Dr Molly Black wrote:
I don't know. I've noticed that some models don't give proper credit and the same with MUA/stylists. So it's just laziness is my guess. They don't want to look up the MM# to put in and make it official who worked on the images.

But really it's not right since it's only fair to share who took images of you that you thought were good enough to post on your portfolio.

-- Molly

That's exactly right. I've posted photos that appeared tempoprarily without credit while I had to look for the model's MM#. Others I've shot with aren't MM members. Unless I paid for exclusive rights, the model and I share rights to the photos and both our names appear in the copyright mark. If I pay a model, I get all rights and give her a free license to use the screen-res pics in her port. She does not have permission to print anything. If she paid me, the level of rights to the photos varies according to the fees paid. For TFCD shoots, I have an agreement to share non-transferrable rights to the photos for purposes self-promotion or exhibition. Any commercial use requires renegotiation.

Dax wrote:
they wont let the girl open her own eyes, cuz she will see the truth and get away.

ROTFLMFAO!

tripstar wrote:
Ever notice that everyone always assumes the negative instead of considering the positive? That's a little arrogant or pessimistic or a closed mind at work. There are a number of reasons why someone might not be credited. Not on the site, not wanting credit, or simply overlooked  (unintentionally). Mistakes happen, it isn't always a grand conspiracy. But what I see is everyone assuming it is a lazy photographer, or an unethical photographer, or possessive photographer, or a unprofessional photographer. Stop assuming the negative unless you know a situation. Learn the facts and take the high road... ask, learn, and then draw a conclusion.

What about the models that don't credit? Or who list images as under their copyright? Where's the uproar? Where's the angry mob with torches and pitchforks? Doh! Too cute to be nefarious and evil... Let's just burn down the photographer's house for dragging us out her in the rain.

Someone asked me why I didn't give credit to my models once. Which was surprising because I do, when appropriate. But I work with a lot of models not on MM and some not anywhere. So if you want to contact them you'll just have to ask me who they are. I'm not holding them hostage.

I agree it's not only photogs that do it, it's models as well, along with many others involved with this site. Give credit to where credit is due, unless an arrangement has been made stating otherwise.

~Tiffany C.

~Tiffany C.

Doug Sampson wrote:
I've run across several photographers port on MM and none of the models are given credit. I know some are not on MM but I know most are as I have found their profiles. Probably a few models may not want that info giving but I doubt it.

So why don't some photographers want to give the model the credit for the photo?

I ALWAYS give the model credit especially if it's a MM model.  I think it's wrong that models don't give photographers credit whether they liked the photographer or had what they felt was a bad experience or not.  I credit models I wouldn't reccommend to anyone or ever work with again.

Doug Sampson wrote:
So why don't some photographers want to give the model the credit for the photo?

I shot a vase the other day.  A damn pretty vase.   I spent a day and shot one sheet of film.  The vase will not get any credit for the picture because it didn't do a fuckin' thing to compose it, arrange the lighting, clean dust off itself, dull down that annoying little shine, lighten that upper contour, process the film, or make the final print.  About all the vase did was show up on time.  Lazy fuckin' vase. 

But, you can bet that vase is braggin' to all the other vases, that it was photographed by me.  I may not be much for models, but I shoot a mean vase.

That Look Photo wrote:
If a model has public profile for the world to see. It's a good guess she wants to find work from the people she has done shoots with. I can see not giving out a persons info if they are not looking to be a model but I think by not giving credit to a model that has an online port you are holding her or him back.

Mike

A model having a public profile is none of my responsibility or concern. Neither is the promotion thereof.

I'm not holding him/her back at all. But, I am not nor do I have to push him/her forward.
I have enough things to worry about myself.

Dave Krueger wrote:

I shot a vase the other day.  A damn pretty vase.   I spent a day and shot one sheet of film.  The vase will not get any credit for the picture because it didn't do a fuckin' thing to compose it, arrange the lighting, clean dust off itself, dull down that annoying little shine, lighten that upper contour, process the film, or make the final print.  About all the vase did was show up on time.  Lazy fuckin' vase. 

But, you can bet that vase is braggin' to all the other vases, that it was photographed by me.  I may not be much for models, but I shoot a mean vase.

Haha!

Can I have the name and e-mail address of the vase?
I am starting a new project next week and I think the vase would be great for my project.

Yuriy wrote:

That Look Photo wrote:
If a model has public profile for the world to see. It's a good guess she wants to find work from the people she has done shoots with. I can see not giving out a persons info if they are not looking to be a model but I think by not giving credit to a model that has an online port you are holding her or him back.

Mike

A model having a public profile is none of my responsibility or concern. Neither is the promotion thereof.

I'm not holding him/her back at all. But, I am not nor do I have to push him/her forward.
I have enough things to worry about myself.

With all due respect, Yuriy, I have to say that I find your attitude a bit appalling.. The last time I checked any shoot involving individuals is made or broken by the efforts put forth by all parties. You seem to come across as if the only reason the image is a success is because of you. If that's the case, please try shooting a model without the model. I'm thinking you're not going to be too successful.
And really, if you thought enough to work with that individual, or individuals in the case of MUA and or stylist, why not give credit? After all, it is a team effort. I mean, I bet in your quest to increase your photography business you're hoping to have a great deal of referrals. Well, what's the difference between a referral and giving credit for being apart of a team? How much business do you think you will get if nobody tells who took their images? I know most of my business is from word of mouth and not advertising in the traditional sense. Perhaps Jersey is different.

And anyway, your giving credit isn't going to help them get work, their talent will do that. Just consider the credit a referral. I know I love my referrals..

Keith aka Wolfie wrote:
With all due respect, Yuriy, I have to say that I find your attitude a bit appalling.. The last time I checked any shoot involving individuals is made or broken by the efforts put forth by all parties. You seem to come across as if the only reason the image is a success is because of you. If that's the case, please try shooting a model without the model. I'm thinking you're not going to be too successful.
And really, if you thought enough to work with that individual, or individuals in the case of MUA and or stylist, why not give credit? After all, it is a team effort. I mean, I bet in your quest to increase your photography business you're hoping to have a great deal of referrals. Well, what's the difference between a referral and giving credit for being apart of a team? How much business do you think you will get if nobody tells who took their images? I know most of my business is from word of mouth and not advertising in the traditional sense. Perhaps Jersey is different.

And anyway, your giving credit isn't going to help them get work, their talent will do that. Just consider the credit a referral. I know I love my referrals..

I appreciate your candor, and I am quite glad that you put it so tactfully.

I apologize if my responses were misunderstood. I do agree that referrals are very important to my business and the businesses of people I encounter. I do believe greatly in the referral system and will give referrals where referrals are due.
I have commercial portrait clients that will go to no one but me and recommend no one but me for commercial portraiture and I am very glad that is the case.
My main point is that I am in no way obligated to refer anyone to anybody just like no one is obligated to refer anyone to me. I work for my referrals and my business and unless I suddenly am hired to promote models (people here call those photographers sluggos I believe) I will take no responsibility for their marketing.
Just because a model stood in for my image does not mean I will go and market her to every photographer I meet.

I work hard to meet and exceed my client’s expectations, I ask for referrals, and I work especially hard for those referral clients so that it makes my referrer look good.

The models who work hard, market themselves well, and I enjoy working with I will recommend to colleagues without question.
But most importantly you must remember, any time I give someone a referral I put my name on the line. If I give someone a referral and they screw something up it will negatively impact my relationship with that person. As such, I am very careful over the referrals I give because my businesses relationships are more important to me than a model getting a job.

oldguysrule wrote:
i reference my earlier post.

Reference what you wish but remember that just because you disagree with someone’s business practices does not invalidate their use or practicality.
To assume such would be ignorant and involving more ego than any of my opinions listed thus far.

Michael Hall wrote:
As a professional, I'm a firm beliver in giving everyone credit.  Regardless if I have to or not.

If nothing but just out of professional coutesy.  Just personal preference for me.

MH

co-sign, anything else is an act of selfishness, period. Protecting 'the model' theory by not giving out her name is garbarge in my opinion, but hey, something has to be said to counteract the 'selfish' behavior...

-n

Yuriy wrote:

Reference what you wish but remember that just because you disagree with someone’s business practices does not invalidate their use or practicality.
To assume such would be ignorant and involving more ego than any of my opinions listed thus far.

Speaking of Ego

That's doubtful -you appear to have enough for 50 people.
I'm glad that not too many people on MM have your attitude about common courtesy.

Dan

Photos By Deej wrote:

I ALWAYS give the model credit especially if it's a MM model.  I think it's wrong that models don't give photographers credit whether they liked the photographer or had what they felt was a bad experience or not.  I credit models I wouldn't reccommend to anyone or ever work with again.

its not just wrong when i signed up on mm im absolutely certain that i had to agree to a thing that said you had to credit people youve worked with.  I try my best and i would give links if i could but the guy who did most of my work said he didnt want that because his main job is a wedding photographer and he doesnt do models that often and doesnt want people contacting him.  Which is fair eough but i still put his name down so that he does get the credit.  Sometimes its hard to give detailed credit but at the very least you should put their name down.