Dr Molly Black wrote:
So it's just laziness is my guess.

10 points.

Doug Sampson wrote:
Do you think it may be the photographer don't want others to photograph the model? (Photographers aren't jealous are we?)

I contacted one and was told he won't say who the model is or where she is from (not even the state) because...????

That happens, but usually those are the insecure pricks.. total losers LOL is funny... they wont let the girl open her own eyes, cuz she will see the truth and get away.

Nikki S. wrote:
I hate when I go to someone's port, model, photographer, whomever, and there is no credit for anyone!  Err, umm, what if I actually wanted to visit the photographer/model/stylists?  There's no link!

This reply is for most of the people herein.

A portfolio is not a sourcebook... It is not for advertising other peoples’ work. It is a collection of your work.
(Most models’ online portfolios contain watermarks for copyright protection for the artist; however their print portfolio should bear no visible marking (for the most part))

You are not, in any way, obligated to credit anyone unless you have made an arrangement to do so.
Personally, if a photographer or anyone contacted me to ask for the name of an MUA or stylist I'd give them the name, website, etc. I give people referrals to photographers who do things that I do not (such as weddings, children’s’ portraits, and model work which is outside of my scope).

Models names are kept confidential to everyone except art buyers (who get copies of model releases, etc) for their privacy.
If you don’t like it… Tough. That’s how I do business.
I’m more than sure that there are other photographers out there who share my views but don’t want to get pulled into an argument that has happened many times before.

Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
There are lots of  reasons - besides being lazy.

Most of my models aren't on MM, OMP or any public sites. The agencys they're with have their own sites and the only way anyone can book them is through the agency. Others are freelance and don't want to be bothered unless it's with established clients.

But if they are here or on any public site - they are credited.

He did mentioned... BESIDES those girls who are NOT on the site..

Yuriy wrote:

This reply is for most of the people herein.

A portfolio is not a sourcebook... It is not for advertising other peoples’ work. It is a collection of your work.
(Most models’ online portfolios contain watermarks for copyright protection for the artist; however their print portfolio should bear no visible marking (for the most part))

You are not, in any way, obligated to credit anyone unless you have made an arrangement to do so.
Personally, if a photographer or anyone contacted me to ask for the name of an MUA or stylist I'd give them the name, website, etc. I give people referrals to photographers who do things that I do not (such as weddings, children’s’ portraits, and model work which is outside of my scope).

Models names are kept confidential to everyone except art buyers (who get copies of model releases, etc) for their privacy.
If you don’t like it… Tough. That’s how I do business.
I’m more than sure that there are other photographers out there who share my views but don’t want to get pulled into an argument that has happened many times before.

I'm not saying anyone is obligated I just wonder what the big secret is with some photograpers about the models they shoot. If I see a model I would be interested in providing work for, I would just like to contact her about it.

Doug Sampson wrote:
I'm not saying anyone is obligated I just wonder what the big secret is with some photograpers about the models they shoot. If I see a model I would be interested in providing work for, I would just like to contact her about it.

I understand, but as an ethical business-person I'm sure you know that in this industry there is a certain degree of privacy when dealing with models.

Also, some people are just very cautious about releasing any information due to the liability they gain if they release someone’s information.

Yuriy wrote:

I understand, but as an ethical business-person I'm sure you know that in this industry there is a certain degree of privacy when dealing with models.

Also, some people are just very cautious about releasing any information due to the liability they gain if they release someone’s information.

Right, but if a model is on MM then they're not exactly shy about wanting to have their portfolio shared. That's the whole point of this thing called networking. If a model or make up artist or stylist works with you and they're on MM that means they generally WANT more people to know about their work, not have it hidden. Otherwise, what you write makes perfect sense.

Doug Sampson wrote:
So why don't some photographers want to give the model the credit for the photo?

Because they often just stand there not really doing anything.  Why should they get credit for it?  I'm doing all the hard work.

Yuriy wrote:

This reply is for most of the people herein.

A portfolio is not a sourcebook... It is not for advertising other peoples’ work. It is a collection of your work.
(Most models’ online portfolios contain watermarks for copyright protection for the artist; however their print portfolio should bear no visible marking (for the most part))

You are not, in any way, obligated to credit anyone unless you have made an arrangement to do so.
Personally, if a photographer or anyone contacted me to ask for the name of an MUA or stylist I'd give them the name, website, etc. I give people referrals to photographers who do things that I do not (such as weddings, children’s’ portraits, and model work which is outside of my scope).

Models names are kept confidential to everyone except art buyers (who get copies of model releases, etc) for their privacy.
If you don’t like it… Tough. That’s how I do business.
I’m more than sure that there are other photographers out there who share my views but don’t want to get pulled into an argument that has happened many times before.

I thought it was a rule here to credit people? Am I mistaken, might be another model site that has that rule.  I think it just lazyness and unprofessional for the most part.
On the other hand if I paid the model, then I see no reason to credit someone that has been paid credit?  What goes around comes around, when I take images TFP and a model uses them in her port and doesnt promote my work, I 1: dont recomend her for future projects due her unprofessionalty and 2: remind her of the contract they signed too promote my work.

Doug Sampson wrote:
Do you think it may be the photographer don't want others to photograph the model? (Photographers aren't jealous are we?)

I contacted one and was told he won't say who the model is or where she is from (not even the state) because...????

My feelings exactly. Some photographers want to keep models for themselves, or they hope another photographer don't show up their work by doing a better job witih the models. It's really silly. I always list credits to models who are here on MM. I know I have even introduced models who I shot with, to MM. Once they sign up, I link their images to their profiles. Look on my profile page, I have a couple there now, with their MM #'s posted. I shares my models.

Arobeck wrote:
I thought it was a rule here to credit people? Am I mistaken, might be another model site that has that rule.  I think it just lazyness and unprofessional for the most part.
On the other hand if I paid the model, then I see no reason to credit someone that has been paid credit?  What goes around comes around, when I take images TFP and a model uses them in her port and doesnt promote my work, I 1: dont recomend her for future projects due her unprofessionalty and 2: remind her of the contract they signed too promote my work.

That's another story.

Dr Molly Black wrote:
I don't know. I've noticed that some models don't give proper credit and the same with MUA/stylists. So it's just laziness is my guess. They don't want to look up the MM# to put in and make it official who worked on the images.

But really it's not right since it's only fair to share who took images of you that you thought were good enough to post on your portfolio.

-- Molly

I completely agree, most do it because they're being flat-out lazy! I won't even post a pic without crediting it. It's as simple as copy&paste people ;-)

xoxo, Tiff

Doug Sampson wrote:
Do you think it may be the photographer don't want others to photograph the model? (Photographers aren't jealous are we?)

I contacted one and was told he won't say who the model is or where she is from (not even the state) because...????

I think what you will find is that new photographers tend to do that more then photographers that have been around for a while. I have asked a few about that issue and they feel the next guy will shoot  " there " model and the model will like the next photographers  work better. It's about being insecure when you are new I think. Also just maybe the photographer may not have had a good shoot with a certain model and does not want the news to get around if people start talking..

Just my 2 cents...

Mike

tripstar wrote:
Ever notice that everyone always assumes the negative instead of considering the positive? That's a little arrogant or pessimistic or a closed mind at work. There are a number of reasons why someone might not be credited. Not on the site, not wanting credit, or simply overlooked  (unintentionally). Mistakes happen, it isn't always a grand conspiracy. But what I see is everyone assuming it is a lazy photographer, or an unethical photographer, or possessive photographer, or a unprofessional photographer. Stop assuming the negative unless you know a situation. Learn the facts and take the high road... ask, learn, and then draw a conclusion.

What about the models that don't credit? Or who list images as under their copyright? Where's the uproar? Where's the angry mob with torches and pitchforks? Doh! Too cute to be nefarious and evil... Let's just burn down the photographer's house for dragging us out her in the rain.

Someone asked me why I didn't give credit to my models once. Which was surprising because I do, when appropriate. But I work with a lot of models not on MM and some not anywhere. So if you want to contact them you'll just have to ask me who they are. I'm not holding them hostage.

I have to agree with this guy from my home town.
I have several models in my port. Some are MMers and I've put links to their profiles. Others are not. In fact, most of the models I've worked with are not on MM. One "model" was an old girlfriend who was only interested in modelling for me. Another was a model who has retired and has asked not to have her name/contact info posted.

It does kind of get me, however, when you post a link to the profile of a model you worked with, and they have the same image in theirs, but without a link back to yours.

Yuriy wrote:

I understand, but as an ethical business-person I'm sure you know that in this industry there is a certain degree of privacy when dealing with models.

Also, some people are just very cautious about releasing any information due to the liability they gain if they release someone’s information.

If a model has public profile for the world to see. It's a good guess she wants to find work from the people she has done shoots with. I can see not giving out a persons info if they are not looking to be a model but I think by not giving credit to a model that has an online port you are holding her or him back.

Mike