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TRESPASSING (to get that perfect shot)
Am I the only one guilty of ignoring the NO TRESPASSING signs on occasion... *grins* I did it yesterday for the first time, or was it my first, anyways- the setting was perfect and I didn't get caught-even when myself, my model and her assistant were climbing the fence haha Fun times! Aug 20 06 03:32 pm Link On occasion? More so than I wish to count heh heh ![]() Aug 20 06 03:39 pm Link Rules: BCG woulda gotten banned for this. Aug 20 06 03:40 pm Link I ran a stop sign! Aug 20 06 03:43 pm Link There are two extreme types of photographers: Butt-lickers: Obey all rules, check in advance if permits are required, pay for them with a smile if they are. Berate others who question the rules or stand up for photographers' rights. Butt-kickers: Do what it takes to get the shot, rules, fences, and private property be darned. Cheer on those that question authority. Of course its possible to have traits of both in varying degrees. Aug 20 06 03:45 pm Link Digital Soup wrote: You're in California. Aug 20 06 03:46 pm Link I wish it was that easy! Here in New York, where the "if you see something, say something" mindset is being taken to an extreme, law enforcement seem to feel it necessary to investigate every complaint and incident. It is sad, they know that there is no vandalism or destruction of property taking place, but being someplace where you aren't supposed to be can and often does buy you a lot of trouble and heartache. I'm not exactly sure when taking photographs became a crime, but I'm often made to feel like a criminal. Even when I'm not trespassing! Aug 20 06 03:54 pm Link rp_photo wrote: Check out the following (excerpts from Glamourmodels.com forums) L.A. Times wrote: Good old California logic: Aug 20 06 03:54 pm Link ![]() Some of the best beaches to shoot are private... Aug 20 06 03:59 pm Link Tell me about it - I was escorted off of some property here in NY where thousands of people shoot every day because I was "commercial" (which wasn't the case). When I tried to apply for a permit the next day I was informed that it was $800.00 dollars and I needed 2 million dollars worth of insurance! Aug 20 06 04:03 pm Link put on your best blonde model face , apologize profusely. Aug 20 06 04:03 pm Link UnoMundo Photography wrote: ...or try not to speak english and pretend you're a tourist... Aug 20 06 04:10 pm Link You are a nut? There are more registered guns in FLA. than people and I don't like lead in my body! Aug 20 06 06:25 pm Link I got banned from the mall because someone complained about my model and I being "inappropriate." (we weren't, btw) Needless tosay, it's an obsession with me now to keep going back. Rebel ![]() Aug 20 06 06:32 pm Link It's only tresspassing if you get caught! Aug 20 06 06:37 pm Link shoot first, ask questions later.. be careful with that though.... ![]() Aug 20 06 06:38 pm Link J n X Photography wrote: nope that will probably get you arrested as a terorrist not a tourist Aug 20 06 06:43 pm Link Last time this thread came up it was clear I'm in the miniority on this issue. You can talk all you want about "standing up for photographers' rights." The fact is, your rights end at my property line. In the past five years, tresspassers have cost me close to $10,000 because of gates left open, property damage (mostly out of ignorance, but that didn't make it cost any less), and ruined crops. I also shoot nudes for paying clients on my private property, and once a tresspasser stumbled onto a shoot. The client cut the session short and asked for a refund. The cops didn't have time to mess with something as mundane as tresspassing, even though I provided them a very clear photograph of the gulity party. To top it all off, a kid wrecked his 4 wheeler while tresspassing on my property, and his parents tried to say I should pay his hospital bills! If it were up to me, it would be legal to execute tresspassers on the spot. If you think you have a "right" to tresspass to get the shot, you're nothing but an arrogant, immature asshole with no respect for anyone else's rights or property. Grow up and get used to the fact that you live in a civilized society and your rights end where the next person's begin. Aug 20 06 06:48 pm Link J n X Photography wrote: thats hilarious! Aug 20 06 06:50 pm Link DanThePhotoMan wrote: So you risk the model/assistant being injured without adequate medical coverage or potential legal action to take a photo? Aug 20 06 06:54 pm Link Tim Hammond wrote: Start a petition, I'll sign it. Aug 20 06 06:57 pm Link Never would I trespass to get a shot. It's about respect. If you are one of these "rebel" types then post your address. I will be glad to romp through your home and yard with my camera until it's run down. When you complain about it I will remind you that I'm a "rebel" and your rights and privacy mean nothing to me. Aug 20 06 07:14 pm Link ADGibson wrote: I shoot Nikon! Aug 20 06 07:15 pm Link ADGibson wrote: rp_photo wrote: I shoot Remington, Marlin, and Winchester. You'd better hope I'm only carrying a Canon when you come tresspassing here. Aug 20 06 07:23 pm Link I think we can all agree that photographers don't need to and shouldn't trespass, and that there are plenty of public places to shoot. Of greater concern is the increasing restrictions on using public places. Aug 20 06 07:36 pm Link Tim Hammond wrote: That's not a very civilized approach either, although Texas has such laws on the books that go back to cattle rustling and the Old West. Aug 20 06 07:40 pm Link Tim Hammond wrote: ADGibson wrote: I shoot Remington, Marlin, and Winchester. You'd better hope I'm only carrying a Canon when you come tresspassing here. For this I think I would go Benelli. The choice of ammo is amazing. Aug 20 06 07:40 pm Link rp_photo wrote: True, that is a concern. Keep in mind, however, that public doesn't mean unowned. To the contrary, it means owned by the public, which includes you and me. Upkeep costs money (our money), and we also live in an excessively litigious society, so when one dumb photographer gets injured doing something stupid then sues the city/state/fed govt., our money pays the costs. Considering that, I appreciate the managers of public property restricting use of it when they know there are safety hazards there. Likewise, when commercial photographers use public property for work that generates income, doesn't the public (us) have a right to expect that usage of the publics property will be compensated fairly? That's generally the concept behind a permit fee. Aug 20 06 07:59 pm Link Reminder that if it's distinctive private property and you get that once in a lifetime shot, you now have to deal with having no property release, DOH! Aug 20 06 08:06 pm Link Just yesterday I parked, walked to the man's door, knocked and asked for permission to cross his property to get a shot I wanted. He told me to go ahead and was very appreciative that I had asked. He said most people don't. Aug 20 06 08:21 pm Link Vince wrote: That's the core problem. People with no knowledge of photography assume that a photographer is commercial on a whim. It makes about as much sense as barring drivers that have hot-looking cars because they might be there to race! Aug 20 06 08:33 pm Link J n X Photography wrote: Why the heck is she wearing clothes on US Government property? Aug 20 06 08:39 pm Link Being from the south, I rarely venture into abandoned farmhouses on private property without permission, last time I did, I was escorted off the land by 5 or 6 hunters with rifles, intimidating, but I was polite, told them why I was there, and received politeness in return. Tresspassing in and of itself is a minor offense, but you can go to jail for it. What LE will consider breaking and entering though, depends on the officer you are dealing with and what kind of mood he is in. Simply pushing aside a loose bit of plywood covering a door can be considered B&E, depending on your locality. Even taking an old key from a decrepit building is burglary or theft, keep that in mind. My other hobby is "urban exploring" and I know of many people simply wandering around abandoned factories, hospitals, etc. that have spent many hours in jail (and been severely bitten by police dogs, roughed up by cops, etc.) due to dealing with an officer or security guard that was having a bad day. The majority of times with a display of proper respect, and the possession of expensive looking camera equipment, yes, you will more than likely be told simply to leave the property, told to be careful, or if you find a nice security guard, taken on a tour. I don't mind taking that risk, because I enjoy going places very few people ever venture, but to take a model or a MUA into that situation is stupid, unless they know of the LE hassles and dangers beforehand, and agree to go anyway. Personally I would never take a model trespassing without talking to the owners of whatever location I am trying to access. I believe one person made a statement of some sort degrading those who seek permissions for locations...obviously you haven't spent any time in a jail cell. It ain't fun. Aug 20 06 08:39 pm Link Looks like the trespass-willing have something in common with these folks: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hea … 24873.html A late-night run could lead to a confrontation with police, a case of rotten bananas or a huge score. Aug 20 06 10:22 pm Link A photographer has got to do what a photographer's got to do. More power to you! Aug 20 06 10:26 pm Link Satan Bug wrote: The only group that might agree with that sentiment are photojournalists. I was a very proud member of that group for many years. Aug 21 06 12:14 am Link Captured Live wrote: No, its only trespassing if you get caught and cant schmooz your way out of the tkt/fine. Aug 21 06 12:22 am Link My daddy taught me that property boundaries were sacrosanct, and I carry on the tradition. In the city I arrange permission in advance of the shoot, in the country I check in at the nearest farmhouse. I have rarely been turned down, and on more than one occasion we got lunched, bar-b-qued, or beered, and one time I even got to shoot the farmer's daughter. (there's a joke in there somewhere.) Respect isn't always free, but it is usually profitable. Aug 21 06 12:44 am Link Captured Live wrote: Itâs only stealing if you get caught Aug 21 06 12:51 am Link About 12 or so years ago, a photographer in Atlanta took a model into an abandoned factory for a shoot. Apparently both thought it was exciting until a metal stairway collapsed with the model going up. She broke her leg. Guess who had to be sued to cover the medical bills? Aug 21 06 12:53 am Link |