  I joined some model/photographer groups in my area.  Nothing happened.  How do you guys get work on Myspace?  Do you contact people?  How do I get people to contact me?

Aug 25 06 10:54 am Link

Photographer

American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Bettina wrote:
I showed up at a shoot and the photog surprised me with a second model he picked up from Craig's List. I decided to go with it....we went to change wardrobe and I noticed that the female model had a little something extra that I don't have...a penis and the accessories to go with it. The photog pretended not to notice and shot the model anways. He was unhappy after "She" left...saying it was not cool that she was not truthful in her representation. I guess this could happen anywhere, but MM people seem to be more upfront about what your getting.

Did he have separate dressing rooms for ying, yang and yoon?

Aug 25 06 10:54 am Link

Photographer

Vatic Perceptions Media

Posts: 676

Swanton, Vermont, US

Ive never tried Craigslist before, but I know that the response I get from Myspace is a lot better then on here.  On MM the first thing a model will bring up is money.  I sometimes do some paid shoots, but thats not one of the first things I want to come up in any discussion.  On Myspace its less professional, but for some projects it makes things a LOT easier.

Aug 25 06 10:58 am Link

Photographer

Mortonovich

Posts: 6209

San Diego, California, US

I just gave MySpace another try and I'm sorry but I just can't handle the horrible navigation and the screams of "i LoVe tO fuCKing PaaAArty!!".

Too big a filter is needed for me.

Aug 25 06 10:59 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Bennett

Posts: 2223

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

For me, MM is great for finding models, but sucks for finding MUAs. The Casting Calls feature blows, unless you live around LA. I find browsing with in 50 to 100 miles of my zip works better than the Casting Calls. Do models and MUAs even read the Casting Calls? Any way, I've had better luck with MM than OMP!

Aug 25 06 11:02 am Link

Model

Molly Cf

Posts: 83

Usa, Ōita, Japan

well, if you ever need an actress...wink wink hint hint wink

Aug 25 06 11:09 am Link

Photographer

SayCheeZ!

Posts: 20640

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

So far... the BEST response rate is from employees and customers of a local coffee shop.   Yep.  I sit down and grab some coffee, someone 'sees' what I'm doing and inquires. Before ya know it, they're requesting to set up a shoot with me.

As in any other business that I've been involved in, there really is something about meeting someone face to face in order to close the deal.

Despite having to weed through alot of fakers and frauds on Craigslist, I've got close to a 100% response rate.  Unfortunately for the models, alot of the ads from photographers or 'agencies' are just from some horny guys that are trying to get a hot looking girl to date them or strip for 'em.  It's gotta be really difficult for a model to actually find a legitimate offer through CL.

Sadly, only about 20% of the MM members that I contact regarding a project bother to write back, even to decline an offer, which I feel is not professional conduct.   If someone at least replies to my inquiry (even if they're declining) I will have no problem recommending them to someone else or offering them a different gig to suit their needs when the time comes.   If they never respond (especially if it's for a project that they're requesting) there will never be any recommendations or other offers for them.

For me, Myspace is a complete waste of time.  Putting all of the predators and scammers to the side, there's still too many people pretending to be something they're totally unqualified to be. 

Believe me...Photographers, Models, and Stylists alike... inappropriate attitudes and lack of response can cost someone a chance at obtaining a great gig, without them ever knowing it happens.

Aug 25 06 11:31 am Link

Photographer

Martini

Posts: 343

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

I have found that the best way to get models, is to go to photographer's pages and then follow the links to the models they have worked with, and contact them. It also seems to help when I copy the photographer's profile, word for word, so the model will feel familiar with me.

Aug 25 06 11:35 am Link

Makeup Artist

Mooney Makeup

Posts: 282

Portland, Oregon, US

I always find strange people. Don't get me wrong, I have met some awesome people off craigslist like photographer Rob Howard or Henna Artist Julia Britz smile (who are noth on MM) but usually I meet a lot of ameturs and freaks. One photographer tried to ask me on a date when I replied to his ad! and another had a foot fetish and wanted to pay me $300.00 to come over and use my brushes on the bottom of his feet!...ladies be careful!

Aug 25 06 11:41 am Link

Model

ChristinaS

Posts: 16

Los Angeles, California, US

markEdwardPhoto wrote:
I have found that using Craigslist and myspace has been better for castings then any of the modeling sites.

I would have to say that I get 5x to 10x more responses without any drama or negotiating. Also I also find that I get more trained actors/actresses as well as Models.

How about you?

M

I hate myspace, and gave up on answering their casting. Wayyyy too much competition on myspace!  No one ever emails me back on there!

I have heard some bad things about craigslist actors though...they're bad.

"Unfortunately for the models, alot of the ads from photographers or 'agencies' are just from some horny guys that are trying to get a hot looking girl to date them or strip for 'em.  It's gotta be really difficult for a model to actually find a legitimate offer through CL. "
That is so true! There are people on there looking for escorts, and i saw one recently from a guy who wants a bikini model to pee on him!
Then one time i answered something that seemed normal- a casting for a shoot that will show up in a german magazine...and the guy on the phone kept wanting to tell me about his nude experiencces in HS...I was like wtf???
Then there are the billions of castings for acting that require nude scenes or girls in bikinis and such, and its so hard to seperate whats legit and what is just some guy wanting to jack off, that i just never respond to those assuming they ALL have bad intentions.

Aug 25 06 03:01 pm Link

Photographer

dax

Posts: 1015

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

ChristinaS wrote:

I hate myspace, and gave up on answering their casting. Wayyyy too much competition on myspace!  No one ever emails me back on there!

Jesus... if you think... THAT'S competition... You are in for a surprise honey..

Aug 25 06 03:35 pm Link

Model

ChristinaS

Posts: 16

Los Angeles, California, US

Dax wrote:

Jesus... if you think... THAT'S competition... You are in for a surprise honey..

I'm too short to ever be a "real" model and i know for a fact that MM and craigslist are a lot less competative

Just place an ad on myspace and you will get tons of gorgeous girl who have NEVER modeled before, eager to even PAY YOU to shoot them.

You will not believe how many girls on the myspace message boards have paid for modeling classes and such. They are very naive, therefore yes it is more competative...The models on myspace are willing to pose, pay AND give a blowjob...on sites that are model specific, a lot of the girls tend to know better

Aug 25 06 03:58 pm Link

Model

E Patrick Williams

Posts: 74

Los Angeles, California, US

How do you guys use myspace? I don't trust anyone who posts a casting call on there.

Aug 25 06 04:37 pm Link

Photographer

Martini

Posts: 343

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

ChristinaS wrote:

I'm too short to ever be a "real" model and i know for a fact that MM and craigslist are a lot less competative

Just place an ad on myspace and you will get tons of gorgeous girl who have NEVER modeled before, eager to even PAY YOU to shoot them.

You will not believe how many girls on the myspace message boards have paid for modeling classes and such. They are very naive, therefore yes it is more competative...The models on myspace are willing to pose, pay AND give a blowjob...on sites that are model specific, a lot of the girls tend to know better

Sounds like I should check out myspace a little more closely!

;-}

Aug 25 06 04:38 pm Link

Model

Wynd Mulysa

Posts: 8619

Berkeley, California, US

Where do you find casting calls on myspace?

Aug 25 06 04:39 pm Link